Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8)

[jcappy]

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Thanks, although a curious thread to put this in.

Why would Ainge want to help Atlanta this season? We own theirs or Brooklyn's pick next year.

Because the trade of Green would mean we would get BOTH of the picks, not the higher pick. In other words, a first round pick wd most certainly be part of the trade.

[Captain_Caveman]

I'd just like to get as much as we can for him if he's not staying. Easier said than done, but there's just no way in hell you let your best player walk for nothing in his prime if you can help it.

By the end of next year you could have a 2014 rookie who projects to be a better player moving forward and Sullinger who'll be as good or better than Rondo by then as well. So while Rondo is currently the teams best player and may still be at that point, there's a chance that the Celtics could grow a couple superior players in house sooner than later.

I'd also add that with Rondo leaving in free agency you'd have a very clean cap situation and potentially become a destination for other stars.

Basically, any way this cookie crumbles, Ainge will have a plan to get the Celtics back to contender status.

Thank you. I'm sick of people talking about "value". We need to get "value" for Rondo before he leaves...Rondo doesn't have a whole lot of leverage.

His situation is very similar to Dwight Howard and Carmelo Anthony only Rondo isn't running to the media like a bitch and forcing the C's hand...how many times have you heard a NBA player say "it's a business". Well, Orlando and Denver had the chance to force DH/Melo into making a business decision. Stay with us for much more money, or go to another team for less. Those teams chose to get "value"...and by value I mean mediocre players that aren't going to get either of those teams close to where the aforementioned players had them.

There is value in letting a player get to free agency: 1. If Rondo leaves, the C's gain A LOT of cap space (cap space worth is another debate). 2. The market will set Rondo's true value...and with the NBA loaded with PG talent the C's could get Rondo cheaper than they would if they extend him now. 3. Rondo will put butts in the seats this year and next.

The Celtic's don't have to trade Rondo just to get value.

In Carmelo's case, I think the Nuggets did exactly the wrong thing by taking on a goodie bag of role players. The Magic, OTOH, killed it in the Howard trade. Got young prospects and several picks without harming their ability to tank.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/9/12/4619946/orlando-magic-dwight-howard-trade-nikola-vukevic-arron-afflalo

[BfB]

Celtics got a Howard package in the BKN deal - 4 unprotected 1sts is an unprecedented hall. I fully expect at least one of them to be a lotto pick.

[Celtsfan1980]

Let's say the Lakers have the eighth pick. Kobe's big contract makes it almost impossible for them to sign Lebron, and I don't think Kevin Love would be enthusiastic about playing with Kobe and mostly minimum contract signings unless Minnesota decides to trade him to LA. If LA is not able to acquire either of those players, Rondo could be a good choice. The Lakers have the best draft pick available for Rondo. A trade involving Rondo, Nash, Lakers' draft pick, and possibly Johnson. Do you do it?

[Murta]

Let's say the Lakers have the eighth pick. Kobe's big contract makes it almost impossible for them to sign Lebron, and I don't think Kevin Love would be enthusiastic about playing with Kobe and mostly minimum contract signings unless Minnesota decides to trade him to LA. If LA is not able to acquire either of those players, Rondo could be a good choice. The Lakers have the best draft pick available for Rondo. A trade involving Rondo, Nash, Lakers' draft pick, and possibly Johnson. Do you do it?

Trading Rondo for Lakers' pick on the draft night is the most realistic and probably the best possible option.

I'd do that trade if the pick is in 4-6 range, but Lakers would have to add something more if it's the 8th pick.

Getting young player with our own pick and one additional top 10 pick is a giant kickstart to rebuilding.

[sam_I_am]

Hot new trade rumor regarding Rondo:

Celtics not going to trade him! So .....wtf ..... Lock this.

[165bows]

Hot new trade rumor regarding Rondo:

Celtics not going to trade him! So .....wtf ..... Lock this.

While we are jumping the gun to evaluate his progress...

Rondo's back!

Last 5 Games
Mins: 32.0
FGs: 6.3-10.3
FG%: .613
3PTs: 1.3-3.7
3PT%: .364
Rbs: 7.7
Asts: 11.0
BLKS: 0.0
STLS: 2.0
PF: 1.7
TO: 2.3
PTS:14.0

[BannersOnly]

Let's say the Lakers have the eighth pick. Kobe's big contract makes it almost impossible for them to sign Lebron, and I don't think Kevin Love would be enthusiastic about playing with Kobe and mostly minimum contract signings unless Minnesota decides to trade him to LA. If LA is not able to acquire either of those players, Rondo could be a good choice. The Lakers have the best draft pick available for Rondo. A trade involving Rondo, Nash, Lakers' draft pick, and possibly Johnson. Do you do it?

