Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part III

[mhd]

I think Ford has some mistakes to be sure. Why would Phoenix take Mason freaking Plumlee in the lotto? If I were them, I'd take Glenn Robinson III (turned 19 in January) over Plumlee easily. Ford has GR3 going to Bucks at 15.

He has a couple of euros in Saric and Gobert going late teens (Saric) and Gobert (mid 20s).

[dandrews]

I'm stunned McDermott isn't even in Ford's mock draft. Ford does have contacts, but still.

You're stunned? He's a non athletic one trick pony. He'll be lucky to go in the late first

[nate33]

I'm stunned McDermott isn't even in Ford's mock draft. Ford does have contacts, but still.

You're stunned? He's a non athletic one trick pony. He'll be lucky to go in the late first

A one trick pony? Perhaps if that trick is to put the ball into the basket very often with high efficiency.

I wouldn't be surprised if he lasts until the 2nd round, but I'm pretty confident he's going to be better than a lot of the guys taken ahead of him.

[mhd]

Good news for the tank: Tor up 16 against the Bulls in the 4th. Wiz would be 8th then.

[dandrews]

I'm stunned McDermott isn't even in Ford's mock draft. Ford does have contacts, but still.

You're stunned? He's a non athletic one trick pony. He'll be lucky to go in the late first

A one trick pony? Perhaps if that trick is to put the ball into the basket very often with high efficiency.

I wouldn't be surprised if he lasts until the 2nd round, but I'm pretty confident he's going to be better than a lot of the guys taken ahead of him.

He's got NBA range. His post game is not going to translate though. He took advantage of inferior (and smaller) post defenders in college. That's not happening in the NBA. Not with his low athleticism, height, and strength.

He is atrocious at defense and he can't rebound. Thus, a one trick pony. He'll be a nice role player on a contending team at the end of the first round, but that's probably his ceiling.

[gambitx777]

To me, its clear. this is how we should go with our first.
Bennett, Olynyk, Len, Burke or trade back (NOT OUT).

[nate33]

I agree that he will likely be a defensive liability in the pros. He may be so bad that it makes it hard for him to get floor time.

I just object to the term "one trick pony". McCollum has a pretty freaking diverse offensive arsenal. He's about as refined of an offensive player as you're ever going to find in college basketball.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The conference "formerly known as the Big East" is indeed the most physical conference in college bball. (It's good prep for playing at the next level.) But the Big Ten is not far behind in terms of physical play. That's why I wasn't surprised--or disappointed--that it was a rough and tumble game. I don't blame the refs for that at all. I say let them play.

BTW, I loved the toughness and persistence that that Behanan kid displayed on the boards in the second half.

As for Dieng, he's a smart, smart player. In the interviews before the game when the other Louisville players said "I play for my mom" or 'I play for my family." Dieng said 'I play for my teammates." Gotta like that.

Dieng is probably not a lottery pick but he'll get drafted in the middle of the first round and some team is going to get a player who will work very, very hard on improving his game. And eventually turn himself into a real impact player in the NBA.

I was also once again impressed by Burke, although I still wouldn't want to Zards to draft him with a top ten pick. And I'm having second thoughts on Siva. I had my doubts about whether he was an NBA-caliber, but he certainly looked like one on the big stage last night.

Will the Louisville women beat UConn tonight for a 'Ville sweep? Stay tuned.

I totally agree on Siva, DCZ.

I wanted not to like Burke, but that guy is a monster. Go ahead with the Chris Paul comparisons because he does play at another level. On that block at the rim and with the way he wills a team to win that is too good not to acknowledge.

The thing impressed me is Siva is not too far off that same level Burke is. Siva could be quicker than Shane Larkin. Siva has handles Steve Nash would be content with--I haven't seen a better ball handling display then between Siva and Burke. It was one of the greatest NCAA games I've seen. Siva gets to the basket like Tony Parker. Burke earned POTY but Siva should have earned a great deal of attention from scouts. He belongs in the NBA. He has a warrior mentality, just like Burke. Both of them play a whole lot smarter than Russ Smith.

An aside: Siva is a Samoan descendant. I wonder if anyone besides me thinks Siva looks like a light-skinned, smaller Dwyane Wade?

My son kept asking if Russ Smith is JR Smith's brother. I can see some resemblance, but I think Russ Smith looks a whole bunch in the face like Robert Griffin III.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I agree that he will likely be a defensive liability in the pros. He may be so bad that it makes it hard for him to get floor time.

