Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[Tomjas]

Don't get the sudden dislike over Harris. Is he worth the max? No, but that's free agency. Players get overpaid, it is what it is. Our cap situation is gonna be jacked up going forward anyway, so overpaying him really isn't an issue for us. Cap flexibility is not going to be part of our future. With or without Butler and Harris. So might as well keep them.

Harris is a good player, he isn't great, but he's good and is probably the best type of player we can attract.

People around here are acting a bit too entitled and cocky lately IMO. Like a mediocre looking guy heading to a bar and going home with no one because you're trying to hit on only 10/10's because 7/10's aren't good enough for you. That's a good way to never meet someone.

The Sixers are not going to attract the elite free agents. So you better become comfortable with the 7/10's really quick, because unlike the real world where there's plenty of fish in the sea, the NBA has a limit. And when the 10/10's go elsewhere and you pass on the 7/10's because they aren't good enough for you, you're either gonna go home empty-handed entirely, or will be in panic mode and forced to settle on the player equivalent of girls who only look good when you're piss drunk.

So it's probably Harris or overpaying for mediocre bench guys who will be forced into starting roles. Good luck with that if you want to win a championship, which is all I care about. Getting to the 2nd round means nothing to me, getting to the ECF means nothing. Getting to the NBA Finals means nothing. Winning the Finals is it. I want a parade, bottom line. All this talk about "diverting resources" to guys like Brogdon or Terrence Ross or trading for Tucker from the Rockets... please. Do you want to build the all great bargain team or are you trying to win championships? Let me know how forcing role players into primary roles against elite playoff teams works out next summer, while we have Ben Simmons still afraid to shoot jumpers.

Just run it the F back and stop overthinking this, people. Who knows how many years Embiid has in those legs anyway, can't really think long-term.

As far as I can tell, the only 10/10 guy who’s available and fit is Kawhi & he’s a long shot at best

[Arsenal]

We're really lamenting over the Harris trade, however it's the Butler trade that I still don't quite understand. I know we got him for a discount, but I'm currently looking at the Rockets situation thinking they'd be committing to another fit nightmare. At no point in time did I think Butler and Simmons would be able to coexist on the court together in a way that would maximize their game.

We don't do that trade, we still have Covington which lessens the need for Harris, so likely don't do that one. Maybe we look for another player, preferably a guard, via trade, maybe not. We likely don't get as far in the playoffs, maybe Brett Brown gets fired (which could have honestly been the correct move), and we could be talking about signing D'Angelo Russell to fill out the rest of this team this offseason. Instead we're considering maxing out a guy who doesn't fit and will be 34 at the end of his massive contract and a 2nd tier star that shouldn't be maxed. It's a bit frustrating to watch, tbh.

I think a big reason they made those trades was because they got spooked after coming up empty last offseason.

Right, and perhaps there wasn't the foresight or the production to warrant it, but we'd be looking at Russell, Brogdon, Middleton, hell, even Tobias Harris as potential max players right now to add to Simmons, Embiid, Covington. It wouldn't be the "all or nothing" for LeBron or Paul George (and we could have even thrown a hail mary to Kawhi). There are options, especially for a team that is in desperate need for a scorer from the perimeter, but we panicked and rushed it.

I completely understand why they did it, but I didn't think, nor do I think it was the right move.

They did it because they panicked, and/or got impatient.

There was no reason we couldn't have taken one more shot at free agency this summer w/all our assets and undervalued contracts still in our pocket. Then assuming we struck out again, we could have looked to make trades for stars after that.

RUSH THE PROCESS

[Arsenal]

I don't know how else to get this across - the problem we're talking about is the failure to attract free agents presuming Harris and Butler walk. So that $47 million isn't getting you anything. So we'd be sitting on Embiid, Simmons, Cov and a bunch of ok assets.

If you can't attract OR KEEP stars, then you'd be incredibly stupid to burn assets for 2 rentals because you know they're going to walk for nothing (because they want to be elsewhere).

Instead you'd keep your assets, draft wisely, build for the long term, and use the cap room to find undervalued bargains for depth.

Yes, I'm sure this regime would have had no issue drafting wisely and using the cap room to find undervalued bargains. And we'd be chock full of depth, which would do us no good when we only have one playoff star on the roster.

Yeah I can hear the sarcasm dripping from your keyboard. But a team just beat us and won the title with just 1 superstar, 1 quasi-star, and a lot of depth. We already have the same with 1 superstar, and 1 quasi-star in Embiid and Simmons.

And again, there is no excuse for burning assets on rentals when you feel you can't attract/keep guys anyway. That necessarily means you have to use a different approach.

