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statsman wrote:

AirP. wrote:Going through this now.
GS has asked FAs to have patience.
Brogdon and Curry's brother are possibilities.

Mentioned GS may have to have roster spots open to take on multiple players if a Kuminga trade does happen (vs cut current roster players to create those spots), another reason no vet minimums have been signed.

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So, these vets sit around waiting, and there's the possibility that the Warriors would need to pass on some of them because of a Kuminga S&T?

If I'm these vets, go get the sure thing now. This is ridiculous to ask these players to stick around and possibly (however remote) they might get screwed over.

Better to sign now with a team they would want to play for rather than be limited to teams with available roster spots 1-2 months from now.

This is the benefit of having Steph Curry and a front office that treats players right - these guys have handshake deals and trust that the Warriors aren't going to screw them over. Plus by being patient they could make more money.

Twinkie defense wrote:

statsman wrote:

AirP. wrote:Going through this now.
GS has asked FAs to have patience.
Brogdon and Curry's brother are possibilities.

Mentioned GS may have to have roster spots open to take on multiple players if a Kuminga trade does happen (vs cut current roster players to create those spots), another reason no vet minimums have been signed.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

So, these vets sit around waiting, and there's the possibility that the Warriors would need to pass on some of them because of a Kuminga S&T?

If I'm these vets, go get the sure thing now. This is ridiculous to ask these players to stick around and possibly (however remote) they might get screwed over.

Better to sign now with a team they would want to play for rather than be limited to teams with available roster spots 1-2 months from now.

This is the benefit of having Steph Curry and a front office that treats players right - these guys have handshake deals and trust that the Warriors aren't going to screw them over. Plus by being patient they could make more money.

The only way these players can make more money than the vet minimum is if the Warriors jettison Kuminga in a S&T with little returning salary *and* Lacob decides to stay under the 1st apron as a hard cap for this season.

Based on all of the reports we've heard, many with Lacob's dream of acquiring Giannis, what is the possibility of the latter happening?

jg77 wrote:

Onus wrote:

jg77 wrote:
Would love to add a 3&D guy with some actual size in the starting lineup. That would balance the roster nicely.

Keon doesn't have a lot of size and isn't the most versatile defender. He really is only good against guards as he's really light and can get moved easily. He's also really good off ball as well as on ball defensively.

Just did a quick browse and it seems like Kings fans have no interest in trading him Keon. I wonder if Sac is even entertaining offering him.

Kings may have to trade him anyways, unless they're going to give him a huge raise before he hits free agency next summer.

jg77 wrote:Can someone explain the infatuation with Keon Ellis? I'm not that familiar with his game.

Nice player but he is being massively overrated on this board. You could argue that Monk was a more impactful player for Sac last year. His Three-point percentage seems great but he doesn’t get up a lot of them.

Just read a rumor about a double sign and trade of kuminga for Josh giddey. In which case we'd take on a hefty contract because giddey wants $30 mil per year like kuminga. That really does nothing for us if it means we can't afford hortford or melton. In a vacuum of course, he's a better fit than kuminga with kerr's motion offense.

Nvnervous45 wrote:Just read a rumor about a double sign and trade of kuminga for Josh giddey. In which case we'd take on a hefty contract because giddey wants $30 mil per year like kuminga. That really does nothing for us if it means we can't afford hortford or melton. In a vacuum of course, he's a better fit than kuminga with kerr's motion offense.

Would hard cap warriors at the first apron, so not sure how that works without getting rid of more salary (Moody &/or Heild). Dont even know it works with getting rid of them as wouldnt byc still apply, but this time to both teams. Would need a 3rd team to take additional salary - for both teams.

Nvnervous45 wrote:Just read a rumor about a double sign and trade of kuminga for Josh giddey. In which case we'd take on a hefty contract because giddey wants $30 mil per year like kuminga. That really does nothing for us if it means we can't afford hortford or melton. In a vacuum of course, he's a better fit than kuminga with kerr's motion offense.

