Gamethread #10- Orlando Magic (3-6) vs. Atlanta Hawks (4-4)

AdamTheGreek · Post #241 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:16 am

Encouraging finish to a game that saw the starters only score 32 points. 5 straight games at home are coming before 5 straight on the road.

glove1989 · Post #242 » by **glove1989** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:19 am

I'm extremely worried when harrington and turk come back. Thats two more guys that get minutes and two guys that have a reputation of slacking sometimes. When they come back hark, nicholson, and jones wont see the court.

KillMonger · Post #243 » by **KillMonger** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:24 am

Have to get Vuc more touches because he worked so hard on the boards and defensively with great hedges up at the top of the key. To see him constantly get frozen out of the play frustrated me to no end because he was getting great position on the block and it was 1 on 1. Meer might be sick so i'll give him a pass more or less but there is a reason why i'm keeping an eye on Point Guards this NCAA season. His decision making tonight wasn't great at all and he settles way too much for bullsh#t heat check shots that he has no business taking.

just saying guys Nelson is going to be on the wrong side of 30 real soon and already missed some games might want to look into scouting some PG prospects with some of the mid first round picks we will most likely be picking up through trade this year. Myck Kobongo, Lorenzo Brown, Marcus Smart, CJ McCollum just to name a few lol

thelead · Post #244 » by **thelead** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:25 am

glove1989 wrote:I'm extremely worried when harrington and turk come back. Thats two more guys that get minutes and two guys that have a reputation of slacking sometimes. When they come back hark, nicholson, and jones wont see the court.

Too many players are playing already. Some players are only getting 5 minute stints. How can you expect someone to get into a rhythm and get anything done in that amount of time.

glove1989 · Post #245 » by **glove1989** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:29 am

thelead wrote:
glove1989 wrote:I'm extremely worried when harrington and turk come back. Thats two more guys that get minutes and two guys that have a reputation of slacking sometimes. When they come back hark, nicholson, and jones wont see the court.

Too many players are playing already. Some players are only getting 5 minute stints. How can you expect someone to get into a rhythm and get anything done in that amount of time.

I agree. We need a 9 man rotation, I just want those minutes to the guys who hustle, play defense, and dont play hero ball. And two more veterans being showcased for trades means those minutes go to them not the young guys. I can deal with losses if we hustle. Not what I saw in the game tonight.

KillMonger · Post #246 » by **KillMonger** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:31 am

I just don't understand why Gustavo is getting minutes no amount of passing is going to excuse the kind of defense he's playing i'm sorry. Just for that alone Kyle should be getting his minutes at least kyle likes to mix it up and is known for his defense. Just please coach i'm begging you no more Gustavo honestly i think he touched the ball more than Vuc did it was straight horror. I still can't get that atrocious running Hook or whatever that was Gustavo threw up out of my mind

NickAnderson · Post #247 » by **NickAnderson** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:37 am

Why is everyone complaining about rotations? It's been 10 fuggin games, JV doesn't know much yet.

backasswards · Post #248 » by **backasswards** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:40 am

NickAnderson wrote:Why is everyone complaining about rotations? It's been 10 fuggin games, JV doesn't know much yet.

Pretty much this. Some guys here would bench someone for an entire season after a few bad games.

GameOver25 · Post #249 » by **GameOver25** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:42 am

NickAnderson wrote:Why is everyone complaining about rotations? It's been 10 fuggin games, JV doesn't know much yet.

glove1989 · Post #250 » by **glove1989** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:46 am

backasswards wrote:
NickAnderson wrote:Why is everyone complaining about rotations? It's been 10 fuggin games, JV doesn't know much yet.

Pretty much this. Some guys here would bench someone for an entire season after a few bad games.

My thing is that the team is bad and we are going to lose a lot of games. I just want the young guys to get more chances. Not just rotation but they seemed to get phased out of the offense completely for long stretches. It might not be the best way to win the games but I want to see more plays run for vucci, nicholson, harkless. Seeing BBD dribble for 15 seconds while they all stand around isnm't helping them. Hopefully JV adjusts as the season goes but as of right now this is one of my concerns.

thelead · Post #251 » by **thelead** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:48 am

backasswards wrote:
NickAnderson wrote:Why is everyone complaining about rotations? It's been 10 fuggin games, JV doesn't know much yet.

Pretty much this. Some guys here would bench someone for an entire season after a few bad games.

Nope. How about giving a player a few games of consistent minutes instead of trying to squeeze 12 guys into one game.

KillMonger · Post #252 » by **KillMonger** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:50 am

I've always said that i can take a loss but only when we're playing hard and playing together. Tonight i only saw that when the end of the bench guys was playing in garbage time. A few guys played selfishly tonight and it's not helping when we're turning the ball over left and right. If we want to at least be competitive some tweaks should be made to the rotation

NickAnderson · Post #253 » by **NickAnderson** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:51 am

glove1989 wrote:
backasswards wrote:
NickAnderson wrote:Why is everyone complaining about rotations? It's been 10 fuggin games, JV doesn't know much yet.

Pretty much this. Some guys here would bench someone for an entire season after a few bad games.

My thing is that the team is bad and we are going to lose a lot of games. I just want the young guys to get more chances. Not just rotation but they seemed to get phased out of the offense completely for long stretches. It might not be the best way to win the games but I want to see more plays run for vucci, nicholson, harkless. Seeing BBD dribble for 15 seconds while they all stand around isnm't helping them. Hopefully JV adjusts as the season goes but as of right now this is one of my concerns.

We have 72 more games for all that.

glove1989 · Post #254 » by **glove1989** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:53 am

NickAnderson wrote:We have 72 more games for all that.