[the_process]

We're really lamenting over the Harris trade, however it's the Butler trade that I still don't quite understand. I know we got him for a discount, but I'm currently looking at the Rockets situation thinking they'd be committing to another fit nightmare. At no point in time did I think Butler and Simmons would be able to coexist on the court together in a way that would maximize their game.

We don't do that trade, we still have Covington which lessens the need for Harris, so likely don't do that one. Maybe we look for another player, preferably a guard, via trade, maybe not. We likely don't get as far in the playoffs, maybe Brett Brown gets fired (which could have honestly been the correct move), and we could be talking about signing D'Angelo Russell to fill out the rest of this team this offseason. Instead we're considering maxing out a guy who doesn't fit and will be 34 at the end of his massive contract and a 2nd tier star that shouldn't be maxed. It's a bit frustrating to watch, tbh.

I think a big reason they made those trades was because they got spooked after coming up empty last offseason.

I agree, and it’s a big reason why we can’t trust this FO. No reason they should’ve gotten spooked. There were only 2 FA’s worth anything available last year and neither one was ever considering Philly. That’s not representative of all FA’s, and whether or not the Sixers can attract or keep star level FA’s has yet to be determined IMO.

[BigSleep333]

with every news popping up about a jimmy s&t, the more i believe it...if so, thank you jimmy and **** you jimmy

[GutUNC]

with every news popping up about a jimmy s&t, the more i believe it...if so, thank you jimmy and **** you jimmy

All it proves is that Jimmy Butler has an agent.

[LloydFree]

with every news popping up about a jimmy s&t, the more i believe it...if so, thank you jimmy and **** you jimmy

I appreciate him. If he's giving them the opportunity to sign and trade, he's saving them from themselves and paying him an un-trade-able contract.

[Black Mage]

Don't get the sudden dislike over Harris. Is he worth the max? No, but that's free agency. Players get overpaid, it is what it is. Our cap situation is gonna be jacked up going forward anyway, so overpaying him really isn't an issue for us. Cap flexibility is not going to be part of our future. With or without Butler and Harris. So might as well keep them.

Harris is a good player, he isn't great, but he's good and is probably the best type of player we can attract.

People around here are acting a bit too entitled and cocky lately IMO. Like a mediocre looking guy heading to a bar and going home with no one because you're trying to hit on only 10/10's because 7/10's aren't good enough for you. That's a good way to never meet someone.

The Sixers are not going to attract the elite free agents. So you better become comfortable with the 7/10's really quick, because unlike the real world where there's plenty of fish in the sea, the NBA has a limit. And when the 10/10's go elsewhere and you pass on the 7/10's because they aren't good enough for you, you're either gonna go home empty-handed entirely, or will be in panic mode and forced to settle on the player equivalent of girls who only look good when you're piss drunk.

So it's probably Harris or overpaying for mediocre bench guys who will be forced into starting roles. Good luck with that if you want to win a championship, which is all I care about. Getting to the 2nd round means nothing to me, getting to the ECF means nothing. Getting to the NBA Finals means nothing. Winning the Finals is it. I want a parade, bottom line. All this talk about "diverting resources" to guys like Brogdon or Terrence Ross or trading for Tucker from the Rockets... please. Do you want to build the all great bargain team or are you trying to win championships? Let me know how forcing role players into primary roles against elite playoff teams works out next summer, while we have Ben Simmons still afraid to shoot jumpers.

Just run it the F back and stop overthinking this, people. Who knows how many years Embiid has in those legs anyway, can't really think long-term.

This is why Hinkie focused on the draft. As much as it is a crap shoot so is FA especially when any given year you could have Miami, NY, LA or Texas teams which max space. There's just no way to compete with those markets for the cream of the crop. Hell, if either KD or Kawhi joined Embiid and SImmons they'd be favorites to win it all. Instead of doing that you have Kawhi and KD talking about wanting teams to clear 2 cap spaces so they can get a stud to join them at a better preferred city.

It bites that some teams can be horribly mismanaged with awful ownership and STILL get bailed out b/c their city is a preferred destination. Hinkie realized this and that is why he focused on getting that upper crust player and then using free agency to fill in around those players.

[Black Mage]

with every news popping up about a jimmy s&t, the more i believe it...if so, thank you jimmy and **** you jimmy

We'll know come Sunday morning. So far I've only seen reports that Jimmy intends to opt out, but nothing saying he officially has. If he doesn't opt out that's a pretty strong sign he's looking for a trade.

On a different topic:

Pat Beverley is rumored to want a 3yr 40 mil deal. Would anyone want to invest that money on him instead of JJ?

[AirP.]