There was another rumor where Giddey was about to sign for 3/70. That could be more in the ballpark of a JK. I may be in the minority, but I would take that swap especially if we could still sign the others we have plans for.

Nvnervous45 wrote:Just read a rumor about a double sign and trade of kuminga for Josh giddey. In which case we'd take on a hefty contract because giddey wants $30 mil per year like kuminga. That really does nothing for us if it means we can't afford hortford or melton. In a vacuum of course, he's a better fit than kuminga with kerr's motion offense.

Rumor from someone in the NBA front offices, or rumor from someone playing with one of the online trade machines?

azwfan wrote:

Nvnervous45 wrote:Just read a rumor about a double sign and trade of kuminga for Josh giddey. In which case we'd take on a hefty contract because giddey wants $30 mil per year like kuminga. That really does nothing for us if it means we can't afford hortford or melton. In a vacuum of course, he's a better fit than kuminga with kerr's motion offense.

Would hard cap warriors at the first apron, so not sure how that works without getting rid of more salary (Moody &/or Heild). Dont even know it works with getting rid of them as wouldnt byc still apply, but this time to both teams. Would need a 3rd team to take additional salary - for both teams.

Yeah, the Warriors would have to jettison a good deal of salary along with some draft picks to make that happen.

The moving of salary would help the Warriors offset the BYC issues, but as I said, I think that takes draft picks to accomplish.

Ilovethebay wrote:

jg77 wrote:Can someone explain the infatuation with Keon Ellis? I'm not that familiar with his game.

Nice player but he is being massively overrated on this board. You could argue that Monk was a more impactful player for Sac last year. His Three-point percentage seems great but he doesn’t get up a lot of them.

Seeing as Monk makes 10x what Keon makes I would hope someone could make that argument lol

Onus wrote:

jg77 wrote:

HiRez wrote:Dude shot 43% on 3s over his 3-year career and is also a very good defender. Warriors were at their best when Steph was next to prime Klay, who rained 3s on one end while covering for Steph on the defensive end. Not saying Keon is prime Klay, but he could have that effect. He also hits his 3s consistently unlike many of our Warriors "shooters", who can be horrifically inconsistent. His WORST month shooting 3s last year was 39.4% (except October which was only 3 games).

Would love to add a 3&D guy with some actual size in the starting lineup. That would balance the roster nicely.

Keon doesn't have a lot of size and isn't the most versatile defender. He really is only good against guards as he's really light and can get moved easily. He's also really good off ball as well as on ball defensively.

Keon is like Melton if younger and healthier. He can switch 1 and 2, but cant stiick with bigger players.

It's why I've long said that a versatile player who can guard 1 to 4 while being able to get buckets and hit the 3 ball is the missing piece. And that's exactly what kuminga refuses to be.

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

Onus wrote:

jg77 wrote:
Would love to add a 3&D guy with some actual size in the starting lineup. That would balance the roster nicely.

Keon doesn't have a lot of size and isn't the most versatile defender. He really is only good against guards as he's really light and can get moved easily. He's also really good off ball as well as on ball defensively.

Keon is like Melton if younger and healthier. He can switch 1 and 2, but cant stiick with bigger players.

It's why I've long said that a versatile player who can guard 1 to 4 while being able to get buckets and hit the 3 ball is the missing piece. And that's exactly what kuminga refuses to be.

You think getting a versatile player who can guard 1-4, get buckets and hit the 3 is the missing piece?!! You think we need a top 20 player for us to contend then you should be clamoring that we tear it all down.

statsman wrote:

Nvnervous45 wrote:Just read a rumor about a double sign and trade of kuminga for Josh giddey. In which case we'd take on a hefty contract because giddey wants $30 mil per year like kuminga. That really does nothing for us if it means we can't afford hortford or melton. In a vacuum of course, he's a better fit than kuminga with kerr's motion offense.

Rumor from someone in the NBA front offices, or rumor from someone playing with one of the online trade machines?

