Marcus Smart

ConstableGeneva · Post #241 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:28 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:One thing I definitely disagree with is Marcus getting to the rim at will. I don't believe this has ever been the case during a game. I find it pleasantly very surprising when smart beats his man. I DO think he's way better at this than previous years and was stunted playing out of position, and into a role that had him using his worst skill- the 3.

He doesn't need to get to the rim at will although that would be ideal. And I agree he can't. He has no lift with the ball in his hands. He just needs to get into the paint at will like he did in OKC. There's a difference. And he's gotten better at that. IINM, he's shooting just under 50% from within 3-10 feet which is quite good. He has consistently hit those little floaters once his defender's behind him or gets caught on a screen. And he's been more than passable at locating shooters or cutters once he's probed the restricted area. His shooting might not have improved but he's making progress in other areas.

jfs1000d · Post #242 » by **jfs1000d** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 6:40 pm

He has to stop chucking 3s. Get to the basket, and corner threes only. He uses the 3 as his primary shot. And he isn't good at it.

I would trade him. If he got 30 minutes a night as prime ballhandler in philly he would be terrific. He just needs to become a 40% shooter to earn his keep.

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Banks2Pierce · Post #243 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 7:57 pm

jfs1000d wrote:I would trade him. If he got 30 minutes a night as prime ballhandler in philly he would be terrific. He just needs to become a 40% shooter to earn his keep.

I'm disappointed in the shot this year. No doubt about it. But Smart has a skillset that is typically not valued as high as it probably should be in the trade(and then FA) market. Don't think you should be looking to move a guy like that.

Dannyboy36 · Post #244 » by **Dannyboy36** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:11 pm

jfs1000d wrote:He has to stop chucking 3s. Get to the basket, and corner threes only. He uses the 3 as his primary shot. And he isn't good at it.

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Someone needs to let the coach know he can't shoot the 3.

Homerclease · Post #245 » by **Homerclease** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:14 pm

Make the guy a post up guard, he's bigger and stronger than pretty much every PG in the league. Guy could make a career playing back to the basket

Dannyboy36 · Post #246 » by **Dannyboy36** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:06 pm

I'm actually starting to get cautiously optimistic about smart but I think he may need a different who knows what's a good and bad shot from him.

shawn unkempt · Post #247 » by **shawn unkempt** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:18 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:
Dannyboy36 wrote:One thing I definitely disagree with is Marcus getting to the rim at will. I don't believe this has ever been the case during a game. I find it pleasantly very surprising when smart beats his man. I DO think he's way better at this than previous years and was stunted playing out of position, and into a role that had him using his worst skill- the 3.

He doesn't need to get to the rim at will although that would be ideal. And I agree he can't. He has no lift with the ball in his hands. He just needs to get into the paint at will like he did in OKC. There's a difference. And he's gotten better at that. IINM, he's shooting just under 50% from within 3-10 feet which is quite good. He has consistently hit those little floaters once his defender's behind him or gets caught on a screen. And he's been more than passable at locating shooters or cutters once he's probed the restricted area. His shooting might not have improved but he's making progress in other areas.

His reluctance to dribble past the 3 point line is very annoying. We saw what kind of passer he is in the OKC game when actually dribbles the ball into the teeth of the defense. There's no excuse for him not to do that every game.

Dannyboy36 · Post #248 » by **Dannyboy36** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:14 pm

Well, I wasn't paying enough attention. I was really happy with the game Smart played but at the same time I didn't realize he was getting in the paint whenever he wanted. That's sooo encouraging. I don't know how I missed that.
I really questioned whether a guy at this stage could develop his handle so much. I think I was just flat out incorrect because Bradley improved greatly with his handle too.
Props to both players. It's not a fun skill to work on. I found it incredibly back breaking to get to a semi satisfying skill level and that was high school stuff.

OFWGKTA · Post #249 » by **OFWGKTA** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:37 pm

Messing around with nba.com/stats...if I don't include Smart's half court or further heaves (0/5) and desperation shots with 4-0 seconds left in the shot clock (1/14, 0/7 from 3), he's at 40% from the floor 33% from 3, with a 50%TS. Nothing special obviously, but somewhat encouraging considering the shots from 4-0 seconds in the shot clock last year helped his efficiency more than any other shot (11/24, 6/14 from 3).

Dannyboy36 · Post #250 » by **Dannyboy36** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:08 pm

Does Smart have a lot more desperation heaves or last second on shot clock shots than most players??

OFWGKTA · Post #251 » by **OFWGKTA** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:37 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:Does Smart have a lot more desperation heaves or last second on shot clock shots than most players??

