Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Onus]

Nets will be the only team that can offer him anything significant again next year. Everyone else is capped up from what I can tell.

Have you or someone else run the numbers, or is this a guess? Obviously, teams may be able to clear cap space next offseason that don't appear to have it now. Hard to say.

But I did read earlier today that the expectation is for the 2027 offseason to have quite a bit of free agent activity, with a lot of teams preparing to have cap space. So, maybe there's some truth to teams being locked up this offseason and planning to be in 2026.

I looked at spotrac and I think only 1 team has natural cap space. There are teams that can create cap space if they wanted to but will they do that for jk next year to sign him for more than the mle? Jks camp is thinking not which is why they want that 2nd year player option. Jks being a free agent in 27 is much better for him.

I’m truly curious at what happened that the front office is completely done with jk, that they’re willing to bring him back completely miserable trying to play for another contract in 26.

[statsman]

I’m truly curious at what happened that the front office is completely done with jk, that they’re willing to bring him back completely miserable trying to play for another contract in 26.

I'm curious, with Lacob being enamored with Kuminga starting on day 1, why the Warriors didn't offer a 3+ year contract this offseason. I get Kerr not wanting him there. Maybe MDJ and some of the stars too, despite what has been said publicly. But Lacob? I really wonder what he is thinking now.

[Onus]

I’m truly curious at what happened that the front office is completely done with jk, that they’re willing to bring him back completely miserable trying to play for another contract in 26.

I'm curious, with Lacob being enamored with Kuminga starting on day 1, why the Warriors didn't offer a 3+ year contract this offseason. I get Kerr not wanting him there. Maybe MDJ and some of the stars too, despite what has been said publicly. But Lacob? I really wonder what he is thinking now.

Yea it's really not much for us to offer the 3/63 that the kings offered.

I still feel like we're not going to like the offers at the deadline and we're going to pass on trading jk and we end up picking up his option. But their insistence to keep the team option is really telling.

I think Lacob still thinks highly of JK, which is why he's not on the kings currently. The offers were dog **** but we're really going to bring back someone who isn't going to be bought into the team and will be playing for himself so we can trade him at the deadline on one of Steph's last years, with possibly derailing the season and having to fight to avoid the play in again?

This is the same thing I said with Danny Ainge last year. The market is what other teams are willing to offer and sometimes it's best to just move off the player even though you don't think you're getting the most value. Because it's better to move on and head towards your ultimate goal rather doing this side quest of getting maximum value for a player.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Nets will be the only team that can offer him anything significant again next year. Everyone else is capped up from what I can tell.

Have you or someone else run the numbers, or is this a guess? Obviously, teams may be able to clear cap space next offseason that don't appear to have it now. Hard to say.

But I did read earlier today that the expectation is for the 2027 offseason to have quite a bit of free agent activity, with a lot of teams preparing to have cap space. So, maybe there's some truth to teams being locked up this offseason and planning to be in 2026.

I looked at spotrac and I think only 1 team has natural cap space. There are teams that can create cap space if they wanted to but will they do that for jk next year to sign him for more than the mle? Jks camp is thinking not which is why they want that 2nd year player option. Jks being a free agent in 27 is much better for him.

I’m truly curious at what happened that the front office is completely done with jk, that they’re willing to bring him back completely miserable trying to play for another contract in 26.

Only person that carries that much weight is steph.

[EvanZ]

The way I look at this is the FO has zero incentive to move off their stance right now. The only value JK has left is if he is on a tradable contract and that means a 2nd year TO and waiving the NTC. If he's not amenable to those terms, then there's really nothing to talk about. Let him take the QO and sit him all year.

[Onus]

Have you or someone else run the numbers, or is this a guess? Obviously, teams may be able to clear cap space next offseason that don't appear to have it now. Hard to say.

But I did read earlier today that the expectation is for the 2027 offseason to have quite a bit of free agent activity, with a lot of teams preparing to have cap space. So, maybe there's some truth to teams being locked up this offseason and planning to be in 2026.

I looked at spotrac and I think only 1 team has natural cap space. There are teams that can create cap space if they wanted to but will they do that for jk next year to sign him for more than the mle? Jks camp is thinking not which is why they want that 2nd year player option. Jks being a free agent in 27 is much better for him.

