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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2301 » by King Ken » Sat Apr 6, 2019 1:34 am

EazyRoc wrote:
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King Ken wrote:When Duke pace was fast and they ran, Cam was getting up shots and he was just as impactful as R.J. when the game slowed down and he became more of a speciality, he just didn't have a role that fit him anymore. He is a rhythm shooter more than a spot up or movement shooter. Those types are all about volume. When Duke couldn't get him in volume, he just struggled to get going.

You can just have him stand and shoot. He needs actions. At the same time, he needs to be spoon fed as well. He is a tough fit for teams like Bol Bol but Reddish for us is a perfect fit like Kevin is.

NAILED IT. With our pace, and Trae dishing, Cam will flourish. Imagine Trae, Kevin, and Cam flying down the floor at you with sniper rifles cocked. Choose to defend the 3-pt line, Trae/Collins Oop City. Collapse the defense, 3 40% snipers will mow you down from deep. It’s unstoppable.
Lol. With our pace and Trae passing anyone can flourish. Cam is a scrub.

:noway: we just lost by 40 and you made this post :noway:
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2302 » by Indyhawks26 » Sat Apr 6, 2019 1:35 am

Good points King Ken.My worry is we saw the Hawks pushing it gave up 149 where's the defense.Must we always push it will have a Denver Nuggets team of the 80s run and gun but lose because of no defense.
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Post#2303 » by King Ken » Sat Apr 6, 2019 1:48 am

Indyhawks26 wrote:Good points King Ken.My worry is we saw the Hawks pushing it gave up 149 where's the defense.Must we always push it will have a Denver Nuggets team of the 80s run and gun but lose because of no defense.

To have a guy who is laterally quick enough to guard anyone and is long with the size helps tremendously. Tonight our lack of length on the perimeter and shooting killed us

It's clear we got three guys. After that, no one else is that guy. We need at least two more.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2304 » by LunchBox21 » Sat Apr 6, 2019 3:05 am

EazyRoc wrote:
Hazer wrote:
King Ken wrote:When Duke pace was fast and they ran, Cam was getting up shots and he was just as impactful as R.J. when the game slowed down and he became more of a speciality, he just didn't have a role that fit him anymore. He is a rhythm shooter more than a spot up or movement shooter. Those types are all about volume. When Duke couldn't get him in volume, he just struggled to get going.

You can just have him stand and shoot. He needs actions. At the same time, he needs to be spoon fed as well. He is a tough fit for teams like Bol Bol but Reddish for us is a perfect fit like Kevin is.

NAILED IT. With our pace, and Trae dishing, Cam will flourish. Imagine Trae, Kevin, and Cam flying down the floor at you with sniper rifles cocked. Choose to defend the 3-pt line, Trae/Collins Oop City. Collapse the defense, 3 40% snipers will mow you down from deep. It’s unstoppable.
Lol. With our pace and Trae passing anyone can flourish. Cam is a scrub.


All these excuses and accommodations for a scrub
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2305 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 3:56 am

LunchBox21 wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:
Hazer wrote:NAILED IT. With our pace, and Trae dishing, Cam will flourish. Imagine Trae, Kevin, and Cam flying down the floor at you with sniper rifles cocked. Choose to defend the 3-pt line, Trae/Collins Oop City. Collapse the defense, 3 40% snipers will mow you down from deep. It’s unstoppable.
Lol. With our pace and Trae passing anyone can flourish. Cam is a scrub.


