Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 9

[PowerPhil15]

if drummound falls to us, i take him. BPA like usual. Roll with Bargnani/Drummound/Val and vets.

use Ed and Amir as trade bait, along with calderones expiring to pick up a legit wing instead of in the draft

[Garmfay]

To add, Lamb is ranked late lottery and will likely stay there, I don't even understand why he is in the discussion for a Top 6 pick where we will likely draft.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ watching that video makes me excited about Drummond's potential. Andre's probably got the highest ceiling of anyone in this draft, and after seeing what he's been able to do with Bargs this year, I think Casey could help motivate and get the best out of him. He really seems to have solid handles for a big man, and he already has excellent size and athleticism for the NBA. Definitely far from a polished prospect, but the talent is definitely there imo.

[Rapsfan07]

Athleticism: 1) Lamb 2) MKG 3) Barnes 4) Beal
Size: 1) Barnes 2) Lamb 3) MKG 4) Beal
Defense: 1) MKG 2) Beal 3) Lamb 4) Barnes
Strength: 1) Beal 2) Barnes 3) MKG 4) Lamb
Quickness: 1) Lamb 2) Beal 3) MKG 4) Barnes
Leadership: 1) MKG 2) Beal 3) Barnes 4) Lamb
Jump shot: 1) Lamb 2) Barnes 3) Beal 4) MKG
NBA ready: 1) Barnes 2) Lamb 3) MKG 4) Beal
Ball handling: 1) Lamb 2) Beal 3) Barnes 4) MKG
Potential: 1) Lamb 2) Barnes 3) Beal 4) MKG
Passing: 1) Beal 2) MKG 3) Lamb 4) Barnes
Intangibles: 1) MKG 2) Beal 3) Barnes 4) Lamb

Athleticism: 1) Lamb 2) MKG 3)Beal 4)Barnes
Size: 1) Barnes 2) Lamb 3) MKG 4) Beal
Defense: 1) MKG 2) Beal 3) Lamb 4) Barnes
Strength: 1) Beal 2) Barnes 3) MKG 4) Lamb
Quickness: 1) Beal 2) Lamb 3) MKG 4) Barnes
Leadership: 1) MKG 2) Beal 3) Barnes 4) Lamb
Jump shot: 1) Beal 2) Barnes 3) Lamb 4) MKG
NBA ready: 1) Barnes 2) Lamb 3) Beal 4) MKG <---I think they're all NBA ready
Ball handling: 1) Beal 2) Lamb3) MKG 4) Barnes
Potential: 1)Beal 2) Lamb 3) Barnes 4) MKG
Passing: 1) Beal 2) MKG 3) Lamb 4) Barnes
Intangibles: 1) MKG 2) Beal 3) Barnes 4) Lamb

Kidd-Gilchrist: 1sts - 3, 2nds - 2, 3rds - 5, 4ths -3
Barnes: 1sts - 2, 2nds - 2, 3rds - 3, 4ths - 5
Lamb: 1sts - 1, 2nds - 5, 3rds - 3, 4th - 3
Beal: 1sts - 6, 2nds - 3rds - 2, 4ths -1

IMO the best players/best careers will be Beal, Lamb, Barnes, Gilchirst then Barnes. However, I'd go Barnes over Gilchrist since I think he's got more potential.

[sunny]

if someone could post the PER''s and pace adjusted stats for the top 8 prospects, it would be much appreciated.

Here's a spreadsheet I have with most of the 1st round prospects in this draft, and some of their advanced stats:
Link

I don't have pace-adjusted numbers there, but I do have ORtg/DRtg. I can add the per36 numbers as well.

This is DX's top 8, along with their PERs:

1. Davis - 35.4
2. Drummond - 21.9
3. MKG - 21.4
4. Robinson - 28
5. Beal - 22
6. Sullinger - 30.9
7. Barnes - 21.7
8. Henson - 25

thank you so much!

[Rapsfan07]

^^ watching that video makes me excited about Drummond's potential. He's probably got the highest ceiling of anyone in this draft, and after seeing what he's been able to do with Bargs this year, I think Casey could help motivate and get the best out of him. He really seems to have solid handles for a big man, and he already has excellent size and athleticism for the NBA. Definitely far from a polished prospect, but the talent is definitely there imo.

I agree. I've always been rooting for Drummond even when he doesn't impress. I just feel like as a up and coming team, we can't afford to pass on potential as big as Drummonds. If you're gonna take a risk, it may as well be on a guy like him. He stands to have the biggest payout if we're right and if we're wrong, he's DeAndre Jordan v. 2.0...still a solid piece that can be moved if necessary. I think Casey can get through to him.

