General (Non-Wiz) Draft Discussion

[LyricalRico]

Rubio has that superstar hall of fame patantial soo

Rubio + DStevanson + DSongalia
for
Mike Miller right to Curry 5th & Blair1 8th

Minny gets a guy that will be there Franchise PG for years and he will bring alot of money with spains fans base like Yao has with China PGs like Rubio dont come around like that ... Minny could use that extra money in theses hard times .... so i think they would give up the 5th and 18th and millers expiring

Very interesting. If Minny really covets Rubio, I would actually change/expand it to this:

Wizards trade: Etan, Stevenson, Blatche, Young, and rights to Rubio
Wolves trade: Miller, Love, and rights to Curry

Haywood/Love/McGee
Jamison/Songaila
Butler/McGuire
Miller/Curry
Arenas/James/Critt

Not the most athletic frontcourt in the short-term but once McGee is ready to be a full-time backup C we can slide Love down to PF and move Songaila.

[nate33]

I just don't see a spot for Love on this roster - at least not while Haywood is getting most of the minutes at center. A Love/McGee combo might be interesting, but I don't expect McGee to be a starter for several years.

If we're going to trade for a young big on a rookie contract, I'd much rather follow Fishercob's suggestion and go after Speights.

[DCZards]

Evans has the potential to be a star. RIght now he's a ball-dominant shooting guard with a suspect outside shot. I'd prefer the next Dell Curry over the next Larry Hughes. I also don't consider it a certainty that Curry's maximum upside is lower than Evans' maximum upside. If Curry does indeed grow to be a legit 6-4 in bare feet, then he could be the next Ray Allen. Evans would have to become the next Dwyane Wade to eclipse that.

For the record, I'm not yet saying that I like Curry over Evans. But I'm not, NOT saying that either. I would like to wait and see some measurements and hear a little more about Evans' background first.

Not sure what you need to know about Evans' background, but I can tell you that he's from Chester, PA, a hardscrabble, working-class town about 20 minutes south of Philly. (Jameer Nelson is also from Chester.) I also know that Tyreke was apparently mentored/guided by 2-3 older brothers...somewhat like Derrick Rose was guided by his older brother.

As for taking Dell Curry over Larry Hughes...I don't know. Dell was a great shooter, but pretty one-dimensional. A "healthy" Hughes is a better penetrator, passer and defender than the elder Curry. Personally, I'd give LH the edge.

Yes, Evans was a ball-dominant player at Memphis, but that's not all that unusual for the best player on his college team. Sometimes that's what's best for the team and is also what the coach wants. But, it doesn't mean that the player can't be very different at the next level.

Yes, Evans has a "suspect" outside shot but so did a certain MJ when he left UNC. Not that I'm comparing Evans to MJ, just making the point that it's far too early to tell what kind of shooter Evans will turn out to be.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If you're drafting upside you take Evans over Curry. Curry is a nice player and will likely have an outstanding career as a dead-eye shooter....a lot like his dad. He already has a better handle than his dad and will be a better penetrator and passer.

Evans will be a star. He has the size and length to eventually be an impact player at either PG or SG. And might even be able to play some SF. I like Evans' physical make-up and toughness...which you can't teach. His shooting and ability to play PG will come around.

Curry is appealing but I doubt that he gets drafted ahead of Evans.

DCZards, I can't argue with one word of your first two paragraphs, until the last sentence. (Great analysis, BTW).

I think Evans is a scorer. Not a shooter. I don't think he's got PG skills per se. Too many turnovers, not enough assists. I do think he'll be a star. And if you're right about his shooting and PG ablity coming around then that dude will be a superstar. Could happen. I think not likely, not right away. But then again I had NO IDEA how good Derrick Rose would be! Evans could be a monster, too. So, your argument has given me food for thought, DCZards.

You're likely right that Evans gets drafted ahead of Curry.

However, I would draft Curry over Evans for the Wizards because I truly believe Curry has NBA starter PG skills. Mocks have compared him to Mike Bibby. I see him as a taller Bibby. Steph's way better than his dad, who we both agree had a long, successful career. I like that this kid's mom is a school principal and his dad knows what it takes to have a success career and make wise choices off the court. This kid Evans is a stud athlete, but I'm not as sure he'll mature properly. The Wizards already have Crittenton and Young and McGuire who are all vying for SG minutes and who are essentially slashers.