Bradley 4-0 seconds: 2/12 1/3 from 3, 0/1 on heaves

Thomas: 2/17 1/9 from 3, 0/0 on heaves

Crowder: 4/9 2/7 from 3, 0/0 on heaves

Horford: 4/14 1/1 from 3, 0/0 on heaves

Rozier: 5/12 2/5 from 3, 0/3 on heaves

Dannyboy36 · Post #252 » by **Dannyboy36** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:30 pm

Oh, I meant around the league. But thank you for those stats. It just seems peeps are trying to give every excuse to smart's deficiencies. I just think he is who he is. A great role player to have.

cloverleaf · Post #253 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:24 pm

OFWGKTA wrote:
Dannyboy36 wrote:Does Smart have a lot more desperation heaves or last second on shot clock shots than most players??

Bradley 4-0 seconds: 2/12 1/3 from 3, 0/1 on heaves

Thomas: 2/17 1/9 from 3, 0/0 on heaves

Crowder: 4/9 2/7 from 3, 0/0 on heaves

Horford: 4/14 1/1 from 3, 0/0 on heaves

Rozier: 5/12 2/5 from 3, 0/3 on heaves

Take TRoz's 3 heaves out and he's shooting 34% from the 3: very respectable for a guy still getting comfortable in the NBA and in a key role.

2Mas · Post #254 » by **2Mas** » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:47 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:Oh, I meant around the league. But thank you for those stats. It just seems peeps are trying to give every excuse to smart's deficiencies. I just think he is who he is. A great role player to have.

This is what I take from it.

What's more telling IMO is that that means he ahs 99 3fga's that aren't heaves

Dude's chucking 4.5 3's a game :banghead:

Brad gotta stop this. That is ridiculous.

Anyways -- Smart played another good floor game last night. I love when hes attacking putting up those little floaters & push shots. It's weird cause he doesn't work the glass well, but he does have a soft touch on the floaters.

I think it's kinda obvious that when IT comes back, Smart needs more on ball time. Last 5 games he put up 12-5-4 on 44-29-71%'s. & If he's not chucking up 4+ 3's a game, that 44 would be much closer to 50. It's encouraging to see him put the ball in the hoop a bit. Hope Brad realizes maybe IT needs some off guard time.

ConstableGeneva · Post #255 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:47 pm

Not sure when this happened, but Smart's 2nd in Defensive RPM among PGs behind CP3 (15th in overall RPM among PGs): http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1

DoubleHappiness · Post #256 » by **DoubleHappiness** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:51 am

I have been trying to come up with comps for Marcus but there really aren't any great ones. However, with his increased willingness to try and get in the lane this year (if that continues), Im starting to see shades of Andre Miller in his offensive game. I think if he doesn't figure out his shooting, his peak is Andre Miller with elite defense.

Drax · Post #257 » by **Drax** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:47 am

My last project regarding Smart, is the effect of his three point volume and the impact on the teams win loss record. The fewer he shoots the better the Celtics record, i think.

Dannyboy36 · Post #258 » by **Dannyboy36** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:18 pm

Do you guys think Stevens thinks smart will just improve if he keeps jacking them. Stevens isn't one for being concerned with long term results.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #259 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:08 pm

Fingers crossed, but I think Marcus is almost there, on the verge of one of Bradley's tier-jumps. Defense is elite. Don't minimize that because we don't know how to compare it to offense in impact. He's an elite defender. His plus-minus is always good for us. His passing has always been good in a limited way, and that's becoming clearer. He isn't Rondo - he can only see one pass, one player away, but he's getting better and more creative at making those plays. Handles improving. Game slowing down. And there's some stuff in his splits that could be flukey, but suggests he's going to settle down as a shooter and scorer. .403 shooting in 9 December games (three-point percentage drops, unfortunately.) .406 shooting in losses, on 11.6 shots, .320 on 7.9 shots in wins. But since a lot of those losses have been with IT/Horford out, it suggests he does better with more responsibility, and can smooth out the kinks in his play with more time and choices. In 4 games as a starting guard (not a starting forward, where he's played 5 games and shot .385), .439 shooting.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #260 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:10 pm

Comps are tough. Some sort of Billups/Andre Miller hybrid, maybe. He doesn't have Chauncey's quicks, but he's not as unathletic as Miller, and he's going to be able to use his strength more. Being mostly ground bound and deliberate but strong, clever, creative (cf. Pierce), he can do a lot within an offense. And he just keeps grinding, he could add a Gary Payton post game.