Jake Fischer mentioned that GS was one of the teams that reached out to Giddy's representation to let them know they are interested in him, probably for future reference since they can't say anything officially when he's under contract. Fischer also mentioned someone had thought about a double S&T but that would be very complicated. Fischer also mentioned no team at this time has reached out to talk to Chicago about making a trade for Giddy, just teams mentioning to Giddy's representation that he may have a real market in the future.

Onus wrote:

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

Onus wrote:Keon doesn't have a lot of size and isn't the most versatile defender. He really is only good against guards as he's really light and can get moved easily. He's also really good off ball as well as on ball defensively.

Keon is like Melton if younger and healthier. He can switch 1 and 2, but cant stiick with bigger players.

It's why I've long said that a versatile player who can guard 1 to 4 while being able to get buckets and hit the 3 ball is the missing piece. And that's exactly what kuminga refuses to be.

You think getting a versatile player who can guard 1-4, get buckets and hit the 3 is the missing piece?!! You think we need a top 20 player for us to contend then you should be clamoring that we tear it all down.

Brooks can do the job.
Wiggins can do the job.
There are a few others.

Both make less than 30M and are attainable. Just need a glue guy at the 3 spot who can fill the gaps without being a liability.

And if we don't get melton, then kcp fits the bill for us.

There are good options in the 25M range who fit stephs timeline and the yeam needs, but only if we can get jk to extend.

* just to clarify, this is for January and not now.

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

Onus wrote:

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
Keon is like Melton if younger and healthier. He can switch 1 and 2, but cant stiick with bigger players.

It's why I've long said that a versatile player who can guard 1 to 4 while being able to get buckets and hit the 3 ball is the missing piece. And that's exactly what kuminga refuses to be.

You think getting a versatile player who can guard 1-4, get buckets and hit the 3 is the missing piece?!! You think we need a top 20 player for us to contend then you should be clamoring that we tear it all down.

Brooks can do the job.
Wiggins can do the job.
There are a few others.

Both make less than 30M and are attainable. Just need a glue guy at the 3 spot who can fill the gaps without being a liability.

There's a guy making 10 million a year in Dallas that probably won't play much for them that can defend 1-4 ... Caleb Martin. He defended 1-4 for Miami and is much better offensively when he's given some offensive freedom which GS's offense could offer him vs stand in the corner like he did in Philly. Miami offered him more than he ended up getting from Philly, his agent declined the offer and went looking for more, when he came back Miami didn't have the same available money because of the apron. He also has been a role-player who can be a difference maker in the playoffs. He'd be a great guy to come off the bench and eat up minutes.

GS doesn't have to just take Sac or Phx players (if they were to make a S&T), they can be rerouted in 3+ team trades to get the right type of guys/money back.

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

Onus wrote:

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
Keon is like Melton if younger and healthier. He can switch 1 and 2, but cant stiick with bigger players.

It's why I've long said that a versatile player who can guard 1 to 4 while being able to get buckets and hit the 3 ball is the missing piece. And that's exactly what kuminga refuses to be.

You think getting a versatile player who can guard 1-4, get buckets and hit the 3 is the missing piece?!! You think we need a top 20 player for us to contend then you should be clamoring that we tear it all down.

Brooks can do the job.
Wiggins can do the job.
There are a few others.

Both make less than 30M and are attainable. Just need a glue guy at the 3 spot who can fill the gaps without being a liability.

And if we don't get melton, then kcp fits the bill for us.

There are good options in the 25M range who fit stephs timeline and the yeam needs, but only if we can get jk to extend.

* just to clarify, this is for January and not now.

I actually like brooks and Wiggins for us.

Onus wrote:

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

Onus wrote:You think getting a versatile player who can guard 1-4, get buckets and hit the 3 is the missing piece?!! You think we need a top 20 player for us to contend then you should be clamoring that we tear it all down.

Brooks can do the job.
Wiggins can do the job.
There are a few others.

Both make less than 30M and are attainable. Just need a glue guy at the 3 spot who can fill the gaps without being a liability.

And if we don't get melton, then kcp fits the bill for us.

There are good options in the 25M range who fit stephs timeline and the yeam needs, but only if we can get jk to extend.

* just to clarify, this is for January and not now.

