2013 NBA draft prospects chatter

James Gatz · Post #241 » by **James Gatz** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 9:42 pm

2012 - Top 14 Protected - Charlotte kept it
2013 - Top 12 Protected
2014 - Top 10 Protected
2015 - Top 8 Protected
2016 - Unprotected

If they want a top pick, it would have to be in 2016. Imagine us getting 3 more lottery picks before 2016, and think "how valuable would that team's pick be". I wouldn't bet on us still missing the playoffs that year...

EDIT: And we have 2 extra first round picks coming in those years from Portland and Detroit.

so I'd ask again, what would it take to get the rights back? Would it be worth pursuing?

It isn't worth pursuing because CHI won't see it as a middling round pick. Even if that's what it ends up being.

JT2006 · Post #242 » by **JT2006** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 11:45 pm

James Gatz wrote:
2012 - Top 14 Protected - Charlotte kept it
2013 - Top 12 Protected
2014 - Top 10 Protected
2015 - Top 8 Protected
2016 - Unprotected

If they want a top pick, it would have to be in 2016. Imagine us getting 3 more lottery picks before 2016, and think "how valuable would that team's pick be". I wouldn't bet on us still missing the playoffs that year...

EDIT: And we have 2 extra first round picks coming in those years from Portland and Detroit.

so I'd ask again, what would it take to get the rights back? Would it be worth pursuing?

It isn't worth pursuing because CHI won't see it as a middling round pick. Even if that's what it ends up being.

CHI =/= the bulls board.

James Gatz · Post #243 » by **James Gatz** » Sun Dec 9, 2012 11:48 pm

CHI =/= the bulls board.

Obviously but there is still no guarantee, despite our hopes, that we won't be a bottom 5 team when the pick becomes unprotected. So naturally the bulls front office would value it more than we'd be willing to give up.

JT2006 · Post #244 » by **JT2006** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:01 am

James Gatz wrote:
CHI =/= the bulls board.

Obviously but there is still no guarantee, despite our hopes, that we won't be a bottom 5 team when the pick becomes unprotected. So naturally the bulls front office would value it more than we'd be willing to give up.

Well that's the reason we both value it. That's the source of a trade, really. So who are the rights worth more to? Us, to give us flexibility in trading down the line, as well as not losing a (probably) mid round pick? Or them, with a chance (let's say 35% to be generous) of a top 5 pick in 2015, and a (let's say 65% to continue this) chance of a mid-later round pick? If we value it more highly than they do, we should start looking at our assets and see if we have something they'd rather have. If not, stand pat I guess. I was just thinking out loud.

Kembastockton · Post #245 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:04 am

I debated the pick with Chicago fans for like two and a half pages recently. They value the pick more than we do. I tried to convince them that with our teams maturation that there was no way that we would be bad long enough for them to use this pick top five. A good number of them honestly believe that the pick will be made top five eventually. They have no faith in our improvement, and are sure that we will still be bottom feeding when they get the pick. Some actually believe we will be bad long enough for the protection to completely wear off. They brought up how long Milwuakee and Minnesota were bad as examples. Others believe that even if the pick falls outside the lottery it will still be high enough for them to use it in a deal to move up. Very few of them have any interest in trading the pick back to us. Those that do are interested in a deal for Hendo.

SWedd523 · Post #246 » by **SWedd523** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:12 am

Larger "recap" later, but Ben McLemore and Kansas are about to play on ESPN. Wouldn't hurt to take a look!

SWedd523 · Post #247 » by **SWedd523** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:29 am

McLemore finished with 17 points (on only 7 shots), 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block

Tim Hardaway Jr went for 25 points (7-12) 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals

Kembastockton · Post #248 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:53 pm

Anybody else starting to lean towards letting Chicago have this pick?

James Gatz · Post #249 » by **James Gatz** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:59 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:Anybody else starting to lean towards letting Chicago have this pick?

No. Top 5 pick in a weak draft > middling pick in an average draft.

Liver_Pooty · Post #250 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:02 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:Anybody else starting to lean towards letting Chicago have this pick?

No.

Kembastockton · Post #251 » by **Kembastockton** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:45 pm

Just asking. :lol:

Liver_Pooty · Post #252 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:26 pm

Nerlens Noel is slowly looking better.

JT2006 · Post #253 » by **JT2006** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:39 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Nerlens Noel is slowly looking better.

Him taking Rondo's steals record would be quite an achievement for a big man.

catch20two · Post #254 » by **catch20two** » Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:18 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Nerlens Noel is slowly looking better.

Keep that on the hush. I hope if we're in position to draft Noel and he's the BPA that we could package Biz for something noteworthy. There wouldn't serve much purpose to have both of them on our roster being that their style of play is so similar. Trust it hurt me to post that because I'm one of the more optimistic Biz followers but Noel is more athletic and probably a better all-around defender. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to have them both start at PF and C. That would be a defensive experiment worth trying.

Kembastockton · Post #255 » by **Kembastockton** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:58 pm

Nerlens is nice, but right now I don't know if I would trade Biz in a package to move up for him. He has just not shown to be that spectacular yet. He probably is better than Biz right now. But he is also probably closer to his ceiling as well. Not to mention his offensive game is every bit as raw as Biz's. If we got the Portland pick this year I am not sure I would trade it to move up for him. I am too intrigued with the nine through 15 projections this year. I think I would rather add some combination of Archie Goodwin, Micheal Carter-Williams, Tony Mitchell, Glenn Robinson, and Mason Plumley to our bench than Nerlens Noel to our starting line up. I know his ceiling is low, but Mason is ready to help a team right now. Personally I think his game is tailor made to compliment Kemba's. A good passing rebounder who can step out, and score in the paint is just what we need right now. To bad Portland is likely to finish 5-10 right along with us.

Post #256 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:33 pm

I want to draft someone smart. We need smart players on this team. Smart like Jared Dudley smart. I don't want any athletes with a whole lot of show but no substance.

We need to increase the BBIQ on this team and with this draft looking pretty soft I want to walk away with a smart player.

Might not be the bes playert, but i want them to be smart.

SWedd523 · Post #257 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:53 pm

This draft seems low-ish on guys who "always do the right thing"

Zeller, Carter-Williams, McLemore, Trey Burke, Marcus Smart, and mayyybe Alex Poythress are the guys on DX's mock who have stood out as intelligent players who make the right choice. Three of them are PGs.

Guys like Bazz, Noel, Austin, Goodwin, Plumlee, Mitchell, and others seem to be either lower end BBIQ guys or selfish overall.

Badd_Intentions · Post #258 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:55 pm

I would be ok with Zeller or Noel at this point. Man, Biz has A LOT of improving to do. He shows flashes but we need someone that the opposing team at least has to guard on the offensive end. Biz's main issue is hands, half the time he misses out on easy buckets b/c he fumbles the ball away and teammates are reluctant to feed him while he's moving.

I know Zeller and Noel can at least finish around the rim most of the time. Would be nice to have at least 1 post scoring threat on this team.

Post #259 » by **Diop** » Thu Dec 20, 2012 11:58 pm

DX is in Europe at the moment and says he has been very impressed, could be a good place to find a high IQ player.

mrknowitall215 · Post #260 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:40 am

Sachmo wrote:DX is in Europe at the moment and says he has been very impressed, could be a good place to find a high IQ player.

Rudy Gobert might be the 'Cats answer to their frontcourt problems as a skilled big with shot blocking prowess. He might need to put a couple pounds on, but once he's filled out he could very well be the player that can make a serious impact on both ends of the court.