My Board:
Davis
Beal
Drummond/Barnes
Drummond/Barnes

If you don't want to gamble and you want a big, you go with Sullinger. If you don't want to gamble but want a wing, you go Lamb.

[ty123]

Drummond is too much potential to pass up on. Though he may end up getting a gm fired.

[Undefeated]

What do you mean by Jeremy Lamb can't create his own offense? Hands down, Lamb is probably one of the best iso players in this draft class. Too bad we couldn't see more because of friggin' ball hog Shabrick Napier and Ryan Boatwright.

[ItsDanger]

Dont like how this draft might unfold for the Raps. Some of these guys dont impress me much. MKG looks decent but not crazy about using a top 5 pick on him with the rest of this roster. We need someone who can create off the dribble at the 1, 2 or 3. I predict BC will trade this pick. Maybe multiple deals. If we take MKG, Demar has to go for someone who can hit the 3.

[JYD]

What do you mean by Jeremy Lamb can't create his own offense? Hands down, Lamb is probably one of the best iso players in this draft class. Too bad we couldn't see more because of friggin' ball hog Shabrick Napier and Ryan Boatwright.

Yep, Lamb and Beal can create their own offense, MKG and Barnes not so much.

I prefer Lamb...just like the smoothness with how he plays and he fact he has the potential to be excellent defensively with his huge wingspan.

Out of the 4, Lamb is the name that stands out to me, followed by MKG (good all-round player), Beal (but may be too small to defend SG well), then Barnes (probably a solid player but nothing special).

Beal is a guy I have to check out more, but Barnes is not on my wish list at all.

[Undefeated]

I remember someone doing a power ranking a few months back, so it should be interesting what has changed now since we've got a better look at some of these prospects since March Madness is wrapping up. Top 7 prospects if you were drafting for the Raptors. Points will be accumulated.

1) Anthony Davis
2) Harrison Barnes
3) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4) Bradley Beal
5) Jeremy Lamb
6) Thomas Robinsion
7) Andre Drummond

[Garmfay]

1) Anthony Davis
2) Harrison Barnes
3) Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4) Royce White (Haters gonna Hate)
5) Kendall Marshall
6) Andre Drummond
7) Brad Beal

Lamb is the Kemba Walker of last year. Overhyped by Raptors fan when everyone else in the league doesn't value him as a top 6 pick.

[fredericklove]

To add, Lamb is ranked late lottery and will likely stay there, I don't even understand why he is in the discussion for a Top 6 pick where we will likely draft.

When you say to "add" that he's ranked late, that's because his tourney was pretty much done too early thus scouts put his stock down while raving other stocks (Beal, T-Rob) up cos they showed a better performance in the tourney. When it comes to draft combine/workout, Lamb's stock will inevitably rise again due to his skillset and wingspan. Wanna sig bet with me? I say Lamb will go top 6 on draft day.

[Rapsfan07]

What do you mean by Jeremy Lamb can't create his own offense? Hands down, Lamb is probably one of the best iso players in this draft class. Too bad we couldn't see more because of friggin' ball hog Shabrick Napier and Ryan Boatwright.

Yep, Lamb and Beal can create their own offense, MKG and Barnes not so much.

I prefer Lamb...just like the smoothness with how he plays and he fact he has the potential to be excellent defensively with his huge wingspan.

Out of the 4, Lamb is the name that stands out to me, followed by MKG (good all-round player), Beal (but may be too small to defend SG well), then Barnes (probably a solid player but nothing special).

Beal is a guy I have to check out more, but Barnes is not on my wish list at all.

You gotta check out Beal. If you like Eric Gordon, you'll like Beal. That kid's a star in the making.

I think MKG and Barnes have fallen on my wishlist

To add, Lamb is ranked late lottery and will likely stay there, I don't even understand why he is in the discussion for a Top 6 pick where we will likely draft.

When you say to "add" that he's ranked late, that's because his tourney was pretty much done too early thus scouts put his stock down while raving other stocks (Beal, T-Rob) up cos they showed a better performance in the tourney. When it comes to draft combine/workout, Lamb's stock will inevitably rise again due to his skillset and wingspan. Wanna sig bet with me? I say Lamb will go top 6 on draft day.

I'm with Fredrick on this one.... Lamb is severely underrated because of the way the team played and the ballhogs on the team. I don't know about # but I'm sure Lamb goes no later than #7. I'm very very VERY sure about that.