All these excuses and accommodations for a scrub

It’s mind blowing. It’s one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen when it comes to prospects. Dude is garbage guys. I have never seen someone get so much of a pass ever. He hasn’t shown much of anything college and has had opportunities. He’s not good off the ball, he’s a ball watcher movement wise, he’s not a good athlete, he’s an OK ball handler, he’s wildly inconsistent creating space for his own shot, he’s not much of a slasher, he’s not a good spot up shooter, he’s not really great as a pull up shooter, he doesn’t use his length to help finish, he’s not really a playmaker. It’s like he’s got good shooting form and defensive potential and that is it. I think it bothers me so much because I see absolutely nothing warranting lottery considerations. I can think of about 5 or 6 wings off the top of my head that should be drafted ahead of him.
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Post#2306 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 3:58 am

King Ken wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:
Hazer wrote:NAILED IT. With our pace, and Trae dishing, Cam will flourish. Imagine Trae, Kevin, and Cam flying down the floor at you with sniper rifles cocked. Choose to defend the 3-pt line, Trae/Collins Oop City. Collapse the defense, 3 40% snipers will mow you down from deep. It’s unstoppable.
Lol. With our pace and Trae passing anyone can flourish. Cam is a scrub.

:noway: we just lost by 40 and you made this post :noway:


So Cam Reddish is the answer ? :lol:
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2307 » by King Ken » Sat Apr 6, 2019 4:07 am

EazyRoc wrote:
LunchBox21 wrote:
EazyRoc wrote: Lol. With our pace and Trae passing anyone can flourish. Cam is a scrub.


All these excuses and accommodations for a scrub

It’s mind blowing. It’s one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen when it comes to prospects. Dude is garbage guys. I have never seen someone get so much of a pass ever. He hasn’t shown much of anything college and has had opportunities. He’s not good off the ball, he’s a ball watcher movement wise, he’s not a good athlete, he’s an OK ball handler, he’s wildly inconsistent creating space for his own shot, he’s not much of a slasher, he’s not a good spot up shooter, he’s not really great as a pull up shooter, he doesn’t use his length to help finish, he’s not really a playmaker. It’s like he’s got good shooting form and defensive potential and that is it. I think it bothers me so much because I see absolutely nothing warranting lottery considerations. I can think of about 5 or 6 wings off the top of my head that should be drafted ahead of him.

A Marcus Thornton level bucket getter who shoots from range with volume who has Josh Okogie like D at 6'9 and has very good PnR handler potential is extremely intriguing IN OUR SYSTEM. It's not that difficult to understand. Add this talent level and fluidity with our pace, having Trae and our playing style gives us tremendous potential.

He is a great athlete. Extremely fluid. Elite lateral quickness for his size and has tremendous feel for steals. Look, he clearly has limitations. A number of them you mentioned. But I'll interject when you are wrong.

As I've said, him and Bol Bol are both boom or bust prospects. Last year, it was Trae Young and Mo Bamba. Situations are KINGS for these talented but flawed players.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2308 » by King Ken » Sat Apr 6, 2019 4:08 am

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King Ken wrote:
EazyRoc wrote: Lol. With our pace and Trae passing anyone can flourish. Cam is a scrub.

:noway: we just lost by 40 and you made this post :noway:


So Cam Reddish is the answer ? :lol:

:noway: stop it.
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Post#2310 » by Spud2nique » Sat Apr 6, 2019 5:47 am

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2311 » by Indyhawks26 » Sat Apr 6, 2019 6:10 am

PJ impressed me a gamer.
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Post#2312 » by Spud2nique » Sat Apr 6, 2019 12:49 pm

Looking to get one last impression of Jarrett Culver and DeAndre Hunter today. Both should still be very much on the Hawks radar. Let the wildness of the tourney begin!!!
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Post#2313 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 1:15 pm

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EazyRoc wrote:
LunchBox21 wrote:
All these excuses and accommodations for a scrub

It’s mind blowing. It’s one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen when it comes to prospects. Dude is garbage guys. I have never seen someone get so much of a pass ever. He hasn’t shown much of anything college and has had opportunities. He’s not good off the ball, he’s a ball watcher movement wise, he’s not a good athlete, he’s an OK ball handler, he’s wildly inconsistent creating space for his own shot, he’s not much of a slasher, he’s not a good spot up shooter, he’s not really great as a pull up shooter, he doesn’t use his length to help finish, he’s not really a playmaker. It’s like he’s got good shooting form and defensive potential and that is it. I think it bothers me so much because I see absolutely nothing warranting lottery considerations. I can think of about 5 or 6 wings off the top of my head that should be drafted ahead of him.