I draft Curry because he's a pure shooter and definitely has PG skills.

(And I hope Evans doesn't do a Derrick Rose if I pass on him).

[nate33]

Evans has the potential to be a star. RIght now he's a ball-dominant shooting guard with a suspect outside shot. I'd prefer the next Dell Curry over the next Larry Hughes. I also don't consider it a certainty that Curry's maximum upside is lower than Evans' maximum upside. If Curry does indeed grow to be a legit 6-4 in bare feet, then he could be the next Ray Allen. Evans would have to become the next Dwyane Wade to eclipse that.

For the record, I'm not yet saying that I like Curry over Evans. But I'm not, NOT saying that either. I would like to wait and see some measurements and hear a little more about Evans' background first.

Not sure what you need to know about Evans' background, but I can tell you that he's from Chester, PA, a hardscrabble, working-class town about 20 minutes south of Philly. (Jameer Nelson is also from Chester.) I also know that Tyreke was apparently mentored/guided by 2-3 older brothers...somewhat like Derrick Rose was guided by his older brother.

I have a general, and surely uninformed impression that the players out of Memphis' program are a bunch of thugs. Obviously, you can't paint an entire program with such a broad brush and I haven't yet taken the time to investigate more thoroughly. How did Evan's do in school? How about high school? Did he get into trouble with the law at all as a kid? Did he have any formulative event that happened in his childhood where he hit "rock bottom" and had to pick himself back up (a la Caron Butler or Juan Dixon). Does he have a history of being lazy or is he a student of the game? Was his father around when he grew up? Was he a top prospect in the AAU programs as a 13-year-old, or was he more of a late bloomer?

These are the kinds of things I'd like to investigate before choosing between Curry and Evans. We already know a lot about Curry's background. We know he has a strong family with an extensive understanding of the NBA game. We know he was sorely tempted to stay in school to graduate and he plans to get his degree later. We know Curry was underrated and never considered a viable NBA prospect when he was 5-11 senior in high school and a 6-1 freshman in college. That builds humility and character. Going by background alone, Curry is a dream candidate. We also have a 3-year track record of his performance in college.

[closg00]

I wonder if this will scare Ernie-off if we get second.

Spanish newspaper “Marca” broke the not very surprising news yesterday that Ricky Rubio will be entering his name in this year’s draft. Rubio’s buyout situation—he has two years left on his contract, and will need to pay 6 million dollars to free himself—remains unresolved, though, meaning still needs to reach an agreement with his team, DKV Joventut, if he’s to play in the NBA next year.

Unfortunately for Rubio, Joventut continues to insist, this time via a notice on their official website, that they are not planning on compromising anytime soon, stating that Rubio will have to pay his buyout in full if he plans on leaving for the NBA. They do appear willing to settle for a smaller buyout in 2010, though, if Rubio and his camp are willing to wait that long.

Anyone for Greivis Vasquez in the second if we get Grif? Vasquez was really poised during the WC games. Vasquez could always play in Spain/Europe

According to sources, Greivis Vasquez will officially announce he’s entering his name in the NBA draft tomorrow, but will keep his eligibility intact for now by not signing with an agent.

[DCZards]

DCZards, I can't argue with one word of your first two paragraphs, until the last sentence. (Great analysis, BTW).

I think Evans is a scorer. Not a shooter. I don't think he's got PG skills per se. Too many turnovers, not enough assists. I do think he'll be a star. And if you're right about his shooting and PG ablity coming around then that dude will be a superstar. Could happen. I think not likely, not right away. But then again I had NO IDEA how good Derrick Rose would be! Evans could be a monster, too. So, your argument has given me food for thought, DCZards.

You're likely right that Evans gets drafted ahead of Curry.

However, I would draft Curry over Evans for the Wizards because I truly believe Curry has NBA starter PG skills. Mocks have compared him to Mike Bibby. I see him as a taller Bibby. Steph's way better than his dad, who we both agree had a long, successful career. I like that this kid's mom is a school principal and his dad knows what it takes to have a success career and make wise choices off the court. This kid Evans is a stud athlete, but I'm not as sure he'll mature properly. The Wizards already have Crittenton and Young and McGuire who are all vying for SG minutes and who are essentially slashers.

I draft Curry because he's a pure shooter and definitely has PG skills.