Why? We aren't getting anyone even close to Rondo in the draft unless it's a Top 6 pick and nobody is trading a Top 6 pick for Rondo. Of course a team like the Lakers might trade the 8th pick for Rondo because they know Rondo is better than anything available at 8. It's stupid to trade Rondo just to draft someone 7 years younger who will never be as good. What we should be doing is trying to land a Top 5 pick to pair up with Rondo and Sully. Trading Rondo is simply taking two steps back to take one forward. We can't just have a team full of 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players. We need some establish vet with a resume like Rondo to teach these kids how to win in this league.

[Valid]

Hot new trade rumor regarding Rondo:

Celtics not going to trade him! So .....wtf ..... Lock this.

While we are jumping the gun to evaluate his progress...

Rondo's back!

Last 5 Games
Mins: 32.0
FGs: 6.3-10.3
FG%: .613
3PTs: 1.3-3.7
3PT%: .364
Rbs: 7.7
Asts: 11.0
BLKS: 0.0
STLS: 2.0
PF: 1.7
TO: 2.3
PTS:14.0

I absolutely did not expect him to start playing this well this soon. I figured it would take him a couple of months to get back to his All-Star level. Dude is a warrior.

[OFWGKTA]

Hot new trade rumor regarding Rondo:

Celtics not going to trade him! So .....wtf ..... Lock this.

While we are jumping the gun to evaluate his progress...

Rondo's back!

Last 5 Games
Mins: 32.0
FGs: 6.3-10.3
FG%: .613
3PTs: 1.3-3.7
3PT%: .364
Rbs: 7.7
Asts: 11.0
BLKS: 0.0
STLS: 2.0
PF: 1.7
TO: 2.3
PTS:14.0

Those numbers are wrong. Here are the actual numbers for the last 5 games: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... :pgl_basic

Still good nonetheless.

[165bows]

Hot new trade rumor regarding Rondo:

Celtics not going to trade him! So .....wtf ..... Lock this.

While we are jumping the gun to evaluate his progress...

Rondo's back!

Last 5 Games
Mins: 32.0
FGs: 6.3-10.3
FG%: .613
3PTs: 1.3-3.7
3PT%: .364
Rbs: 7.7
Asts: 11.0
BLKS: 0.0
STLS: 2.0
PF: 1.7
TO: 2.3
PTS:14.0

Those numbers are wrong. Here are the actual numbers for the last 5 games: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... :pgl_basic

Still good nonetheless.

Yeah, sorry that wasn't clear. Just grabbed those numbers from ESPN, they just total the last five 5 games of the team, he only played three of those I believe. Should have fixed that part.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3026/rajon-rondo

[Celtsfan1980]

Let's say the Lakers have the eighth pick. Kobe's big contract makes it almost impossible for them to sign Lebron, and I don't think Kevin Love would be enthusiastic about playing with Kobe and mostly minimum contract signings unless Minnesota decides to trade him to LA. If LA is not able to acquire either of those players, Rondo could be a good choice. The Lakers have the best draft pick available for Rondo. A trade involving Rondo, Nash, Lakers' draft pick, and possibly Johnson. Do you do it?

Why? We aren't getting anyone even close to Rondo in the draft unless it's a Top 6 pick and nobody is trading a Top 6 pick for Rondo. Of course a team like the Lakers might trade the 8th pick for Rondo because they know Rondo is better than anything available at 8. It's stupid to trade Rondo just to draft someone 7 years younger who will never be as good. What we should be doing is trying to land a Top 5 pick to pair up with Rondo and Sully. Trading Rondo is simply taking two steps back to take one forward. We can't just have a team full of 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players. We need some establish vet with a resume like Rondo to teach these kids how to win in this league.

I'm sure the Celtics and Lakers wouldn't like trading with each other, but if you're going to rebuild you should do a complete rebuild. Sullinger, Olynyk, and 5 potential top 20 picks. If you draft well and spend the huge amount of money available wisely you can build a very good team very quickly starting in the 2015-2016 season. LA is a good enough free agent destination that they'd be confident they could keep Rondo. The Celtics like draft picks, and the Lakers don't. Logical trading partner in this situation.