[Indeed]

Athleticism: 1) Lamb 2) MKG 3) Barnes 4) Beal
Size: 1) Barnes 2) Lamb 3) MKG 4) Beal
Defense: 1) MKG 2) Beal 3) Lamb 4) Barnes
Strength: 1) Beal 2) Barnes 3) MKG 4) Lamb
Quickness: 1) Lamb 2) Beal 3) MKG 4) Barnes
Leadership: 1) MKG 2) Beal 3) Barnes 4) Lamb
Jump shot: 1) Lamb 2) Barnes 3) Beal 4) MKG
NBA ready: 1) Barnes 2) Lamb 3) MKG 4) Beal
Ball handling: 1) Lamb 2) Beal 3) Barnes 4) MKG
Potential: 1) Lamb 2) Barnes 3) Beal 4) MKG
Passing: 1) Beal 2) MKG 3) Lamb 4) Barnes
Intangibles: 1) MKG 2) Beal 3) Barnes 4) Lamb

Athleticism: 1) Lamb 2) MKG 3)Beal 4)Barnes
Size: 1) Barnes 2) Lamb 3) MKG 4) Beal
Defense: 1) MKG 2) Lamb 3) Barnes 4) Beal
Strength: 1) Beal 2) Barnes 3) MKG 4) Lamb
Quickness: 1) Lamb 2) MKG 3) Beal 4) Barnes
Leadership: 1) Beal 2) MKG 3) Lamb 4) Barnes
Jump shot: 1) Beal 2) Barnes 3) Lamb 4) MKG <-- Marginally better between 1, 2, 3
NBA ready: 1) Beal 2) Barnes 3) MKG 4) Lamb <-- No difference between strength
Ball handling: 1) Lamb 2) Beal 3) MKG 4) Barnes
Potential: 1) Barnes 2) Lamb 3)Beal 4) MKG <-- I thought we are ranking potential
Passing: 1) Beal 2) MKG 3) Lamb 4) Barnes
Intangibles: 1) MKG 2) Beal 3) Barnes 4) Lamb

Kidd-Gilchrist: 1sts - 3, 2nds - 2, 3rds - 5, 4ths -3
Barnes: 1sts - 2, 2nds - 2, 3rds - 3, 4ths - 5
Lamb: 1sts - 1, 2nds - 5, 3rds - 3, 4th - 3
Beal: 1sts - 6, 2nds - 3rds - 2, 4ths -1

IMO the best players/best careers will be Beal, Lamb, Barnes, Gilchirst then Barnes. However, I'd go Barnes over Gilchrist since I think he's got more potential.

I like Beal, but he is overrated. His physical attribute is not that great. (shooting as a tie in 2nd)
Lamb - 1st (3), 2nd (4)
Barnes - 1st (2), 2nd (2)
MKD - 1st (2), 2nd (4)
Beal - 1st (3), 2nd (3)

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

This is my ranking in terms of potential (and likeliness of achieving it):

1. Davis
2. Drummond
3. Lamb
4. Leonard
5. Mitchell
6. Harkless
7. P. Jones

You could sub in Quincy Miller somewhere in there, but I'm not sure he declares.

[Garmfay]

To add, Lamb is ranked late lottery and will likely stay there, I don't even understand why he is in the discussion for a Top 6 pick where we will likely draft.

When you say to "add" that he's ranked late, that's because his tourney was pretty much done too early thus scouts put his stock down while raving other stocks (Beal, T-Rob) up cos they showed a better performance in the tourney. When it comes to draft combine/workout, Lamb's stock will inevitably rise again due to his skillset and wingspan. Wanna sig bet with me? I say Lamb will go top 6 on draft day.

I don't do sig bets. His tourney was done early cause he didn't show up. You want to draft a guy who doesn't play well on the biggest stage? Sure you can say there is a bunch of ball hogs on UCONN. If hes that great of a player he should have tried to take control of the team but he just faded away. I can tell you one thing, BC ain't taking a guy whos effort is in questioned after the treatment of Ed Davis right now

[fredericklove]

Dont like how this draft might unfold for the Raps. Some of these guys dont impress me much. MKG looks decent but not crazy about using a top 5 pick on him with the rest of this roster. We need someone who can create off the dribble at the 1, 2 or 3. I predict BC will trade this pick. Maybe multiple deals. If we take MKG, Demar has to go for someone who can hit the 3.

You can argue that bold statement with Barnes and MKG but Beal or Lamb can absolutely create off the dribble, and they happen to play at the 2. This is what you needed right? And they are there in the draft. None of the four impresses you, wow, you're severely picky there.

[ty123]

Drawing accolades as one of the most talented young players in America since he was in 8th grade, Tony Wroten finally landed on the college basketball landscape and had a solid overall season for the Washington Huskies, prominently displaying both his many well defined strengths and weaknesses all year long. Washington's NCAA tournament hopes ended prematurely with a loss in the Pac-12 Tournament quarterfinals to Oregon State, and it couldn't have happened in a worse way for Wroten, who played a spectacular second half but missed four consecutive free throws in the closing possessions of the 86-84 game.

