Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[ProspectPark]

Kyle Anderson?

27 years old
6’9 230 lbs
2 years left on his contract at $10 mil per year

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[ProspectPark]

So he's hitting open threes at an excellent clip, and we will be bringing him onto a team that will see plenty of open looks based on the fact that defenses will be pissing their pants over KD and Kyrie. We need threes and defense from our starting SG. Sounds like he's the guy.

I think the solution is clear here. If NO is willing to engage, we should consider it. I vastly disagree on the notion that we will have to pay Jrue max dollars to stay here.

How much did DLo and Kemba just get?

That was pre pandemic. I don't expect anyone to be getting anywhere near what those two got until revenue levels return to normal.

Also, Kemba is better than Jrue, and DLo was being paid on potential/age. I doubt Holiday gets anywhere near north of 20 mil.

On Zach Lowe’s latest podcast, Zach and Bobby Marks speculated about Jrue Holiday’s next contract. They said Holiday and his agent will want Kyle Lowry type money. $30 million. Lowe even said that would scare him and how Lowry is better because Lowry can actually shoot.

Trading for Jrue Holiday is exactly the type of amateur hour move we should avoid. Similar to this off-season, where Joe Harris has all the leverage, that’s what Jrue Holiday will have next season. He knows this is his last big contract and we are desperate for a championship.

Imagine the difficult situation we would be in. Either over pay Holiday and have a huge negative untradeable asset on our books or let him walk, disappoint KD and Kyrie, and let every future free agent know that we’re a cheap incompetent franchise like the Knicks.

Trading for Holiday = amateur hour

[Prokorov]

I think Covington is exactly what we need. But I don't see them trading him.

I wonder what other defensive wings we can get for a lesser price. Allen and some sweeteners. No Dinwiddie.

there isnt much out there. most of the elite wing defenders are also elite players overall (i.e. giannis, butler, kawhi, lebron, ben simmons, tatum, siakim....) and the few who arent are on extremely team friendly deals on playoff teams (Smart, Beverly, Covington)

then you have a few guys who could be had but extremely offensive inept (RHJ, MKG).

i think the realistic targets who arent superstars, could be had via trade, and who arent complete liabilities on offense are:
-Jrue
-Terrance Ross
-Aaron Gordon
-Gallinari
-Oladipo
-Dillon Brooks

I’d add the following to that list:

Derrick White
Norman Powell
Crowder
Harrison Barnes

The heat wont let crowder go. he is too good a fit and he wouldnt prevent them from signing Giannis even at more than the MLE. I love Powell. I cant see the raptors trading him to us, although i guess maybe a multi team trade would work. but he is better then levert, dinwiddie or allen and we dont have the high lotto type picks to help offset the difference. doing a 3 for 1 doesnt help because they want to keep their cap open for a run at giannis. but id rank powell just behind Jrue and ahead of beal if he became an option.

Barnes would be a good swap. if we could get him for either levert or dinwiddie (but not both) and 19 id make that move. if we did levert the salary increase would be minimal and barnes has shown he can play a role next to a cast of stars.

im not sure how we get white. he is cheap and a spurs type player. he doesnt really excite me either. unlike jrue he is a 6-4 guy who doesnt really play bigger then that.

[Prokorov]

How much did DLo and Kemba just get?

That was pre pandemic. I don't expect anyone to be getting anywhere near what those two got until revenue levels return to normal.

Also, Kemba is better than Jrue, and DLo was being paid on potential/age. I doubt Holiday gets anywhere near north of 20 mil.

On Zach Lowe’s latest podcast, Zach and Bobby Marks speculated about Jrue Holiday’s next contract. They said Holiday and his agent will want Kyle Lowry type money. $30 million. Lowe even said that would scare him and how Lowry is better because Lowry can actually shoot.

Trading for Jrue Holiday is exactly the type of amateur hour move we should avoid. Similar to this off-season, where Joe Harris has all the leverage, that’s what Jrue Holiday will have next season. He knows this is his last big contract and we are desperate for a championship.

Imagine the difficult situation we would be in. Either over pay Holiday and have a huge negative untradeable asset on our books or let him walk, disappoint KD and Kyrie, and let every future free agent know that we’re a cheap incompetent franchise like the Knicks.