I just object to the term "one trick pony". McCollum has a pretty freaking diverse offensive arsenal. He's about as refined of an offensive player as you're ever going to find in college basketball.

He is really diverse scoring the basketball. I agree on McCollum, nate.

DX's scouting video paints a discouraging picture of McCollum as a passer. He's not a distributor per that report.

What I notice in the video, and from the times I did see him live, but definitely from stats over time is that C. J. McCollum grabs a lot of rebounds for his position. That to me is really a good sign. He and Doug McDermott are not great athletes but they are two elite volume scorers who rebound.

Nate Wolters is an elite scorer who also has a fantastic pure passer ratio--I think he will make a better transition offensively to NBA PG. I would give McCollum the nod defensively at PG, but he is a scoring guard and not really a passer.

[The Consiglieri]

Good news for the tank: Tor up 16 against the Bulls in the 4th. Wiz would be 8th then.

Finally the tank is back on track, I've felt our schedule gives us some strong advantages in terms of landing the highest pre-lottery pick possible in that 7-10 scenario.

#6th Sacramento:

Vs NO, @ SA, @ Hou, @ OKC, Vs LAC

Expected Win: 0-1


#6th (Tie) New Orleans:
@ LA, @ Sac, Vs LA C, Vs Dall, @ Dall

Expected Wins: 0-2

#8th Washington:
Vs Miami, Vs Philly, @Brooklyn @Chicago

Expected Wins: 1-2


#8th (tie) Minnesota:
@Golden State, @LA, @Utah, Vs Phoe, Vs Utah, @SA

Expected Wins: 1-3

#10th Toronto:

Vs Chi, Vs Brook, @ Atl, Vs Bos

Expected Wins: 0-1

Feels like we'll probably land the 8th or 9th overall pick.

Fingers Crossed, 7th or 8th, feels like a big difference in comparison to 9th-10th. I really start not liking the likely picks after around 8th overall. At this point, I'd be happy with Bennett, Len, a mega-slipper like Drummond last year if that happens (It does occasionally), don't want to be going with one of the low upside, fairly low floor types.

[The Consiglieri]

To me, its clear. this is how we should go with our first.
Bennett, Olynyk, Len, Burke or trade back (NOT OUT).

I need some convincing on Olynyk, really bothered at guys these days that are overage when they were successful and not much preceding that, or guys like Zeller who didn't really improve anywhere near as much as expected. I like your other three targets but Olynyk scares me.

[hands11]

You want some fire like VO has. Pierre has it. And McDermott and Wolter have it as well. That's one of the things to gets CCJs attention. Its gets mine as well.

+1

They each play with a ton of energy. The last three are each fiery offensive performers, hands. All four are dynamic players who would add a nuance to the Wizards. Like you I like bold players who excel. They are leaders.

Potter is border line in that regards but I think he is the type that will get there. He is Bealish. I think he has it, it just hasn't all come out yet.

Potter could do like Batum or Austin Daye, and not break out. However, I think he'll be do like Paul George and Jeff Cook who are becoming better and better offensively.

Add one more to the list. Tony Michell. And obviously Burke. I think Muscala has it also.

[FAH1223]

If OKC is ahead of us, then we won't get Len

[hands11]

Bennett exudes very little effort defensively, he has the physical build to be a good two way player, but he just comes off as...and idiot. I don't know if its a case of him just coasting on one end of the court while trying to maintain some semblance of decent draft stock in a week draft but is rather discouraging watching him exude a lack of effort defensively.

I don't know enough about Bennett to say he doesn't try on defense, but this is concerning. I've watched a few of his games and he looks small, even for an NCAA PF. He's going to look real small in the pro's and if he doesn't bust his tail on defense than he'd need to be Lebron on offense to compensate. In the 8-10 range I am starting to hope that Len falls to the Wiz because I have no real concerns that he'll at least be a solid defensive player who has potential on the offensive side. I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up as a more athletic Koufas. I think Bennett has some potential offensively, but I have no faith in him defensively to consider him in this draft.

Watch his interview on dx. He says he wants to be or 2/3

Len is the safer bet n fills a need. But CJM with Wall n Beal would be bad ass.

Tank another year with no top pick help a center. Go into 2014 with cap space, a high pick n Wall, Beal n CJM or go VO plus Muscala n Pierre.