[Valid]

Let's say the Lakers have the eighth pick. Kobe's big contract makes it almost impossible for them to sign Lebron, and I don't think Kevin Love would be enthusiastic about playing with Kobe and mostly minimum contract signings unless Minnesota decides to trade him to LA. If LA is not able to acquire either of those players, Rondo could be a good choice. The Lakers have the best draft pick available for Rondo. A trade involving Rondo, Nash, Lakers' draft pick, and possibly Johnson. Do you do it?

Why? We aren't getting anyone even close to Rondo in the draft unless it's a Top 6 pick and nobody is trading a Top 6 pick for Rondo. Of course a team like the Lakers might trade the 8th pick for Rondo because they know Rondo is better than anything available at 8. It's stupid to trade Rondo just to draft someone 7 years younger who will never be as good. What we should be doing is trying to land a Top 5 pick to pair up with Rondo and Sully. Trading Rondo is simply taking two steps back to take one forward. We can't just have a team full of 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players. We need some establish vet with a resume like Rondo to teach these kids how to win in this league.

I'm sure the Celtics and Lakers wouldn't like trading with each other, but if you're going to rebuild you should do a complete rebuild. Sullinger, Olynyk, and 5 potential top 20 picks. If you draft well and spend the huge amount of money available wisely you can build a very good team very quickly starting in the 2015-2016 season. LA is a good enough free agent destination that they'd be confident they could keep Rondo. The Celtics like draft picks, and the Lakers don't. Logical trading partner in this situation.

So you're saying a team should trade its best player who is only 28 years old just for the sake of a "complete rebuild"?

[Stadium5]

Why? We aren't getting anyone even close to Rondo in the draft unless it's a Top 6 pick and nobody is trading a Top 6 pick for Rondo. Of course a team like the Lakers might trade the 8th pick for Rondo because they know Rondo is better than anything available at 8. It's stupid to trade Rondo just to draft someone 7 years younger who will never be as good. What we should be doing is trying to land a Top 5 pick to pair up with Rondo and Sully. Trading Rondo is simply taking two steps back to take one forward. We can't just have a team full of 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players. We need some establish vet with a resume like Rondo to teach these kids how to win in this league.

I'm sure the Celtics and Lakers wouldn't like trading with each other, but if you're going to rebuild you should do a complete rebuild. Sullinger, Olynyk, and 5 potential top 20 picks. If you draft well and spend the huge amount of money available wisely you can build a very good team very quickly starting in the 2015-2016 season. LA is a good enough free agent destination that they'd be confident they could keep Rondo. The Celtics like draft picks, and the Lakers don't. Logical trading partner in this situation.

So you're saying a team should trade its best player who is only 28 years old just for the sake of a "complete rebuild"?

Yea, considering he'll be atleast 30 by the time we legit compete again. He's speed is one of his best weapons and thats the first thing to go

[BannersOnly]

I'm sure the Celtics and Lakers wouldn't like trading with each other, but if you're going to rebuild you should do a complete rebuild. Sullinger, Olynyk, and 5 potential top 20 picks. If you draft well and spend the huge amount of money available wisely you can build a very good team very quickly starting in the 2015-2016 season. LA is a good enough free agent destination that they'd be confident they could keep Rondo. The Celtics like draft picks, and the Lakers don't. Logical trading partner in this situation.

So you're saying a team should trade its best player who is only 28 years old just for the sake of a "complete rebuild"?

Yea, considering he'll be atleast 30 by the time we legit compete again. He's speed is one of his best weapons and thats the first thing to go

Disagree 100%. Point guards can easily still be top players into their mid-30's. Hell, Tony Parker turns 32 in May and is still easily a Top 5 point guard in this league. Rondo will still be a top flight point guard until his mid 30's. Trading him unless it was a GRAND SLAM trade would be even more stupid than winning meaningless games this season to cost us any chance of a Top 5 pick. You don't trade guys like Rondo. You try to acquire guys like Rondo. They don't just fall out of trees.

[soxfan2003]

So you're saying a team should trade its best player who is only 28 years old just for the sake of a "complete rebuild"?

Yea, considering he'll be atleast 30 by the time we legit compete again. He's speed is one of his best weapons and thats the first thing to go

Disagree 100%. Point guards can easily still be top players into their mid-30's. Hell, Tony Parker turns 32 in May and is still easily a Top 5 point guard in this league. Rondo will still be a top flight point guard until his mid 30's. Trading him unless it was a GRAND SLAM trade would be even more stupid than winning meaningless games this season to cost us any chance of a Top 5 pick. You don't trade guys like Rondo. You try to acquire guys like Rondo. They don't just fall out of trees.