Trading for Holiday = amateur hour

its pretty simple. you have a year to have seen how kyrie -jrue- KD works. if it was legit title contention you overpay if needed to keep him. if not you let him walk. either way we would have given up role guys and 1-way players for an all-nba defender who has the ability to raise our ceiling.

if marks can find a 3rd team to consolidate our poo poo plater of chips into something NO wants then he would 100% make the move. because its the best possible move we could hope to make.

[Paradise]

Nets & Warriors reportedly interested in a Jeremy Lin reunion.

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[Prokorov]

Nets & Warriors reportedly interested in a Jeremy Lin reunion.

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no thank you. We have enough injury risk scoring lead guard types.

go get a defender.

[MrDollarBills]

How much did DLo and Kemba just get?

That was pre pandemic. I don't expect anyone to be getting anywhere near what those two got until revenue levels return to normal.

Also, Kemba is better than Jrue, and DLo was being paid on potential/age. I doubt Holiday gets anywhere near north of 20 mil.

On Zach Lowe’s latest podcast, Zach and Bobby Marks speculated about Jrue Holiday’s next contract. They said Holiday and his agent will want Kyle Lowry type money. $30 million. Lowe even said that would scare him and how Lowry is better because Lowry can actually shoot.

Trading for Jrue Holiday is exactly the type of amateur hour move we should avoid. Similar to this off-season, where Joe Harris has all the leverage, that’s what Jrue Holiday will have next season. He knows this is his last big contract and we are desperate for a championship.

Imagine the difficult situation we would be in. Either over pay Holiday and have a huge negative untradeable asset on our books or let him walk, disappoint KD and Kyrie, and let every future free agent know that we’re a cheap incompetent franchise like the Knicks.

Trading for Holiday = amateur hour

No one is going to pay Holiday 30 million dollars a season when the league came in under 1.5 billion dollars of revenue projections and there is no guarantee of when things will return to normal. Marks and Lowe are full of ****.

[MrDollarBills]

Nets & Warriors reportedly interested in a Jeremy Lin reunion.

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no thank you. We have enough injury risk scoring lead guard types.

go get a defender.

If Lin is healthy, why would he be a bad addition? He's not going to command more than the vet minimum. I would advocate for him to be brought back in. Marks knows this guy Prok, and if we have to trade either Spencer or Caris in a move he will fill a need.

Bring Lin back. I liked him, screw his fanbase dude the guy is a good player if healthy and he brings a good attitude and 100% effort.

[Papi_swav]

Nets & Warriors reportedly interested in a Jeremy Lin reunion.

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no thank you. We have enough injury risk scoring lead guard types.

go get a defender.

If Lin is healthy, why would he be a bad addition? He's not going to command more than the vet minimum. I would advocate for him to be brought back in. Marks knows this guy Prok, and if we have to trade either Spencer or Caris in a move he will fill a need.

Bring Lin back. I liked him, screw his fanbase dude the guy is a good player if healthy and he brings a good attitude and 100% effort.

We kind of have a log jam at guard already. Unless we trade Din and/or Levert. What do we do with Chiozza? I agree with Prok, we need to get a defender. I would rather go after Dunn.

[Prokorov]

Nets & Warriors reportedly interested in a Jeremy Lin reunion.

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no thank you. We have enough injury risk scoring lead guard types.

go get a defender.

If Lin is healthy, why would he be a bad addition? He's not going to command more than the vet minimum. I would advocate for him to be brought back in. Marks knows this guy Prok, and if we have to trade either Spencer or Caris in a move he will fill a need.

Bring Lin back. I liked him, screw his fanbase dude the guy is a good player if healthy and he brings a good attitude and 100% effort.

We need more guys we can count on to stay healthy, not less. we need more offball players, not less.

[Trader_Joe]

no thank you. We have enough injury risk scoring lead guard types.

go get a defender.

If Lin is healthy, why would he be a bad addition? He's not going to command more than the vet minimum. I would advocate for him to be brought back in. Marks knows this guy Prok, and if we have to trade either Spencer or Caris in a move he will fill a need.

Bring Lin back. I liked him, screw his fanbase dude the guy is a good player if healthy and he brings a good attitude and 100% effort.