Something to consider.

[gambitx777]

olynyk scares me less than Zeller does.

[hands11]

I'm stunned McDermott isn't even in Ford's mock draft. Ford does have contacts, but still.

Does Ford have a 2nd round mock? DX has McDermott going in the middle of the 2nd.

I only saw the 1st round. He has freaking Glen Rice JR going late 1st. nbadraft.net has McDermott going 17th.

Whithey and Deing are in the early 20s.

I thought I saw where like 70% of his points came in the paint. I don't think he is going to be able to pull that off in the NBA

[hands11]

I agree that he will likely be a defensive liability in the pros. He may be so bad that it makes it hard for him to get floor time.

I just object to the term "one trick pony". McCollum has a pretty freaking diverse offensive arsenal. He's about as refined of an offensive player as you're ever going to find in college basketball.

I thought he was talking about McDermott

[hands11]

I agree that he will likely be a defensive liability in the pros. He may be so bad that it makes it hard for him to get floor time.

I just object to the term "one trick pony". McCollum has a pretty freaking diverse offensive arsenal. He's about as refined of an offensive player as you're ever going to find in college basketball.

He is really diverse scoring the basketball. I agree on McCollum, nate.

DX's scouting video paints a discouraging picture of McCollum as a passer. He's not a distributor per that report.

What I notice in the video, and from the times I did see him live, but definitely from stats over time is that C. J. McCollum grabs a lot of rebounds for his position. That to me is really a good sign. He and Doug McDermott are not great athletes but they are two elite volume scorers who rebound.

Nate Wolters is and elite scorer who also has a fantastic pure passer ratio--I think he will make a better transition offensively to NBA PG. I would give McCollum the nod defensively at PG, but he is a scoring guard and not really a passer.

Reminds me of Beal with handles. Kind of a Wall/Beal blend with not as good D

[hands11]

olynyk scares me less than Zeller does.

Well thats encouraging.


Olynyk will make a nice stretch bench player. He will be useful.

[Dark Faze]

To me, its clear. this is how we should go with our first.
Bennett, Olynyk, Len, Burke or trade back (NOT OUT).

I need some convincing on Olynyk, really bothered at guys these days that are overage when they were successful and not much preceding that, or guys like Zeller who didn't really improve anywhere near as much as expected. I like your other three targets but Olynyk scares me.

Huh? Man guys need to stop this notion that players can't get better. Especially bigs. Faried was a 4 year college player that didn't shine until this third season. Victor Oladipo wasn't even on mocks last year and he's 21 in May. Kemba Walker made a HUGE leap in his third season and is a very solid NBA player for the Cats.

I don't understand how people look at Olynyk and see "low ceiling". How is a guy with historically high TS%/PER with an NBA body low ceiling? Lol. If he can translate his skills to the NBA he's going to be a really good player. It's really crazy how every single scout says he can get stronger, is a good size already, is clearly the most skilled big, did EVERYTHING you could ask of him during his Jr year, including hosting huge numbers against Wichita which was clearly better than advertised, and yet still slide dude to 14 on mocks, while guys like Len are underachieving like crazy.

I hate more than anything when bigs try to use guards as an excuse for not executing. A good big is going to dominate. There's no question. People tried to excuse Perry Jones III's numbers for bad guard play. Yea, the guard play was terrible at Baylor but a good big is going to find a way to put in work. Look at Dwight Howard. Everyone complained about how the Magic didn't know how to get him the ball. He goes to the Lakers with Steve Nash and Kobe friggin Bryant and he's still struggling to create inside.

I'm just getting tired of the "I need to be sold on Olynyk". Good size, did everything you could ask from him, he can get even stronger, clearly the most skilled big man.

I'm really upset with the way guys not only on this board but scouts as well have been evaluating the talent this year. NBA mock sites have been schizophrenic. A guy like Deing is slotted 8 slights lower than friggin James Michael McAdoo.

Can we for once look at actual basketball skill and what was displayed on the court instead of "potential" for once? I agree that you want to get a superstar. But sometimes potential is obvious and sometimes its hyperbolic. Potential you reach for looks like Nerlens Noel. It looks like John Wall. Otherwise lets not waste a pick and get the Kenneth Farieds, Kawhi Leonards, and Kelly Olynyks of the world and not waste our pick.

Sorry for the rant, I just desperately want this team to get better