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[eyeatoma]

IMO, all will be fine on Sunday evening. We'll run it back, give Jimmy and Tobi the money they want, and then the real work begins. Filling out the bench, try to get JJ to the bench, and a good quality 3 and D starter. Would love Ross on the bench or as a starter, and then a Jojo backup. Trust it yall.

[ivysixer2000]

with every news popping up about a jimmy s&t, the more i believe it...if so, thank you jimmy and **** you jimmy

We'll know come Sunday morning. So far I've only seen reports that Jimmy intends to opt out, but nothing saying he officially has. If he doesn't opt out that's a pretty strong sign he's looking for a trade.

On a different topic:

Pat Beverley is rumored to want a 3yr 40 mil deal. Would anyone want to invest that money on him instead of JJ?

Yes.

Finally something that makes sense through all this madness, well except DRuss which isn't madness.

[Sixersftw]

Don't get the sudden dislike over Harris. Is he worth the max? No, but that's free agency. Players get overpaid, it is what it is. Our cap situation is gonna be jacked up going forward anyway, so overpaying him really isn't an issue for us. Cap flexibility is not going to be part of our future. With or without Butler and Harris. So might as well keep them.

Harris is a good player, he isn't great, but he's good and is probably the best type of player we can attract.

People around here are acting a bit too entitled and cocky lately IMO. Like a mediocre looking guy heading to a bar and going home with no one because you're trying to hit on only 10/10's because 7/10's aren't good enough for you. That's a good way to never meet someone.

The Sixers are not going to attract the elite free agents. So you better become comfortable with the 7/10's really quick, because unlike the real world where there's plenty of fish in the sea, the NBA has a limit. And when the 10/10's go elsewhere and you pass on the 7/10's because they aren't good enough for you, you're either gonna go home empty-handed entirely, or will be in panic mode and forced to settle on the player equivalent of girls who only look good when you're piss drunk.

So it's probably Harris or overpaying for mediocre bench guys who will be forced into starting roles. Good luck with that if you want to win a championship, which is all I care about. Getting to the 2nd round means nothing to me, getting to the ECF means nothing. Getting to the NBA Finals means nothing. Winning the Finals is it. I want a parade, bottom line. All this talk about "diverting resources" to guys like Brogdon or Terrence Ross or trading for Tucker from the Rockets... please. Do you want to build the all great bargain team or are you trying to win championships? Let me know how forcing role players into primary roles against elite playoff teams works out next summer, while we have Ben Simmons still afraid to shoot jumpers.

Just run it the F back and stop overthinking this, people. Who knows how many years Embiid has in those legs anyway, can't really think long-term.

This guy definitely ****.

[the_process]

with every news popping up about a jimmy s&t, the more i believe it...if so, thank you jimmy and **** you jimmy

We'll know come Sunday morning. So far I've only seen reports that Jimmy intends to opt out, but nothing saying he officially has. If he doesn't opt out that's a pretty strong sign he's looking for a trade.

On a different topic:

Pat Beverley is rumored to want a 3yr 40 mil deal. Would anyone want to invest that money on him instead of JJ?

Can’t. If they keep Jimmy and Tobias’ cap holds and renounce everyone else, they are still over the cap.

[76ciology]

Btw, i dont think Jimmy, Cp3 and Harden can work.

Offensively, those three can’t defer. Butler is gonna see way less ball duties. Defensively, butler doesnt have the size to defend the 3.

Jalen Rose is wrong to say Jimmy is a better fit with the rox than with us

Watch on YouTube

The guy doesnt know what he’s talking. Jimmy is not a good spot up shooter or a post player. And most importantly, he wants the ball in his hands.

[Samson]

Don't get the sudden dislike over Harris. Is he worth the max? No, but that's free agency. Players get overpaid, it is what it is. Our cap situation is gonna be jacked up going forward anyway, so overpaying him really isn't an issue for us. Cap flexibility is not going to be part of our future. With or without Butler and Harris. So might as well keep them.

Harris is a good player, he isn't great, but he's good and is probably the best type of player we can attract.

People around here are acting a bit too entitled and cocky lately IMO. Like a mediocre looking guy heading to a bar and going home with no one because you're trying to hit on only 10/10's because 7/10's aren't good enough for you. That's a good way to never meet someone.

The Sixers are not going to attract the elite free agents. So you better become comfortable with the 7/10's really quick, because unlike the real world where there's plenty of fish in the sea, the NBA has a limit. And when the 10/10's go elsewhere and you pass on the 7/10's because they aren't good enough for you, you're either gonna go home empty-handed entirely, or will be in panic mode and forced to settle on the player equivalent of girls who only look good when you're piss drunk.