We kind of have a log jam at guard already. Unless we trade Din and/or Levert. What do we do with Chiozza? I agree with Prok, we need to get a defender. I would rather go after Dunn.

Chiozza is a FA. TJ a FA as well, and he can shoot. Both are minimum types. I rather keep TJ between the two.
We really don't need another PG though between Irving, Dinwiddie, LeVert, we are set. We also have Jeremiah Martin on a 2-way.

[DeRoma]

I think Covington is exactly what we need. But I don't see them trading him.

I wonder what other defensive wings we can get for a lesser price. Allen and some sweeteners. No Dinwiddie.

there isnt much out there. most of the elite wing defenders are also elite players overall (i.e. giannis, butler, kawhi, lebron, ben simmons, tatum, siakim....) and the few who arent are on extremely team friendly deals on playoff teams (Smart, Beverly, Covington)

then you have a few guys who could be had but extremely offensive inept (RHJ, MKG).

i think the realistic targets who arent superstars, could be had via trade, and who arent complete liabilities on offense are:
-Jrue
-Terrance Ross
-Aaron Gordon
-Gallinari
-Oladipo
-Dillon Brooks

I’d add the following to that list:

Derrick White
Norman Powell
Crowder
Harrison Barnes

Cody Martin another under the radar guys that can be great in a winning environment

[TheNetsFan]

Shifting gears, who has been keeping up with The Athletic's Tiers project?

I appreciate the work they've put into dissecting the components of winning in the modern NBA. For those of you who wonder why some of us value a two-way, lean-usage star like Jrue Holiday over a liability and ballhog like Zach Lavine, here is your independent analysis.

We have a tier 1B player in Durant, a 3B player in Irving, three 4B players on the wing (Levert, Harris and Dinwiddie), and Allen as a 5. That's 6 players, tied for most in the league. A testament to not only our savvy drafting, but also our fortune at both ends of the free agency spectrum. Kudos, Sean.

One useful bit of breakdown I find insightful was both Caris and Spencer are in a class known as "floor raisers". High-usage, low efficiency guys who don't defend well or bring other elite skills that transition them to contending role players. They are the reason we have been able to weather so much misfortune in injury over the past 2 seasons, and still make the playoffs. But the holes in their game in a more subservient role are what will hold us back from winning at the highest levels.

I have been keeping up with it. I don't fully agree with those rankings obviously, but I do appreciate their effort, and the writer did show a lot of good reasoning for the rankings. As for Levert and Dinwiddie, I think that's accurate to a degree, but a bit unfair on Dinwiddie, as he has shown that he can be an above average efficiency scorer when he isn't being asked to do too much (18-19 season).

It should be noted that the writer was part of the Bucks front office (Director of Basketball Research) up until last summer.

I'm not sure why everybody says LeVert can't be more efficient off the ball. Our lean roster basically dictated that he had to have a high usage rate, but when he had a lower usage rate in his rookie season, he was more efficient. I think the jury is still out on him.

Back to the Tiers list, here is a nice graphic that summarizes it. I personally think 3A is probably the most questionable tier. I'm admittedly biased towards guys that can put a team on their back in crunch time, so when I think a top 25 player, I think more go to guy than super role player types.

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[Prokorov]

Shifting gears, who has been keeping up with The Athletic's Tiers project?

I appreciate the work they've put into dissecting the components of winning in the modern NBA. For those of you who wonder why some of us value a two-way, lean-usage star like Jrue Holiday over a liability and ballhog like Zach Lavine, here is your independent analysis.

We have a tier 1B player in Durant, a 3B player in Irving, three 4B players on the wing (Levert, Harris and Dinwiddie), and Allen as a 5. That's 6 players, tied for most in the league. A testament to not only our savvy drafting, but also our fortune at both ends of the free agency spectrum. Kudos, Sean.

One useful bit of breakdown I find insightful was both Caris and Spencer are in a class known as "floor raisers". High-usage, low efficiency guys who don't defend well or bring other elite skills that transition them to contending role players. They are the reason we have been able to weather so much misfortune in injury over the past 2 seasons, and still make the playoffs. But the holes in their game in a more subservient role are what will hold us back from winning at the highest levels.