Is Tony Parker easily a top 5 PG as of 2013-14? Right now he is 10th in PER among point guards and he is only playing 31 MPG so one could argue he might not even be holding up as well with more minutes. And this is without Rose in the equation this year but admittedly Rose may be washed up. Parker has a PER of 19.8 which is very good but just the 8th best PER rating of his career. I am not stating PER is a flawless stat but when someone is barely 10th in it with a better defender in John Wall right behind him, I just find it hard to say Parker has been having a top 5 PG season without question.

Wherever he should be legitimately ranked right now, Tony Parker I highly doubt is a top 7 PG 2-3 years from now. Most of the PG's that were top 7 in their mid 30's really had size and/or great shooting capability. Parker is certainly at least a good shooter but he still is far from great at shooting.

Folks may say well he is only declining a bit since he is battling injuries... Well injuries are one of the reasons why players decline in their 30's.

Frankly I think the Spurs should let Parker walk if Duncan retires after next year.

[BannersOnly]

Yea, considering he'll be atleast 30 by the time we legit compete again. He's speed is one of his best weapons and thats the first thing to go

Disagree 100%. Point guards can easily still be top players into their mid-30's. Hell, Tony Parker turns 32 in May and is still easily a Top 5 point guard in this league. Rondo will still be a top flight point guard until his mid 30's. Trading him unless it was a GRAND SLAM trade would be even more stupid than winning meaningless games this season to cost us any chance of a Top 5 pick. You don't trade guys like Rondo. You try to acquire guys like Rondo. They don't just fall out of trees.

Is Tony Parker easily a top 5 PG as of 2013-14? Right now he is 10th in PER among point guards and he is only playing 31 MPG so one could argue he might not even be holding up as well with more minutes. And this is without Rose in the equation this year but admittedly Rose may be washed up. Parker has a PER of 19.8 which is very good but just the 8th best PER rating of his career. I am not stating PER is a flawless stat but when someone is barely 10th in it with a better defender in John Wall right behind him, I just find it hard to say Parker has been having a top 5 PG season without question.

Wherever he should be legitimately ranked right now, Tony Parker I highly doubt is a top 7 PG 2-3 years from now. Most of the PG's that were top 7 in their mid 30's really had size and/or great shooting capability. Parker is certainly at least a good shooter but he still is far from great at shooting.

Folks may say well he is only declining a bit since he is battling injuries... Well injuries are one of the reasons why players decline in their 30's.

Frankly I think the Spurs should let Parker walk if Duncan retires after next year.

There aren't 5 other PG's in the league I would take to lead my team in the playoffs....which is all that matters. Same with Rondo. I don't care what John Wall or Kyrie Irving do in January, Feb or March. Playing all world in the regular season is totally different than in the postseason. Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter and Grant Hill are perfect examples. Trading Rondo because he is 28 is silly. With today's equipment and supplements that would be like trading a 26 year-old in the 80's. Players are playing much longer and at a higher level longer today than they were in the 80's. Hell, KG's logged the most minutes in NBA history pretty much and still is a more than serviceable player. Rondo is still in the very early stages of his prime. Very early.

[Ben-N1ce]

I don't see the infatuation with any PG's being the " guy " on a chamionship team. It's proven that it does not happen. I don't see a freaking Magic Johnson anywere or am I missing something? Name the last time a PG was the best player on a team that won a chip and was rondo esque pass first on top of that PG might be the deepest posistion in the NBA.

[soxfan2003]

Disagree 100%. Point guards can easily still be top players into their mid-30's. Hell, Tony Parker turns 32 in May and is still easily a Top 5 point guard in this league. Rondo will still be a top flight point guard until his mid 30's. Trading him unless it was a GRAND SLAM trade would be even more stupid than winning meaningless games this season to cost us any chance of a Top 5 pick. You don't trade guys like Rondo. You try to acquire guys like Rondo. They don't just fall out of trees.

Is Tony Parker easily a top 5 PG as of 2013-14? Right now he is 10th in PER among point guards and he is only playing 31 MPG so one could argue he might not even be holding up as well with more minutes. And this is without Rose in the equation this year but admittedly Rose may be washed up. Parker has a PER of 19.8 which is very good but just the 8th best PER rating of his career. I am not stating PER is a flawless stat but when someone is barely 10th in it with a better defender in John Wall right behind him, I just find it hard to say Parker has been having a top 5 PG season without question.