I’m truly curious at what happened that the front office is completely done with jk, that they’re willing to bring him back completely miserable trying to play for another contract in 26.

Only person that carries that much weight is steph.

Oh that's interesting but then why are they still bringing jk back? With the possibility of the season starting off poorly

[Onus]

The way I look at this is the FO has zero incentive to move off their stance right now. The only value JK has left is if he is on a tradable contract and that means a 2nd year TO and waiving the NTC. If he's not amenable to those terms, then there's really nothing to talk about. Let him take the QO and sit him all year.

Yup JK isn't getting what he wants. He either plays for 22M for 1 year or plays for 8M for 1 year. It's really not a tough choice. JK wants that 2nd year because he doesn't actually want to be a free agent next year. It just depends on how long does JK want to draw this out for.

Maybe if the warriors want to get this done earlier they can guarantee 8M of year 2 that way JK still gets 22M next year if he signs the mle next year? But then that makes his contract harder to trade so what incentive do we have to offer that? Really the only leverage jk has is delaying signing and if the other free agents are willing to wait then jk's leverage isn't going to work until 10/1. So I doubt we would guarantee part of the 2nd year.

[whatisacenter]

The way I look at this is the FO has zero incentive to move off their stance right now. The only value JK has left is if he is on a tradable contract and that means a 2nd year TO and waiving the NTC. If he's not amenable to those terms, then there's really nothing to talk about. Let him take the QO and sit him all year.

What incentive does JK have to move off his stance?

[Onus]

The way I look at this is the FO has zero incentive to move off their stance right now. The only value JK has left is if he is on a tradable contract and that means a 2nd year TO and waiving the NTC. If he's not amenable to those terms, then there's really nothing to talk about. Let him take the QO and sit him all year.

What incentive does JK have to move off his stance?

14M

[xdrta+]

The way I look at this is the FO has zero incentive to move off their stance right now. The only value JK has left is if he is on a tradable contract and that means a 2nd year TO and waiving the NTC. If he's not amenable to those terms, then there's really nothing to talk about. Let him take the QO and sit him all year.

What incentive does JK have to move off his stance?

Exactly. He's got 7 weeks to make a decision. Do the Warriors really want to wait that long?

[EvanZ]

The way I look at this is the FO has zero incentive to move off their stance right now. The only value JK has left is if he is on a tradable contract and that means a 2nd year TO and waiving the NTC. If he's not amenable to those terms, then there's really nothing to talk about. Let him take the QO and sit him all year.

What incentive does JK have to move off his stance?

If only there was a word which described a transfer of value from one party to another based on their work. Hmm...let me think about it. It's on the tip of my tongue.

Oh, right. It's called MONEY. A lot of money. Not just the extra $14M this season but he's literally better off going to any other team in the NBA this season via trade and that can't/won't happen on the QO. Logically, business-wise, he should take the deal the Warriors are offering even if he feels butt hurt about it.

[Old_Blue]

The way I look at this is the FO has zero incentive to move off their stance right now. The only value JK has left is if he is on a tradable contract and that means a 2nd year TO and waiving the NTC. If he's not amenable to those terms, then there's really nothing to talk about. Let him take the QO and sit him all year.

Yup JK isn't getting what he wants. He either plays for 22M for 1 year or plays for 8M for 1 year. It's really not a tough choice. JK wants that 2nd year because he doesn't actually want to be a free agent next year. It just depends on how long does JK want to draw this out for.

Maybe if the warriors want to get this done earlier they can guarantee 8M of year 2 that way JK still gets 22M next year if he signs the mle next year? But then that makes his contract harder to trade so what incentive do we have to offer that? Really the only leverage jk has is delaying signing and if the other free agents are willing to wait then jk's leverage isn't going to work until 10/1. So I doubt we would guarantee part of the 2nd year.

At this point, all Kuminga is doing is proving to the entire League that he's a flake who's not really interested in developing his game. Sign for a number that'll allow you to be moved. Go wherever and do your thing. Enter free agency in two years when you're 24. The way he's behaving now though makes you wonder if Kuminga thinks this is his last decent payday. Has he got that little confidence in himself?

[xdrta+]

At this point, all Kuminga is doing is proving to the entire League that he's a flake.....

Why is he a flake? There's 3 other big name RFAs that are in a holding patten with no end in sight also...are they all flakes?