(And I hope Evans doesn't do a Derrick Rose if I pass on him).

Hey CCJ, if you're talking PG you're right to give the edge to Curry over Evans. It's hard to tell for sure whether or not Evans can play PG at the pro level since he was really a SG coming out of high school and only started playing PG about halfway through his freshman yeat at Memphis. I wouldn't put either Evans or Curry in Rose's class...as far as PG skills are concerned.

However, I really like the diversity of skills that Evans has only started to develop. As you say, Steph will be the better shooter, but I expect Evans to be the better scorer.

Snce he has yet to play a second of NBA ball, the verdit is still out on whether Steph is "way better" than his dad. I don't know how much you remember Dell, but the dude was pretty good...at least as a pure shooter.

Not sure what you mean regarding Evans and if he'll "mature properly." Yes, Curry has the good fortune to have come from what seems like a pretty stable background with two professional parents, but I wouldn't take that to mean Steph is now--or will be in the future--more mature than Evans.

If the Wizards do draft Evans, I don't see him "vying" for minuites with Critt, Nick or McGuire for long. Critt is a PG, McGuire is really better-suited to play SF, and Nick, at least right now, is not very consistent.

[DCZards]

I have a general, and surely uninformed impression that the players out of Memphis' program are a bunch of thugs. Obviously, you can't paint an entire program with such a broad brush and I haven't yet taken the time to investigate more thoroughly. How did Evan's do in school? How about high school? Did he get into trouble with the law at all as a kid? Did he have any formulative event that happened in his childhood where he hit "rock bottom" and had to pick himself back up (a la Caron Butler or Juan Dixon). Does he have a history of being lazy or is he a student of the game? Was his father around when he grew up? Was he a top prospect in the AAU programs as a 13-year-old, or was he more of a late bloomer?

These are the kinds of things I'd like to investigate before choosing between Curry and Evans. We already know a lot about Curry's background. We know he has a strong family with an extensive understanding of the NBA game. We know he was sorely tempted to stay in school to graduate and he plans to get his degree later. We know Curry was underrated and never considered a viable NBA prospect when he was 5-11 senior in high school and a 6-1 freshman in college. That builds humility and character. Going by background alone, Curry is a dream candidate. We also have a 3-year track record of his performance in college.

C'mon nate. Who do you know out of the Memphis program that's a thug? Penny Hardaway, Derrick Rose, Lorenzo Wright, Douglas-Roberts, Elliot Perry, Keith Lee, William Bedford? Yes, you probably do need to do more "investigation" before making a comment like that.

The questions you want answered about Evans' background could tell you a lot...or they could tell you nothing. If, unlike Curry, Evans father was not around when he grew up is that a good or bad thing? Does it detract from Evans character or does it make his character even stronger...and Evans even more determined to succeed?

I take nothing away from Curry, but the fact is he's been in the "spotlight" both because he's an excellent player and because his dad is a former NBA player. But do we really know that he's from a "strong" family? Are his mom and dad even still together? I don't know. Maybe you do.

Believe me, I hate to go down this road, but let's not put Curry and his background on a pedestal when all we have to go on is what we "believe" the situation to be.

[nate33]

I have a general, and surely uninformed impression that the players out of Memphis' program are a bunch of thugs. Obviously, you can't paint an entire program with such a broad brush and I haven't yet taken the time to investigate more thoroughly. How did Evan's do in school? How about high school? Did he get into trouble with the law at all as a kid? Did he have any formulative event that happened in his childhood where he hit "rock bottom" and had to pick himself back up (a la Caron Butler or Juan Dixon). Does he have a history of being lazy or is he a student of the game? Was his father around when he grew up? Was he a top prospect in the AAU programs as a 13-year-old, or was he more of a late bloomer?

These are the kinds of things I'd like to investigate before choosing between Curry and Evans. We already know a lot about Curry's background. We know he has a strong family with an extensive understanding of the NBA game. We know he was sorely tempted to stay in school to graduate and he plans to get his degree later. We know Curry was underrated and never considered a viable NBA prospect when he was 5-11 senior in high school and a 6-1 freshman in college. That builds humility and character. Going by background alone, Curry is a dream candidate. We also have a 3-year track record of his performance in college.