I have been keeping up with it. I don't fully agree with those rankings obviously, but I do appreciate their effort, and the writer did show a lot of good reasoning for the rankings. As for Levert and Dinwiddie, I think that's accurate to a degree, but a bit unfair on Dinwiddie, as he has shown that he can be an above average efficiency scorer when he isn't being asked to do too much (18-19 season).

It should be noted that the writer was part of the Bucks front office (Director of Basketball Research) up until last summer.

I'm not sure why everybody says LeVert can't be more efficient off the ball. Our lean roster basically dictated that he had to have a high usage rate, but when he had a lower usage rate in his rookie season, he was more efficient. I think the jury is still out on him.

Back to the Tiers list, here is a nice graphic that summarizes it. I personally think 3A is probably the most questionable tier. I'm admittedly biased towards guys that can put a team on their back in crunch time, so when I think a top 25 player, I think more go to guy than super role player types.

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The biggest difference between leverts rookie year and the following seasons is that his rookie year he was a decent finisher at the rim and from 10 feet in where as since he has been somewhere below below avg and bottom of the league on close attemps and attempts at the rim.

Hard to really determine why. we were a different team. an awful team. he was an unknown. was it because he was more athletic pre injuries? was it because they were lower leverage situations (off the bench in not close games). was it a coaching thing?

may have been shot selection. he was much more aggressive passing within 3 feet years 1-2 vs the last 2 years attacking as a scorer more. could also be sample size, although that might translate positively to a smaller role.

in either event, 55 TS% on 32% from three and 8 points per game isnt exactly elite off ball production either.

I think he just isnt a good enough catch and shoot player and he isnt good enough without the ball in his hands to put pressure on defenses. i think you are better off with a better defender or better shooter. i think a lesser player like temple may yeild better results fit wise for instance.

i think he is best suited as 6th man microwave. i think him or dinwiddie need to go as both cant occupy that

[MrDollarBills]

Shifting gears, who has been keeping up with The Athletic's Tiers project?

I appreciate the work they've put into dissecting the components of winning in the modern NBA. For those of you who wonder why some of us value a two-way, lean-usage star like Jrue Holiday over a liability and ballhog like Zach Lavine, here is your independent analysis.

We have a tier 1B player in Durant, a 3B player in Irving, three 4B players on the wing (Levert, Harris and Dinwiddie), and Allen as a 5. That's 6 players, tied for most in the league. A testament to not only our savvy drafting, but also our fortune at both ends of the free agency spectrum. Kudos, Sean.

One useful bit of breakdown I find insightful was both Caris and Spencer are in a class known as "floor raisers". High-usage, low efficiency guys who don't defend well or bring other elite skills that transition them to contending role players. They are the reason we have been able to weather so much misfortune in injury over the past 2 seasons, and still make the playoffs. But the holes in their game in a more subservient role are what will hold us back from winning at the highest levels.

I have been keeping up with it. I don't fully agree with those rankings obviously, but I do appreciate their effort, and the writer did show a lot of good reasoning for the rankings. As for Levert and Dinwiddie, I think that's accurate to a degree, but a bit unfair on Dinwiddie, as he has shown that he can be an above average efficiency scorer when he isn't being asked to do too much (18-19 season).

It should be noted that the writer was part of the Bucks front office (Director of Basketball Research) up until last summer.

I'm not sure why everybody says LeVert can't be more efficient off the ball. Our lean roster basically dictated that he had to have a high usage rate, but when he had a lower usage rate in his rookie season, he was more efficient. I think the jury is still out on him.

Back to the Tiers list, here is a nice graphic that summarizes it. I personally think 3A is probably the most questionable tier. I'm admittedly biased towards guys that can put a team on their back in crunch time, so when I think a top 25 player, I think more go to guy than super role player types.

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Irving is Tier 2C. These guys are on drugs.

[DarkXaero]

I have been keeping up with it. I don't fully agree with those rankings obviously, but I do appreciate their effort, and the writer did show a lot of good reasoning for the rankings. As for Levert and Dinwiddie, I think that's accurate to a degree, but a bit unfair on Dinwiddie, as he has shown that he can be an above average efficiency scorer when he isn't being asked to do too much (18-19 season).

It should be noted that the writer was part of the Bucks front office (Director of Basketball Research) up until last summer.