A Marcus Thornton level bucket getter who shoots from range with volume who has Josh Okogie like D at 6'9 and has very good PnR handler potential is extremely intriguing IN OUR SYSTEM. It's not that difficult to understand. Add this talent level and fluidity with our pace, having Trae and our playing style gives us tremendous potential.

He is a great athlete. Extremely fluid. Elite lateral quickness for his size and has tremendous feel for steals. Look, he clearly has limitations. A number of them you mentioned. But I'll interject when you are wrong.

As I've said, him and Bol Bol are both boom or bust prospects. Last year, it was Trae Young and Mo Bamba. Situations are KINGS for these talented but flawed players.

He has a very average first step. He’s not creating separation in the NBA. There’s at least 2 or 3 better PnR ball handlers in this draft (Culver and Langford).

The guy is not a shooter. His limitations actually take away from the impact he will have offensively. There’s just a bunch of wings out there who are better overall AND better fits.

I will say this though. After Hunter, Reddish is probably the best defender in the group.

I can’t wait for time to tell on this kid. I hope he does well, but I hope even more that we don’t draft him.

FWIW, Trae was never boom or bust in my eyes. He was the third best prospect in that draft in my eyes at the time. Future MVP. He and Ayton were the only guys I saw with that kind of potential.
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Post#2314 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 1:20 pm

Spud2nique wrote:Looking to get one last impression of Jarrett Culver and DeAndre Hunter today. Both should still be very much on the Hawks radar. Let the wildness of the tourney begin!!!

I hope Hunter shows out. I thought he’d have a much better tourney and solidify his spot as a top 5 pick. He’s been looking real meh..
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Post#2315 » by Spud2nique » Sat Apr 6, 2019 1:27 pm

EazyRoc wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:Looking to get one last impression of Jarrett Culver and DeAndre Hunter today. Both should still be very much on the Hawks radar. Let the wildness of the tourney begin!!!

I hope Hunter shows out. I thought he’d have a much better tourney and solidify his spot as a top 5 pick. He’s been looking real meh..


Ya, agreed he needs to put that great NBA body to work so we can see his skills!
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Post#2316 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Apr 6, 2019 1:28 pm

I still really like this kid, a lot. Not a star, but a top role playing big.

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Post#2317 » by EazyRoc » Sat Apr 6, 2019 1:37 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I still really like this kid, a lot. Not a star, but a top role playing big.

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What are his feet like ? Will he be able to defend the PnR in the NBA ?
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2318 » by King Ken » Sat Apr 6, 2019 1:49 pm

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King Ken wrote:
EazyRoc wrote:It’s mind blowing. It’s one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen when it comes to prospects. Dude is garbage guys. I have never seen someone get so much of a pass ever. He hasn’t shown much of anything college and has had opportunities. He’s not good off the ball, he’s a ball watcher movement wise, he’s not a good athlete, he’s an OK ball handler, he’s wildly inconsistent creating space for his own shot, he’s not much of a slasher, he’s not a good spot up shooter, he’s not really great as a pull up shooter, he doesn’t use his length to help finish, he’s not really a playmaker. It’s like he’s got good shooting form and defensive potential and that is it. I think it bothers me so much because I see absolutely nothing warranting lottery considerations. I can think of about 5 or 6 wings off the top of my head that should be drafted ahead of him.

A Marcus Thornton level bucket getter who shoots from range with volume who has Josh Okogie like D at 6'9 and has very good PnR handler potential is extremely intriguing IN OUR SYSTEM. It's not that difficult to understand. Add this talent level and fluidity with our pace, having Trae and our playing style gives us tremendous potential.

He is a great athlete. Extremely fluid. Elite lateral quickness for his size and has tremendous feel for steals. Look, he clearly has limitations. A number of them you mentioned. But I'll interject when you are wrong.