C'mon nate. Who do you know out of the Memphis program that's a thug? Penny Hardaway, Derrick Rose, Lorenzo Wright, Douglas-Roberts, Elliot Perry, Keith Lee, William Bedford? Yes, you probably do need to do more "investigation" before making a stereotypical comment like that.

And all of the questions you want answered about Evans' background could tell you a lot...or they could tell you nothing. If, unlike Curry, Evans father was not around when he grew up is that good or bad thing? Does it detract from his character or does it make it even stronger?

I take nothing away from Curry, but the fact is he's been in the "spotlight" both because he's an excellent player and because his dad is a former NBA player. And do we really know that he's from a "strong" family? Are his mom and dad even still together? I don't know. Maybe you do.

Believe me, I hate to go down this road, but let's not put Curry and his background on a pedestal when all we have to go on is what we "believe" the situation to be.

Relax, DCZards. What part of "surely uninformed" did you not understand? I do indeed have a stereotype impression of Tyreke Evans born out of ignorance. At least I readily admit it. I also said that I need to know more before I make an evaluation.

All I'm saying is that Evans is much more of an unknown because he is younger and hasn't been in the spotlight as long. We have a fairly long track record of Curry and we know about as much as one can possibly expect to know about the nature of his character and work ethic, and it looks pretty darn good.

I'm sure a lot more can be known about Evans if we dig a bit deeper. That's what the draft process is all about. I'll wait for more intrepid reporters and draft experts to dig deeper into his background. This is the kind of information that ultimately helps teams finalize their draft board order.

[Ruzious]

Anyone for Greivis Vasquez in the second if we get Grif? Vasquez was really poised during the WC games. Vasquez could always play in Spain/Europe

According to sources, Greivis Vasquez will officially announce he’s entering his name in the NBA draft tomorrow, but will keep his eligibility intact for now by not signing with an agent.

He'd be foolish to stay in the draft if he's going to be a 2nd rounder.

[nate33]

FWIW, Evans was involved in a shooting incident. Evans was driving a Ford Expedition when his cousin Jamar Evans, sitting in the passenger seat, shot and killed Marcus Reason. Tyreke, Jamar, and a third passenger, Dwayne Davis say that it was self defense because Reason shot first. Police haven't found evidence that Reason fired a gun.

No charges were filed against Tyreke Evans and the general impression is that Tyreke Evans was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Jamar Evans turned himself in and will be charged with murder. He will claim self defense.

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[DCZards]

Relax, DCZards. What part of "surely uninformed" did you not understand? I do indeed have a stereotype impression of Tyreke Evans born out of ignorance. At least I readily admit it. I also said that I need to know more before I make an evaluation.

Ok, ok I'll relax. But, please, let's not throw around the label "thugs" without having some evidence to back it up with.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I have a general, and surely uninformed impression that the players out of Memphis' program are a bunch of thugs. Obviously, you can't paint an entire program with such a broad brush and I haven't yet taken the time to investigate more thoroughly. How did Evan's do in school? How about high school? Did he get into trouble with the law at all as a kid? Did he have any formulative event that happened in his childhood where he hit "rock bottom" and had to pick himself back up (a la Caron Butler or Juan Dixon). Does he have a history of being lazy or is he a student of the game? Was his father around when he grew up? Was he a top prospect in the AAU programs as a 13-year-old, or was he more of a late bloomer?

These are the kinds of things I'd like to investigate before choosing between Curry and Evans. We already know a lot about Curry's background. We know he has a strong family with an extensive understanding of the NBA game. We know he was sorely tempted to stay in school to graduate and he plans to get his degree later. We know Curry was underrated and never considered a viable NBA prospect when he was 5-11 senior in high school and a 6-1 freshman in college. That builds humility and character. Going by background alone, Curry is a dream candidate. We also have a 3-year track record of his performance in college.

First of all, I love your candor, nate.

My mom and dad were born in Memphis. I have two sisters in Memphis. A nephew of mine went to school with Penny Hardaway and my sister knows his family. Good thing my Big Sis didn't read this! She is a die-hard Memphis Tiger fan. Also, she's an old school thug who packs heat! Hey, I just made nate's point ...

But seriously, Big Sis is very proud of the graduation record Calipari had at Memphis. She's mentioned to me that the Memphis kids are serious, hard-working, student athletes who graduate. She hates the media characterization of the players at that school.