So it's probably Harris or overpaying for mediocre bench guys who will be forced into starting roles. Good luck with that if you want to win a championship, which is all I care about. Getting to the 2nd round means nothing to me, getting to the ECF means nothing. Getting to the NBA Finals means nothing. Winning the Finals is it. I want a parade, bottom line. All this talk about "diverting resources" to guys like Brogdon or Terrence Ross or trading for Tucker from the Rockets... please. Do you want to build the all great bargain team or are you trying to win championships? Let me know how forcing role players into primary roles against elite playoff teams works out next summer, while we have Ben Simmons still afraid to shoot jumpers.

Just run it the F back and stop overthinking this, people. Who knows how many years Embiid has in those legs anyway, can't really think long-term.

This x1000.

Best. Post. Ever.

And Tobias Harris is more like an 8.5 , he's taken a beating on here recently, but he's a great player. So what if we have to pay him ownership money? Jerry Maguire him already!

[LloydFree]

I think many people would be more at peace with the idea of losing Jimmy or Tobias if they really considered how business men view luxury tax as opposed to how fans view luxury tax. I, honestly, have never considered it a possibility that the 76ers would pay both Jimmy and Tobias max deals unless the 76ers won the Championship with the group and were forced to bring a championship team back.

It's poor planning to force your team into 4 consecutive years of escalating luxury taxes. Which is what would happen if you bring both back and extend Simmons. With no guarantee of even a championship appearance, you've just brought 4 years of escalting luxury taxes and a likely hardcap. And with how this team performs without Embiid, you're one injury away from being a hardcapped, 32 win team. If you're still totally dependant on one (1) player for any success, and the other players can't drag you to wins without him, you can't pay all if them max contracts, no matter what the market is for them individually.

[AirP.]

Btw, i dont think Jimmy, Cp3 and Harden can work.

Offensively, those three can’t defer. Butler is gonna see way less ball duties. Defensively, butler doesnt have the size to defend the 3.

Jalen Rose is wrong to say Jimmy is a better fit with the rox than with us

The guy doesnt know what he’s talking. Jimmy is not a good spot up shooter or a post player. And most importantly, he wants the ball in his hands.

Butler deferred in Minnesota his first 6 weeks till he just didn't see the desire in the young players. For most of the season in Philly he deferred the first 3 quarters (that type of play is nowhere near worth a max) of games and then took over in the 4th, his role would be basically the same in Houston. One knock against Harden is that he hunts for fouls late and if he doesn't get them it's a huge problem, that's where Butler would come in as he did in Philly. I'm not so sure he really likes being in bubble wrap the first 3 quarters through(which he was in Philly and would be in Houston), most guys who can score usually like to be in the flow of the game most of the game. Philly fans finally got to see what Butler could do when he started being used more as a playmaker later in the season and against the eventual champs.

Butler doesn't have the size to defend the 3? He's 6-7, strong and most of his career under Thibodeau was guarding the toughest 3s in a nonswitching defense making players like LeBron and P.George work for their offense. In Philly and the switching defense they used, he didn't seem as locked in defending, I'm guessing it had more to do with not being comfortable on defense. Last summer Thibodeau had mentioned starting to utilize Butler at the 4 some. I'm actually surprised Butler is still playing the 2 instead of being a full time 3.

I hope Butler stays in Philly, I could see him and Embiid winning multiple championships together, they're just 2-way difference makers vs the toughest teams. The biggest issue may be Butler may want to hear he'd be utilized more with the ball, somewhat like he was in the 2nd round, that would lead to issues with Simmons with the ball in his hands less. Although Butler doesn't get as many assists as Simmons, he's a more dynamic scorer and turns over the ball much less than Simmons which makes him a very efficient playmaker, hence why his real +/- seems to be much higher then people expect.

[sixers hoops]

with every news popping up about a jimmy s&t, the more i believe it...if so, thank you jimmy and **** you jimmy

We'll know come Sunday morning. So far I've only seen reports that Jimmy intends to opt out, but nothing saying he officially has. If he doesn't opt out that's a pretty strong sign he's looking for a trade.

On a different topic:

Pat Beverley is rumored to want a 3yr 40 mil deal. Would anyone want to invest that money on him instead of JJ?

Yes.

Finally something that makes sense through all this madness, well except DRuss which isn't madness.

I think 90% of this board would favor Bev over Redick, but the money would we use on Bev instead of JJ? After signing Butler and Tobias, or via their capholds, we won’t have any cap space. They would exceed the cap to sign JJ. Can’t with Bev.

[PhillyFan11]

I really feel like Jimmy is living off of reputation as a defender at this point. I was not impressed what so ever with his D. Not saying he’s bad, but the elite shut down guy that he has a reputation for was no where to be seen in my opinion. Not sure if my expectations were too high based on reading what a defensive presence he was, or he’s just made business decisions to ramp down his D at this point in his career.