Official #2 Pick Thread - BP says it's down to AW/JP

[MiltownHawkeye]

Like most here I wanted wiggins but an unfortunate turn of events with embiids foot has made that a pipe dream sadly. Damn I wish the cavs would be dumb enough to take chubs Parker but I doubt it. I just don't like tweeners that don't play d like recent high picks Derek Williams and mike Beasley. I'd take exum over Parker personally but oh well.

So do we officially refer to Parker as Chubs now.

Chubby Chuck

[MiltownHawkeye]

re: Stauskas. He reminds me of Ray Allen.

If Stauskas were black, the hype train would multiple by 10.

There, I said it.

I've been saying this for awhile. People see the color of his skin first before they see that he creates his own shot, plays anove the rim and has PG skills. He's closer to Roy or Ginobili than pretty much any of the lazy white guy comparisons.

[Wonka]

re: Stauskas. He reminds me of Ray Allen.

If Stauskas were black, the hype train would multiple by 10.

There, I said it.

I've been saying this for awhile. People see the color of his skin first before they see that he creates his own shot, plays anove the rim and has PG skills. He's closer to Roy or Ginobili than pretty much any of the lazy white guy comparisons.

He's top 7 in my list of prospects. It's really amazing to me to see Gary Harris and McDermott being picked to go before him in the draft, and I've heard a lot lately about how McDermott is going to be exponentially better than Stauskas. I don't see that at all.

[TheWig]

Also, there is no way he gained 14+ pounds in two weeks

Oj probably helped him out on that part

[Swan Vox]

Here is a nice breakdown of the Kansas - Duke game this year that I found on the Cavs board. The analyst does a good job of breaking down both Parker & Wiggins. I know it's just one game, but a lot of the on-going issues that people have been discussing (good & bad) are on display in this small sample size:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBQ90qJVOCI#t=443[/youtube]

I still am feeling ambivalent about who to take. I can be convinced of either one at this point. Both will be great players, but not without flaws. Almost feel better at this point that the choice is out of our hands and the pressure is on Cleveland.

[theFireBlanket]

Parker v Wiggins

Man, I don't know. I voted Wiggins but I could easily be talked into Parker, it's really close for me. Higher ceiling on Wiggins, but I think Parker's is higher than some are giving him credit for. Higher offensive floor for Parker, higher defensive floor for Wiggins.

I can definitely fap to hypothetical future lineups with either. Wiggins gives you the insane defensive potential Luke mentioned and Parker gives you a great fit with Giannis and Sanders and a go to scorer we haven't had in forever.

From Parker's perspective, there can't be many better scenarios than to be paired with Sanders and Giannis to hide him defensively, plus having no one on the roster to hold him back from being a go to scorer. Our best players are a rim protector and a facilitating point forward.

Re: fit, if Parker being the pick leads to Giannis barely handling the ball, then I'm going to have a serious problem with that. I don't like the idea of the other players covering up for him on defense either. Sanders and Giannis over-committing will only lead to their covers having an easier time. Jabari needs to commit to making his defense better.

[Zeezprah]

For all the Parker-Haters thinking that Utah is going to swoop in to be their saving grace...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/1280Spence/status/480094270137704448[/tweet]

I'd put the chances of Utah taking Wiggins over Parker at about 0.0 percent. Stranger things have happened but that'd be like if the top prospect was the heir to the Klements sausage and Harley fortunes and we passed.

lol exactly. bs it's andrew wiggins. smokescreen of peace.

[LedZepp007]

Parker v Wiggins

Man, I don't know. I voted Wiggins but I could easily be talked into Parker, it's really close for me. Higher ceiling on Wiggins, but I think Parker's is higher than some are giving him credit for. Higher offensive floor for Parker, higher defensive floor for Wiggins.

I can definitely fap to hypothetical future lineups with either. Wiggins gives you the insane defensive potential Luke mentioned and Parker gives you a great fit with Giannis and Sanders and a go to scorer we haven't had in forever.

From Parker's perspective, there can't be many better scenarios than to be paired with Sanders and Giannis to hide him defensively, plus having no one on the roster to hold him back from being a go to scorer. Our best players are a rim protector and a facilitating point forward.

Re: fit, if Parker being the pick leads to Giannis barely handling the ball, then I'm going to have a serious problem with that. I don't like the idea of the other players covering up for him on defense either. Sanders and Giannis over-committing will only lead to their covers having an easier time. Jabari needs to commit to making his defense better.

I agree. But I also think there is no indication whatsoever that he won't put an enormous amount of work in.

[WeekapaugGroove]

FWIW, Steven Kyler tweeted, "Larry Sanders is on the table but won't fetch a top 10 pick."