Guys like Lee and Bedford really gave Memphis a bad rep. However, they are from a different era.

I can say Memphis does have some rough areas. A lot of kids do fall victims to the mean streets there. However, I think you run into having the same issues Gary Williams has with recruiting the DC Area kids if you characterize Memphis kids as thugs.

Tyreke Evans could be a better kid than Steph Curry or Gerald Henderson in the long run. I'd discriminate in their favor ONLY BECAUSE their pops were NBA players and I know their recent track records, and not because of them going to Davidson or Duke vs Memphis.

Some other programs had bad reps in the past: Georgetown in the 80s and Cinncinati in the 90s under Huggins. In both cases they produced some good NBA players. So will Memphis.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

FWIW, Evans was involved in a shooting incident. Evans was driving a Ford Expedition when his cousin Jamar Evans, sitting in the passenger seat, shot and killed Marcus Reason. Tyreke, Jamar, and a third passenger, Dwayne Davis say that it was self defense because Reason shot first. Police haven't found evidence that Reason fired a gun.

No charges were filed against Tyreke Evans and the general impression is that Tyreke Evans was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Jamar Evans turned himself in and will be charged with murder. He will claim self defense.

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After reading that, all I have to say is ... Steph Curry, DCZards. (But honestly, I know why you might really need to have a gun in some parts of Memphis and I'm thinking the passengers could be telling the truth).

I have character concerns about Tywon Lawson. Had a DUI. And during the NCAAs, was foolish enough to mention to media that for relaxation he'd won some money gambling back at UNC. Just what a gambler needs, NBA lottery money. Yeah, right.

Lawson will be a darned good pro, but I'd pick Curry over him, too.

[DCZards]

FWIW, Evans was involved in a shooting incident. Evans was driving a Ford Expedition when his cousin Jamar Evans, sitting in the passenger seat, shot and killed Marcus Reason. Tyreke, Jamar, and a third passenger, Dwayne Davis say that it was self defense because Reason shot first. Police haven't found evidence that Reason fired a gun.

No charges were filed against Tyreke Evans and the general impression is that Tyreke Evans was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Jamar Evans turned himself in and will be charged with murder. He will claim self defense.

Thanks, nate. I read the article. Let's hope it was a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

After both reading the article and seeing how broad-shouldered and muscular Evans looked even as a high school player, I'm even higher on him as a pro prospect.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Hey CCJ, if you're talking PG you're right to give the edge to Curry over Evans. It's hard to tell for sure whether or not Evans can play PG at the pro level since he was really a SG coming out of high school and only started playing PG about halfway through his freshman yeat at Memphis. I wouldn't put either Evans or Curry in Rose's class...as far as PG skills are concerned.

However, I really like the diversity of skills that Evans has only started to develop. As you say, Steph will be the better shooter, but I expect Evans to be the better scorer.

Snce he has yet to play a second of NBA ball, the verdit is still out on whether Steph is "way better" than his dad. I don't know how much you remember Dell, but the dude was pretty good...at least as a pure shooter.

Not sure what you mean regarding Evans and if he'll "mature properly." Yes, Curry has the good fortune to have come from what seems like a pretty stable background with two professional parents, but I wouldn't take that to mean Steph is now--or will be in the future--more mature than Evans.

If the Wizards do draft Evans, I don't see him "vying" for minuites with Critt, Nick or McGuire for long. Critt is a PG, McGuire is really better-suited to play SF, and Nick, at least right now, is not very consistent.

I remember Dell Curry well. Best Va Tech Hokie IMO out of him, former Terp-transfer Wally Lancaster, and Bimbo Coles. Very smooth shooter who could also slash and score. Had some good years with the Hornets.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... yde01.html

Know what, DCZards? Dell Curry's long career was far more productive than what my original statement gave credit. I didn't realize he scored in double figures for that many seasons. To average 11.7 over your career, having played (only) 21 mins/game is darned good. Also, Curry retired shooting over 40% from three. Amazing what a look at the actual stats reveals...More than jars the memory, it corrects.

Steph will be a good player just to match his dads career! Wow.

Why I said Steph's way better is to me he's got a far superior handle, much better passing skills, and better lateral quicks. His dad was bigger and stronger, but I'm thinking Steph ends up the same size. Just guessing I think when all is said and done Stephen has an even better career than dad.