As I've said, him and Bol Bol are both boom or bust prospects. Last year, it was Trae Young and Mo Bamba. Situations are KINGS for these talented but flawed players.

He has a very average first step. He’s not creating separation in the NBA. There’s at least 2 or 3 better PnR ball handlers in this draft (Culver and Langford).

The guy is not a shooter. His limitations actually take away from the impact he will have offensively. There’s just a bunch of wings out there who are better overall AND better fits.

I will say this though. After Hunter, Reddish is probably the best defender in the group.

I can’t wait for time to tell on this kid. I hope he does well, but I hope even more that we don’t draft him.

FWIW, Trae was never boom or bust in my eyes. He was the third best prospect in that draft in my eyes at the time. Future MVP. He and Ayton were the only guys I saw with that kind of potential.

No he doesn't, he has a very good first step and an excellent one for his size. He is just weak due to his lack of core strength. We seen this before with PG24 and Marvin but like PG, he has coordination and he is fluid while Marvin wasn't. We saw this with PG24 in his rookie year. He clearly has the 2nd best one for this class wings. Clarke clearly has an elite first step. Reddish 2nd and and 3rd step isn't much. He lacks explosiveness.

Lol, Culver is not a better PnR handler. He is a better playmaker but clearly not a better PnR handler. Reddish is ranked as one of the best in the country at it even if Coach K doesnt use it often for anyone not named R.J. including Tre and Zion who also ranks high. You saying saying **** at this point, the synergy and the data doesn't match this either.

Lol, are you serious? Of course he is a shooter. He is a bucket getter. What the hell are you watching? I am not going to waste my time with you. Your eye test is clearly lacking. You might be the new Diesel in that regard. I still remember Diesel trying to convince me Chris Kaman and Emeka Okafor is better than Al Horford due to rebounding.

When you start saying stupid **** like he is not a shooter and there are better fits. I lose all interest in taking you serious on Cam Reddish. I just hope this is a thing of player interest and not your logic on players in general.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2319 » by observer1995 » Sat Apr 6, 2019 3:31 pm

I’ve said my piece here before, but you’re supposed to look at free throw percentage over three-point percentage with college players with the NBA line being deeper. If that were to bear out again, you’d probably see it come out to a mid-30s 3-point percentage immediately in the NBA with the possibility of projecting out to better, I’d say about 38-40% capped though.

However, that’s not really what I’ve looked at when talking about him. Maybe he becomes Paul George 3 years from now and I’ve been an idiot all along but right now if you draft him, you know you likely have a better 3 point shot than what we’ve seen because of free throw percentage, you know you have a tall and long guy (wait, based off the vs Orlando results over the full season and not just yesterday, we probably do need more lengthy guys), and you know you have a good defender. Everything else is a mystery. Potentially a terrifying mystery, or one that surprises and defies history.
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Post#2320 » by King Ken » Sat Apr 6, 2019 3:51 pm

observer1995 wrote:I’ve said my piece here before, but you’re supposed to look at free throw percentage over three-point percentage with college players with the NBA line being deeper. If that were to bear out again, you’d probably see it come out to a mid-30s 3-point percentage immediately in the NBA with the possibility of projecting out to better, I’d say about 38-40% capped though.

However, that’s not really what I’ve looked at when talking about him. Maybe he becomes Paul George 3 years from now and I’ve been an idiot all along but right now if you draft him, you know you likely have a better 3 point shot than what we’ve seen because of free throw percentage, you know you have a tall and long guy (wait, based off the vs Orlando results over the full season and not just yesterday, we probably do need more lengthy guys), and you know you have a good defender. Everything else is a mystery. Potentially a terrifying mystery, or one that surprises and defies history.

If he comes to the Hawks, you will look like an idiot in three years if not in year 1. I am telling you this as a Duke supporter who watched every Duke game twice this year. Outside of Bagley, I rarely push Duke guys to the Hawks as pros. This was a guy who was averaging at one point of the season 10 threes a game per36. That's Redick rare at 36%.

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