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Interesting....Let's say LAL somehow lands Klay Thompson like the report suggests and they look to add a big. Would you trade Larry Sanders for a 2016 1st and 2nd plus Steve Nash?

Lakers can't trade their 16 pick since they owe 15 1st rounder to the suns from the Nash sign and trade.


I'm not worried about parkers weight. He's a pf from day one. once he measured out at normal pf size it calmed a lot of concerns I had about him as a prospect.

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[JayMKE]

Any one calling Jabari fat is either dumb or a hater. 11% body fat is pretty damn lean, most of us on here could only dream of being that fit. Lower than 11% is ripped like a bodybuilder. Parker is bigger and leaner than Kevin Love. Dude can play PF in this league, he moves around well and is skilled enough to play SF too. Kid is special.

[KeyRabbit]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSDl9JF5hvU[/youtube]

I want the options at 2 to both have great careers but I wonder how the workout looked unedited because his conditioning doesn't appear good in this workout either. I wouldn't call most of these moves effortless. He looks like he's working to get it all done.

There's definitely a heavy-footed look to a lot of his moves

No way.He looked pretty smooth for a guy 6'8". He does appear to look a little winded by the look on his face. I hope the Bucks did some conditioning test.

Smooth, yes. Good lift too. But there wasn't a step that would get by even an average NBA defender. Perhaps the drills weren't designed for that.

[Wooderson]

Here is a nice breakdown of the Kansas - Duke game this year that I found on the Cavs board. The analyst does a good job of breaking down both Parker & Wiggins. I know it's just one game, but a lot of the on-going issues that people have been discussing (good & bad) are on display in this small sample size:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBQ90qJVOCI#t=443[/youtube]

I still am feeling ambivalent about who to take. I can be convinced of either one at this point. Both will be great players, but not without flaws. Almost feel better at this point that the choice is out of our hands and the pressure is on Cleveland.

I posted a video of Parker's defensive troubles that game which coach Nick seemed to overlook. Kind of hard to blame him for having issues with Embiid in the 2nd half, but there were some real lapses against Perry Ellis.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1324457&start=2460 (middle of the page)

His offense was beautiful for most of that game though. I have the same ambivalence between these two because like you said both have question marks.

[mg]

Any one calling Jabari fat is either dumb or a hater. 11% body fat is pretty damn lean, most of us on here could only dream of being that fit. Lower than 11% is ripped like a bodybuilder. Parker is bigger and leaner than Kevin Love. Dude can play PF in this league, he moves around well and is skilled enough to play SF too. Kid is special.

Kyrie Irving also had a high body fat % coming out of Duke which hasn't effected his play. Some thought Kevin Love was a bit out of shape compared to NBA standards before he was drafted. Once these 19 year old kids start working with NBA trainers this stuff shouldn't be an issue.

As long as Bucks don't start overthinking they should be fine. Just take the one that will be available between Parker and Wiggins and don't listen to all the interweb talk. They have already visited with both kids so they know the real deal..no reason to be swayed by all the smoke that will be slung around the next few days leading to the draft.

[JayMKE]

Fat ass Nik Stauskas is 12.1% body fat

[buckboy]

re: Stauskas. He reminds me of Ray Allen.

I was thinking about that this morning and I think that's a pretty good comp.

[jwalsh52]

Any one calling Jabari fat is either dumb or a hater. 11% body fat is pretty damn lean, most of us on here could only dream of being that fit. Lower than 11% is ripped like a bodybuilder. Parker is bigger and leaner than Kevin Love. Dude can play PF in this league, he moves around well and is skilled enough to play SF too. Kid is special.

Don't worry in a few years they will trade Parker away to make room for their new favorite forward.

[Zeezprah]

7th grade jabari footage. just kind of funny watching.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lIBTew48G8[/youtube]

[JEIS]

Jabari reminds me of a less athletic T Mac.

[Licensed to Il]

Wolters, Wiggins, Giannis, Henson, Sanders would be one of the tallest starting lineups in recent history. Couldn't really score in the half court, but would show flashes of dominant defense (with a different coach).

LOL at people calling Jabari fat, slow,or unathletic. He is no Shawn Kemp, but has above average size, skill, and speed. Half the scouts in the league want him first overall, and some here are acting like he is a below replacement level player.

Final thought, having a similar skill set as a current NBA player (i.e. Carmello) does not guarantee a prospect to follow the same career arc. Think about how short sided it is to think otherwise.

[Thunder Muscle]

Conditioning is a concern, but I do think if the work ethic is there that it won't be an issue once you get him with professional trainers, nutrition, etc. Its the ones that don't like to work that you have to worry about. By all accounts, Jabari would seem to be a worker.

I lean Jabari at this point, but man it feels good that Wiggins or Parker will be ours.