[EvanZ]

At this point, all Kuminga is doing is proving to the entire League that he's a flake.....

Why is he a flake? There's 3 other big name RFAs that are in a holding patten with no end in sight also...are they all flakes?

Most likely, yes. You know who isn't a flake? Moses Moody who got his deal done a year ago.

[Onus]

At this point, all Kuminga is doing is proving to the entire League that he's a flake.....

Why is he a flake? There's 3 other big name RFAs that are in a holding patten with no end in sight also...are they all flakes?

Cam Thomas is definitely delusional. Grimes has been traded like 3 times because no one wanted to give him an extension that he was looking for. Giddey was also traded because OKC didn't think they would be able to re-sign him. These the other 3 big name RFAs you're comparing to JK?

[xdrta+]

At this point, all Kuminga is doing is proving to the entire League that he's a flake.....

Why is he a flake? There's 3 other big name RFAs that are in a holding patten with no end in sight also...are they all flakes?

Cam Thomas is definitely delusional. Grimes has been traded like 3 times because no one wanted to give him an extension that he was looking for. Giddey was also traded because OKC didn't think they would be able to re-sign him. These the other 3 big name RFAs you're comparing to JK?

Yeah, I get it. Players negotiating for bigger and better contracts are delusional and/or flakes. Players who are traded because their teams wouldn't re-sign them are flakes. Sounds like the whole league is full of flakes.

[Onus]

Why is he a flake? There's 3 other big name RFAs that are in a holding patten with no end in sight also...are they all flakes?

Cam Thomas is definitely delusional. Grimes has been traded like 3 times because no one wanted to give him an extension that he was looking for. Giddey was also traded because OKC didn't think they would be able to re-sign him. These the other 3 big name RFAs you're comparing to JK?

Yeah, I get it. Players negotiating for bigger and better contracts are delusional and/or flakes. Players who are traded because their teams wouldn't re-sign them are flakes. Sounds like the whole league is full of flakes.

Flakes or unrealistic about what their value is in this league? I'm not sure what he meant by flake but all 4 are being unrealistic about their current values in the new cba. Though JK is probably the most realistic, he just wants the security of a 2nd year even though he doesn't want to be here anymore.

[whatisacenter]

The way I look at this is the FO has zero incentive to move off their stance right now. The only value JK has left is if he is on a tradable contract and that means a 2nd year TO and waiving the NTC. If he's not amenable to those terms, then there's really nothing to talk about. Let him take the QO and sit him all year.

What incentive does JK have to move off his stance?

If only there was a word which described a transfer of value from one party to another based on their work. Hmm...let me think about it. It's on the tip of my tongue.

Oh, right. It's called MONEY. A lot of money. Not just the extra $14M this season but he's literally better off going to any other team in the NBA this season via trade and that can't/won't happen on the QO. Logically, business-wise, he should take the deal the Warriors are offering even if he feels butt hurt about it.

I must have missed the part where the FO told JK the to accept the deal tomorrow or it was going away.

[CS707]

JK wants some control even if it seems marginal to you. He would be betting on himself with the QO and have some agency in regards to potential teams he would accept a trade to.

He’s not betting on himself. He’s betting on the Warriors to be a willing partner in providing him the opportunity to bet on himself next season. The organization isn’t going to sit him out of spite but they’re also not going to make any special effort to showcase him either like they would if he were tradeable. Taking the QO means he has to do exactly what Kerr asks AND produce in that role to get PT. He’d be smarter to take the money and the mutual investment it buys him from the organization.

Fine, change the team option to a player option and he would probably sign.

I'm sure he would, but what's the real incentive for the organization? It's essentially paying over twice the QO for a one year contract for a little more flexibility in trading him at the deadline at the risk of being stuck with him for another year if a deal doesn't materialize. At the very minimum, there's no need to rush getting to that offer. He has much more at stake here than the organization. The Warriors can afford to go into the season with him on the QO. Kuminga cannot afford to go into the season with no real investment from the organization, which is exactly the situation playing on the QO creates for him.

[Onus]

JK taking the QO really isn't even that bad. The biggest thing is that we lose the salary slot, but JK's value is 2 2nds so him taking the QO just means we lose out on 2 2nds whatever. This is why the warriors won't be conceding anything to JK. They already are paying JK the highest 1st year salary.