I'm not sure why everybody says LeVert can't be more efficient off the ball. Our lean roster basically dictated that he had to have a high usage rate, but when he had a lower usage rate in his rookie season, he was more efficient. I think the jury is still out on him.

Back to the Tiers list, here is a nice graphic that summarizes it. I personally think 3A is probably the most questionable tier. I'm admittedly biased towards guys that can put a team on their back in crunch time, so when I think a top 25 player, I think more go to guy than super role player types.

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Irving is Tier 2C. These guys are on drugs.

The writer explained his rankings, and the reason why Kyrie is lower than he should be, it's because of his durability/availability. The writer acknowledged that Kyrie has the ability to be in 2nd tier, but he has missed way too many games.

[vincecarter4pres]

I have been keeping up with it. I don't fully agree with those rankings obviously, but I do appreciate their effort, and the writer did show a lot of good reasoning for the rankings. As for Levert and Dinwiddie, I think that's accurate to a degree, but a bit unfair on Dinwiddie, as he has shown that he can be an above average efficiency scorer when he isn't being asked to do too much (18-19 season).

It should be noted that the writer was part of the Bucks front office (Director of Basketball Research) up until last summer.

I'm not sure why everybody says LeVert can't be more efficient off the ball. Our lean roster basically dictated that he had to have a high usage rate, but when he had a lower usage rate in his rookie season, he was more efficient. I think the jury is still out on him.

Back to the Tiers list, here is a nice graphic that summarizes it. I personally think 3A is probably the most questionable tier. I'm admittedly biased towards guys that can put a team on their back in crunch time, so when I think a top 25 player, I think more go to guy than super role player types.

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Irving is Tier 2C. These guys are on drugs.

Also I’m really surprised AD and Doncic aren’t 1B. He said Durant and Curry would have been 1A if not for injury, so Luka and Davis should definitely be 1B Imho.

Surprised Beal and Donovan Mitchell aren’t at least 3A’s.

Dray Green and Zion have zero business even sniffing the 3’s under any sub-letter.

Danny Green a 4A? I don’t know he should have even made this list, period. In fact I’d personally say he definitely shouldn’t have.

A few notable omissions:

Norman Powell
Rondo
Larry Nance Jr
Harrison Barnes

[TheNetsFan]

It should be noted that the writer was part of the Bucks front office (Director of Basketball Research) up until last summer.

I'm not sure why everybody says LeVert can't be more efficient off the ball. Our lean roster basically dictated that he had to have a high usage rate, but when he had a lower usage rate in his rookie season, he was more efficient. I think the jury is still out on him.

Back to the Tiers list, here is a nice graphic that summarizes it. I personally think 3A is probably the most questionable tier. I'm admittedly biased towards guys that can put a team on their back in crunch time, so when I think a top 25 player, I think more go to guy than super role player types.

Read on Twitter

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Irving is Tier 2C. These guys are on drugs.

Also I’m really surprised AD and Doncic aren’t 1B. He said Durant and Curry would have been 1A if not for injury, so Luka and Davis should definitely be 1B Imho.

Surprised Beal and Donovan Mitchell aren’t at least 3A’s.

Dray Green and Zion have zero business even sniffing the 3’s under any sub-letter.

Danny Green a 4A? I don’t know he should have even made this list, period. In fact I’d personally say he definitely shouldn’t have.

A few notable omissions:

Norman Powell
Rondo
Larry Nance Jr
Harrison Barnes

I think AD & Doncic (currently) are a clear step below KD & Curry. The top 2 levels are solid. If not for injuries, I agree Kyrie should be in Tier 2. Tier 3 as a whole is solid as well, it's just the subgroups that are a bit weird. I think the super role players are too high.

[vincecarter4pres]

Brooklyn sends:
Caris LeVert
Spencer Dinwiddie
Nicolas Claxton
Dzanan Musa
‘21 1st top 4 protected
‘23 1st top 10 protected, then 9, then 7, then becomes 2 seconds

LAC sends:
Paul George

Indiana sends:
Victor Oladipo


Brooklyn receives:
Paul George

LAC receives:
Spencer Dinwiddie
Victor Oladipo
Nicolas Claxton
‘21 BK 1st
‘23 BK 1st

Indiana receives:
Caris LeVert
Dzanan Musa

[NYG]

Taurean Prince and 19 for 27?