As far as Evans maturing, I really said that with the current Wizards young guys in mind. Blatche, Young, McGee have set the bar low on maturity in the lockerroom. If anything, the Wizards want to avoid anybody that can't handle themselves with professionalism from day one. We've said enough about Evans, but that was where I was coming from.

[doclinkin]

Yeah I watched a feature on Evans and his bros who call themselves "Team Tyreke".

3-4 brothers have essentially managed his entire life after seeing him make a bucket from the free throw line at age 4. One older bro would do things like duct tape his right arm and force him to dribble lefty all day. When thugs would try to draw him in another direction get him to bang or sling they'd step in and talk to the top thug saying, 'nah man we're trying to do it different with him'.

The brothers claim not to be in it for the profit. Though one of them, his full time job has been essentially acting as an athletic consultant in developing ball skills-- with Tyreke as his primary client.

On the slaying, Tyreke was driving after a party when his cousin started shooting out the side window over some beef with rivals. If I recall scuttlebutt correctly the kid shot may not have even been the intended target. But I'm not sure on that point. What strains credibility is to think TE had no idea the cousin was thugged up or whatnot. You got to know the family came down heavy on the cousin and told him to take the whole blame for the entire deal. Tyreke was going someplace, and well so was the cousin, only in a different direction.

Here's where I am about Tyke. No knock on the brothers or family situation or any of that. Reserving judgment since there's all hella talented kids who get dragged in the wrong direction, he didn't, and sometimes it takes a team of shaolin monks to teach you all the skills you'll need to be the world class asskicking vigilante superhero or whatnot. I guess my impression of Tyreke was that he seemed almost unformed as a person, a bit naive maybe. Hey he was an 18 yr old kid in the video. He was unformed. But I would expect there's a fair amount of personal learning that will have to go on once his bros are no longer running his life outside of class. Or even if they are still trying. A bit of college may have helped, but multiple millions of dollars might complicate things.

Dunno. Still, right if the athletics etc were equal you'd probably go with the kid who was raised in and around the game. Learned to dribble from Muggsy Bogues. Etc. More than the kid who risked getting caught up in a conspiracy murder bid.

[DCZards]

Dunno. Still, right if the athletics etc were equal you'd probably go with the kid who was raised in and around the game. Learned to dribble from Muggsy Bogues. Etc. More than the kid who risked getting caught up in a conspiracy murder bid.

If we're talking basketball and upside, I'm taking Evans. Imo, he's bigger, more talented...and lord knows the Zards could use a little more tough juice.

[yungal07]

My problem with Evans is that he plays too much like Jamal Crawford. That's a big negative. We need a guy who can operate off the ball, shoot, and can handle the ball a bit....Rudy Fernandez really does come to mind. Tyreke has a ton of talent but he doesn't fit on the Wiz.

[doclinkin]

Dunno. Still, right if the athletics etc were equal you'd probably go with the kid who was raised in and around the game. Learned to dribble from Muggsy Bogues. Etc. More than the kid who risked getting caught up in a conspiracy murder bid.

If we're talking basketball and upside, I'm taking Evans. Imo, he's bigger, more talented...and lord knows the Zards could use a little more tough juice.

Bigger, more athletic. But the point I'm harping on is that IQ, vision, judgment, 'game', clutch mindset, outside shooting, shot selection, etc are as much a part of talent as everything else.

Otherwise Nick Young would have been the ROY. Or JaVale. Or, hey, look back to the Wiz last high draft pick. This team needs an infusion of game smarts. We have a ton of raw athletes, but few enough crafty cunning smart players who know the team game inside and out.

Is Evans more 'talented' than Steve Nash? More 'talented' than Mark Price, or John Stockton, or MIke Bibby or --pick a floorbound scoring PG. Maybe. If you say so. I see the 25% 3pt shooting from college range, 3 point whatever assists (despite 3 other double digit scorers) and the worst Pure Passer Rating of any PG in the draft -- all on top of a nice set of flashy individual skills: nice hesitation dribble, decent crossover, strong, good ups. Nice highlight package, looks good in slow-mo with a beat behind it.

I'm just saying, we got a ton of 'talent' and 'potential', now can we get some clutch shooting smart straight up ballers? And grown-ups? Nobody who needs babysitting by a posse of their brothers in order to figure out what they're supposed to be doing.