I agree and I think JV is a smart enough coach that it will get ironed out over time. But no reason not to discuss it as the season progresses.

GameOver25 · Post #255 » by **GameOver25** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:54 am

thelead wrote:
backasswards wrote:
NickAnderson wrote:Why is everyone complaining about rotations? It's been 10 fuggin games, JV doesn't know much yet.

Pretty much this. Some guys here would bench someone for an entire season after a few bad games.

Nope. How about giving a player a few games of consistent minutes instead of trying to squeeze 12 guys into one game.

It's possible the rotations will be an issue for quite some time. I think JV is getting a feel for the roster, evaluting players. Twelve games into a rebuild shouldn't lead to us thinking things are set in stone. Why are you actually looking for so early into the year?

thelead · Post #256 » by **thelead** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:04 am

^ I really don't care as I was predicting (and hoping for) a bottom 5 record. I just think it's killing a lot of the flow of the game, that's all. I have confidence in JV though and think he's doing a lot of this just to showcase some players. It would be hard to believe that we'll have the same exact roster after the trade deadline. I'm not losing any sleep over it, I'm just pointing out how it may be difficult for some players to get short spurts and be expected to produce.

KillMonger · Post #257 » by **KillMonger** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:04 am

After watching a replay of the garbage time Jones played decently and for once, FOR ONCE we have a guy who is willing to ATTACK the basket. Our starters do way too much settling for my liking and i'm sure the numbers say that we don't get to the free throw line. I would rather go back to Putting him into the Starting lineup and bringing Redick back to the bench.

Edit: After looking it up we didn't get to the Free Throw line once THE WHOLE 3RD QUARTER!!!!! i mean seriously? not one free throw attempt? i would insert Jones into the Starting lineup and just tell him to attack whenever he gets a chance to he'll either dunk on someone or draw a foul it's ridiculous how no one wants to attack especially when we're not taking not nearly as much 3pt attempts as last season

OrlandO · Post #258 » by **OrlandO** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:18 am

Bobby Ray wrote:After watching a replay of the garbage time Jones played decently and for once, FOR ONCE we have a guy who is willing to ATTACK the basket. Our starters do way too much settling for my liking and i'm sure the numbers say that we don't get to the free throw line. I would rather go back to Putting him into the Starting lineup and bringing Redick back to the bench.

He attacked and missed terribly three times in a row... reminded me of Wafer. I did like that one play where he dribbled it behind his back whens splitting defenders on his way to scoring though.

magicman123 · Post #259 » by **magicman123** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:21 am

Bobby Ray wrote:After watching a replay of the garbage time Jones played decently and for once, FOR ONCE we have a guy who is willing to ATTACK the basket. Our starters do way too much settling for my liking and i'm sure the numbers say that we don't get to the free throw line. I would rather go back to Putting him into the Starting lineup and bringing Redick back to the bench.

Edit: After looking it up we didn't get to the Free Throw line once THE WHOLE 3RD QUARTER!!!!! i mean seriously? not one free throw attempt? i would insert Jones into the Starting lineup and just tell him to attack whenever he gets a chance to he'll either dunk on someone or draw a foul it's ridiculous how no one wants to attack especially when we're not taking not nearly as much 3pt attempts as last season

its hard to judge players in garbage time, they look good and they play the game differently, for example when jones started he didn't attack much, and his game was completely different when it was meaningful minutes, ayon plays like crap, but once its cleanup time he actually plays decent

looking good in mop up minutes against 3rd stringers is a little different than when the pressures on, they dont have the freedom to play pickup basketball

Afflalo is better at the 2, and the bench is beyond dreadful, JJ would help either way but he does deserve to start, you can always slid in harkłess at the 3 (not like we àre winning anyways)

KillMonger · Post #260 » by **KillMonger** » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:42 am

magicman123 wrote:
Bobby Ray wrote:After watching a replay of the garbage time Jones played decently and for once, FOR ONCE we have a guy who is willing to ATTACK the basket. Our starters do way too much settling for my liking and i'm sure the numbers say that we don't get to the free throw line. I would rather go back to Putting him into the Starting lineup and bringing Redick back to the bench.

Edit: After looking it up we didn't get to the Free Throw line once THE WHOLE 3RD QUARTER!!!!! i mean seriously? not one free throw attempt? i would insert Jones into the Starting lineup and just tell him to attack whenever he gets a chance to he'll either dunk on someone or draw a foul it's ridiculous how no one wants to attack especially when we're not taking not nearly as much 3pt attempts as last season

its hard to judge players in garbage time, they look good and they play the game differently, for example when jones started he didn't attack much, and his game was completely different when it was meaningful minutes, ayon plays like crap, but once its cleanup time he actually plays decent

looking good in mop up minutes against 3rd stringers is a little different than when the pressures on, they dont have the freedom to play pickup basketball

That's the problem because when we're playing pickup basketball we actually look great. With our starters it's almost like they "talk the talk" before the game you'll hear the sound bites, "we have to move the ball" "Great thing about our offense you don't know who will get the shots" but when the game starts the ball isn't moving much and it's all Baby and Redick with a little sprinkle of Afflalo and Nelson not to even mention Vuc. We're competitive when we move the ball in a "Pickup" kind of way but we don't play that way with any kind of consistency you only see it here or there.

I'm Tired of Big Baby's tunnel vision man. It's almost like when he's about to get the ball he makes up his mind to shoot it no matter what happens he won't even think about passing the ball. When he's playing like this i wished we traded this dude after the playoff run. Makes me think how the roster is going to look after the deadline.