I actually like brooks and Wiggins for us.

I mean every sf on every warrior championship team fulfilled that specific role. Athletic, switchable, defender, size, fills the gaps around steph/dray (passing, scoring, etc..) while eating 30+ minutes a night.

Draft Barnes, plug in him at sf, then win a ring.
Get kd, but iggy was there too. Win a ring.
Get Wiggins, then get a ring.

I think that's part of the reason why kerr is so upset with jk. Kuminga could absolutely fit that role, but just chooses not too. Put that type of wing around steph, jimmy, and dray? That's a contender.

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

Onus wrote:

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

Brooks can do the job.
Wiggins can do the job.
There are a few others.

Both make less than 30M and are attainable. Just need a glue guy at the 3 spot who can fill the gaps without being a liability.

And if we don't get melton, then kcp fits the bill for us.

There are good options in the 25M range who fit stephs timeline and the yeam needs, but only if we can get jk to extend.

* just to clarify, this is for January and not now.

I actually like brooks and Wiggins for us.

I mean every sf on every warrior championship team fulfilled that specific role. Athletic, switchable, defender, size, fills the gaps around steph/dray (passing, scoring, etc..) while eating 30+ minutes a night.

Draft Barnes, plug in him at sf, then win a ring.
Get kd, but iggy was there too. Win a ring.
Get Wiggins, then get a ring.

I think that's part of the reason why kerr is so upset with jk. Kuminga could absolutely fit that role, but just chooses not too. Put that type of wing around steph, jimmy, and dray? That's a contender.

Isn’t that what moody is?

Onus wrote:

Crazy-Canuck wrote:

Onus wrote:I actually like brooks and Wiggins for us.

I mean every sf on every warrior championship team fulfilled that specific role. Athletic, switchable, defender, size, fills the gaps around steph/dray (passing, scoring, etc..) while eating 30+ minutes a night.

Draft Barnes, plug in him at sf, then win a ring.
Get kd, but iggy was there too. Win a ring.
Get Wiggins, then get a ring.

I think that's part of the reason why kerr is so upset with jk. Kuminga could absolutely fit that role, but just chooses not too. Put that type of wing around steph, jimmy, and dray? That's a contender.

Isn’t that what moody is?

Sort of, particularly if you look at the 5 week window after the Butler trade. Moody shot 48/40/88 during that span before the Bucks game where he injured the thumb on his shooting hand. He became very reliable at the FT line after the trade, which was a pleasant surprise.

My concern is Moody doesn't score enough. He needs to be in the 16-18 ppg range. I am just not sure he's wired for that at this level. He also needs to handle the ball better in traffic.

statsman wrote:

Onus wrote:

Crazy-Canuck wrote:I mean every sf on every warrior championship team fulfilled that specific role. Athletic, switchable, defender, size, fills the gaps around steph/dray (passing, scoring, etc..) while eating 30+ minutes a night.

Draft Barnes, plug in him at sf, then win a ring.
Get kd, but iggy was there too. Win a ring.
Get Wiggins, then get a ring.

I think that's part of the reason why kerr is so upset with jk. Kuminga could absolutely fit that role, but just chooses not too. Put that type of wing around steph, jimmy, and dray? That's a contender.

Isn’t that what moody is?

Sort of, particularly if you look at the 5 week window after the Butler trade. Moody shot 48/40/88 during that span before the Bucks game where he injured the thumb on his shooting hand. He became very reliable at the FT line after the trade, which was a pleasant surprise.

My concern is Moody doesn't score enough. He needs to be in the 16-18 ppg range. I am just not sure he's wired for that at this level. He also needs to handle the ball better in traffic.

On offense, I think he can kinda be that guy. Hit the 3 and attack close outs.

Defensively, I like him. I think he's good. But I think he lacks the aggression of the athleticism to be that role. Ideally, it's a guy that will do all the legwork on defense to to switch, chase, contest 3s from sideline to sideline. And that requires elite athleticism or full aggression with elite read and react.

I do think he can be in that brooks mold, but he isn't there yet.