Wherever he should be legitimately ranked right now, Tony Parker I highly doubt is a top 7 PG 2-3 years from now. Most of the PG's that were top 7 in their mid 30's really had size and/or great shooting capability. Parker is certainly at least a good shooter but he still is far from great at shooting.

Folks may say well he is only declining a bit since he is battling injuries... Well injuries are one of the reasons why players decline in their 30's.

Frankly I think the Spurs should let Parker walk if Duncan retires after next year.

There aren't 5 other PG's in the league I would take to lead my team in the playoffs....which is all that matters. Same with Rondo. I don't care what John Wall or Kyrie Irving do in January, Feb or March. Playing all world in the regular season is totally different than in the postseason. Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter and Grant Hill are perfect examples. Trading Rondo because he is 28 is silly. With today's equipment and supplements that would be like trading a 26 year-old in the 80's. Players are playing much longer and at a higher level longer today than they were in the 80's. Hell, KG's logged the most minutes in NBA history pretty much and still is a more than serviceable player. Rondo is still in the very early stages of his prime. Very early.

Good article about Parker and Chandler from the preseason.
http://asubstituteforwar.wordpress.com/ ... footsteps/

Average age of NBA players hasn't changed much at all since those steroids and supplements also help out the younger players as well. In 85-86 it was 26.72 and in the last year(2007-8) I have data for it was 26.89.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_league ... experience.

This other page shows by playing time it hasn't changed much since the 80's either. The 90's had older players and that isn't surprising since defense back then was more physical so speed and quickness wasn't quite as important.

http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/01/av ... yers-more/

In the playoff this year and building a team from scratch just for this years playoffs, I'd take my chances on Chris Paul, Curry, (probably) Westbrook, probably Conley(plays better defense), (maybe) Irving, (maybe) Lawson, (if healthy maybe) Bledsoe, and (maybe) Wall and maybe Lillard. Now head to head Parker may outperform these guys but its not always a fair comparison since he has defenders like Tim Duncan and the underrated Leonard to help him out. And the Spurs have very good floor spacing on offense which not all of the other PG benefit from.

(And if you believe Rondo is a top 5 PG heading into the 2014 playoffs, Parker has to compete with Rondo as well and there is an outside shot Rose comes back as a top 5 PG by this years playoffs)

No matter what Rondo and even Parker now in the top 5 PG heading into the 2014 playoffs IMHO is not a no brainer just based upon forward expectations and not past accomplishments/reputations. The media will certainly say Parker is a top 5 PG still but that is the same media that continuously voted Kobe first team all defense when even Laker fans were saying it wasn't deserved.

[Stadium5]

Disagree 100%. Point guards can easily still be top players into their mid-30's. Hell, Tony Parker turns 32 in May and is still easily a Top 5 point guard in this league. Rondo will still be a top flight point guard until his mid 30's. Trading him unless it was a GRAND SLAM trade would be even more stupid than winning meaningless games this season to cost us any chance of a Top 5 pick. You don't trade guys like Rondo. You try to acquire guys like Rondo. They don't just fall out of trees.

Is Tony Parker easily a top 5 PG as of 2013-14? Right now he is 10th in PER among point guards and he is only playing 31 MPG so one could argue he might not even be holding up as well with more minutes. And this is without Rose in the equation this year but admittedly Rose may be washed up. Parker has a PER of 19.8 which is very good but just the 8th best PER rating of his career. I am not stating PER is a flawless stat but when someone is barely 10th in it with a better defender in John Wall right behind him, I just find it hard to say Parker has been having a top 5 PG season without question.

Wherever he should be legitimately ranked right now, Tony Parker I highly doubt is a top 7 PG 2-3 years from now. Most of the PG's that were top 7 in their mid 30's really had size and/or great shooting capability. Parker is certainly at least a good shooter but he still is far from great at shooting.

Folks may say well he is only declining a bit since he is battling injuries... Well injuries are one of the reasons why players decline in their 30's.

Frankly I think the Spurs should let Parker walk if Duncan retires after next year.

There aren't 5 other PG's in the league I would take to lead my team in the playoffs....which is all that matters. Same with Rondo. I don't care what John Wall or Kyrie Irving do in January, Feb or March. Playing all world in the regular season is totally different than in the postseason. Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter and Grant Hill are perfect examples. Trading Rondo because he is 28 is silly. With today's equipment and supplements that would be like trading a 26 year-old in the 80's. Players are playing much longer and at a higher level longer today than they were in the 80's. Hell, KG's logged the most minutes in NBA history pretty much and still is a more than serviceable player. Rondo is still in the very early stages of his prime. Very early.

This is dumb