Standing somewhere between 6-5 and 6-6 with a solid frame, good length, and very good overall athleticism, Tony Wroten has a great set of tools for the shooting guard position, and even better one for a combo or point guard. Wroten plays with a very aggressive mentality on the offensive end, taking full advantage of his physical attributes at this level.

Wroten's offensive game revolves heavily on his ability to attack the basket off the dribble, both in the half court and transition. He's a very ball dominant player who sees the majority of his looks in isolations or pick-and-rolls, being a Tyreke Evans-esqe force at times lowering his shoulder and barreling his way into the lane.

Wroten has excellent ability to get to the rim at this level, having a strong first step, terrific ability to change speeds and directions with the ball, strong ball-handling ability, great instincts in the lane, and a mean streak going hard to the basket, as evidenced by his excellent 7.8 free throw attempts compared to just 13.1 field goal attempts per-game. His ability to create his own shot is an incredibly coveted skill in today's NBA, and is something that would likely translate over fairly quickly despite his young age.

Wroten does have one major Achilles heel with his dribble drive game, however, and that's his very deficient right hand, which he struggles with when both creating and finishing. While Wroten starts a good deal of his drives heading right, he does so predominantly to set up opportunities to go back left. On the occasions he does go all the way to the basket with his right hand, he invariably attempts to finish with his left, usually with poor results. In isolations charted by Synergy Sports Technology this season, Wroten is scoring a very strong 0.98 points per possession on drives going left compared to just 0.66 going right, a very wide disparity that most coaches in the Pac-12 caught onto very quickly, even if they did not always have the personnel to take advantage of it.

Holding a consistent size and athleticism advantage over most of his matchups at this level and not usually facing NBA-caliber help defenders in the paint, Wroten is able to consistently overcome his one-sided dribble-drive game, but may face more problems in the NBA, especially against well-coached defensive teams. On the other hand, the more well-spaced and isolation/pick-and-roll oriented NBA is also undoubtedly a better fit for his game stylistically, so that could offset some of his other issues.

Wroten does bring another plus offensive skill to the table, however, and that is his excellent court vision and passing ability, even though this also comes with some problems. While Wroten possesses superb ability to see the floor and make many difficult passes on drive-and-dishes or when splitting double teams, it isn't something he consistently utilizes. While Wroten is averaging a solid 3.6 assists per-game on the season, he's also averaging an awful 3.9 turnovers per-game and 0.22 turnovers per-possession. Wroten is prone to frequently making lackluster passes that are easily picked off, not showing urgency and focus consistently in this area of his game. While Wroten has ample tools to play the point guard position in terms of his size, court vision and ball-handling, he's never consistently shown the ability to run a team's offense and balance his game.


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I would love if BC decided to take a risk on Wroten.

[ty123]

On paper, this has not been a terribly impressive season for Bradley Beal, widely considered one of the top freshmen prospects in college basketball.

He hasn't been a very prolific (17 points per-40) or efficient (50% EFG%) scorer, mainly due to his struggles shooting the ball from beyond the arc.

Nevertheless, Beal's draft stock has remained steady all season, as he occasionally shows flashes of being able to make plays that only elite level talents can, but just not consistently yet.

Standing somewhere between 6-4 and 6-5, Beal has decent size for a NBA shooting guard, to go along with a solid frame and average length. While not possessing rim-rocking explosiveness, he's an extremely smooth and fluid athlete with excellent mobility.

Despite being considered one of the best shooters in his high school class, Beal has struggled to hit jumpers consistently all season. Nearly half of his field goal attempts have come from 3-point range, but he's able to connect on just 33% of them thus far. Looking at his mechanics, there's very little not to like about his shooting form, as he gets great elevation, possesses a consistent release point, shows excellent follow-through, and has range that extends well beyond the college 3-point line.

Despite the inconsistent results, it's difficult not to see Beal developing into a very good NBA 3-point shooter in time, especially considering his reportedly stellar work ethic and the fact that this has always been the strongest part of his game. He will need to confirm that in private NBA workouts, but his 33% accuracy rate is likely the lowest percentage he'll shoot his entire career from the 3-point line.

While his perimeter shooting has been a disappointment, Beal's ball-handling and playmaking skills appear to have improved significantly over the past year or so. Extremely effective in transition, Beal can create for himself and others in smooth and effortless fashion off the dribble with his ability to change speeds and put the ball on the floor with either hand.


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