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ChosenSavior wrote:Bergmaniac wrote:How the hell did we score 126? Was the Bucks defence hilariously bad or it was more of a case of both Augustine and Simmons randomly getting hot from downtown in the same game and making plenty of tough shots?
It was a little bit of both honestly. Bucks were horrible defending the perimeter which allowed Augustin and Simms to get into a rhythm.
Skybox wrote:Blue_and_Whte wrote:SOUL wrote:
Yeah, but that quote would mean more if it wasn't said at the end of every season, for the last 6 seasons.
I equate cheering for this team to win at this stage like ordering a well-done steak at a restaurant. You're welcome to enjoy the steak (or the team) however you like it, but the minute you start complaining about how it doesn't taste as good as what the others are having (aka better results from better draft picks), people aren't going to take ywhoever ordered that steak seriously.
This team has always been like that. Payton putting up good numbers.... after the seasons already over. The team as a whole 3 years ago under Skiles playing well towards the end of the season putting us just out of position to pick Porzingis
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That would be TWO spots from Jah Okafor
j-ragg wrote:Howard Mass wrote:Nice bounce back win for The Magic although a lot of people will not be happy due to the Lotto standings.
After every game you say this. We get it man you don’t like tanking. It’s cool. Doesn’t make people who care about the draft slot any less of fans.
j-ragg wrote:Howard Mass wrote:Nice bounce back win for The Magic although a lot of people will not be happy due to the Lotto standings.
After every game you say this. We get it man you don’t like tanking. It’s cool. Doesn’t make people who care about the draft slot any less of fans.
Patrick1978 wrote:I hope Birch and iwundu stay in our rotation next season.like their game.
Iwundu offers a lot of versatility on the court.
OrlandO wrote:j-ragg wrote:Howard Mass wrote:Nice bounce back win for The Magic although a lot of people will not be happy due to the Lotto standings.
After every game you say this. We get it man you don’t like tanking. It’s cool. Doesn’t make people who care about the draft slot any less of fans.
lol where does he say or imply people aren't fans for wanting to tank? I think as an admin he's just playing to both sides...
NBAchamps2017 wrote:JF5 wrote:Was at the game and actually pleased to see them win this game (though I want them to tank).
My observations from the Magic side were heavily focused on Issac (as he's obviously the main piece to the future).
1. He was being abused by Giannis. Though we would assume that he could guard him the best and give him the most problems that wasn't the case at all with how Giannis toyed with him. To be fair he is a rookie so it does make sense for him to get dominated by him.
2. He was gassed so easily... Having a hard time getting up and down the court from start to finish while watching this game (Birch subbed for him multiple times as he was laboring). That was pretty frightening to see and a little concerning seeing how he'd barely be on the court for 3-4 minutes and already have his hands on his knees. Shows that he's out of shape he is (due to not playing for several months) and his current body not being able to take the physical aspect and durability of the NBA. It might take him 2-3 years on that front to actually see him be able to body up guys in the paint.
3. He has no confidence offensively, barely any offensive game, nor does it seem like he has an alpha dog mentality. Right now he's a catch and shoot guy. From what I saw from him and how he carried himself on the court. Good player but I don't think he'll ever be a go-to-guy offensively. Unless his game makes major strides with his confidence and abilities his ceiling to me turned into guy who will most likely be in the Serge Ibaka/Rasheed Wallace/Rashard Lewis bracket which I talked about when he initially drafted him. Though this is a premature observation this to me seems like the most likely trajectory.
This guy is a MAJOR project and unfortunately that is something that fans don't want to hear right now. He's a guy where you'll most likely see a expansive change in his game in 3-4 years. Luckily that gives this team all the more reason to tank and get better players. Luckily for him I feel like he's a guy whose a keeper long term as he provides versatility/intangibles with his defense/size.
The one thing I might add is that we might be regret drafting Issac over Dennis Smith Jr. in a few years (IMO). But we'll see...
or Donovan Mitchell or Kyle Kuzma. Time to change the scouting personnel. They are all
Howard Mass wrote:OrlandO wrote:j-ragg wrote:After every game you say this. We get it man you don’t like tanking. It’s cool. Doesn’t make people who care about the draft slot any less of fans.
lol where does he say or imply people aren't fans for wanting to tank? I think as an admin he's just playing to both sides...
This is simply a tough situation.
It's sad when fans have the dilemma of whether or not they want their team to lose.
These past 6 seasons have been hell and I want a good pick too. However, I believe the culture around here needs to change but I also look at the standings and understand the consequences of winning.
The situation is difficult for us all.
rcklsscognition wrote:9 assists for Vuc, almost had a trip dub with 22/9/9. 4 steals too.
axl_c_cool wrote:Howard Mass wrote:OrlandO wrote:lol where does he say or imply people aren't fans for wanting to tank? I think as an admin he's just playing to both sides...
This is simply a tough situation.
It's sad when fans have the dilemma of whether or not they want their team to lose.
These past 6 seasons have been hell and I want a good pick too. However, I believe the culture around here needs to change but I also look at the standings and understand the consequences of winning.
The situation is difficult for us all.
Totally understand Howard, I've been here a while and you were here a while before me, your love for the team can't be doubted so wanting to win can't be either. I agree the culture needs to change, that means moving players and rebuilding properly with a franchise cornerstone. Gordon and Isaac can be All Stars, but they aren't starts on contenders. I have nothing against Vucevic, Fournier, Ross, Augustine, Biyombo, Afflalo, etc, but we need new personal in with to change our culture and they probably need a new start. I personally see the roster of us competing for a championship (1 day) made up like us
??/??
??/??/Iwundu
??/??
Gordon/Hezonja
Isaac/Birch
we need at least 3 starters with 1 being a star and 1 being a 2nd or 3rd option, depending on how much Gordon and/or Isaac progress. With Isaac I see him as a modern centre, he will grow more, he will fill out, he will be able to shot, and will cause opposition centres serious problems in 3-5 years. His defence will be elite and playing those bigger players 1 on 1 he will have the speed to beat them off the dribble and make them guard him from the 3 point line, he has a very exciting ceiling.
The draft this year is really interesting, the biggest shame though is the Michael Porter Jr injury, otherwise he would have plugged right in at SF and been perfect for our team. I'm not sure Doncic is a #1 option on offence, but he might be the best prospect and make everyone better. He is my first choice, followed by Trae Young, if we could somehow end up with both of them, this rebuild could be a lot quicker than it looks like it's going to take. As for Vucevic, Fournier, etc, we need to trade them to get back in for Young or for future picks. That's the route we should take in my opinion, it's a long process though, and starts with losing these remaining 18-28? games
axl_c_cool wrote:Howard Mass wrote:OrlandO wrote:lol where does he say or imply people aren't fans for wanting to tank? I think as an admin he's just playing to both sides...
This is simply a tough situation.
It's sad when fans have the dilemma of whether or not they want their team to lose.
These past 6 seasons have been hell and I want a good pick too. However, I believe the culture around here needs to change but I also look at the standings and understand the consequences of winning.
The situation is difficult for us all.
Totally understand Howard, I've been here a while and you were here a while before me, your love for the team can't be doubted so wanting to win can't be either. I agree the culture needs to change, that means moving players and rebuilding properly with a franchise cornerstone. Gordon and Isaac can be All Stars, but they aren't starts on contenders. I have nothing against Vucevic, Fournier, Ross, Augustine, Biyombo, Afflalo, etc, but we need new personal in with to change our culture and they probably need a new start. I personally see the roster of us competing for a championship (1 day) made up like us
??/??
??/??/Iwundu
??/??
Gordon/Hezonja
Isaac/Birch
we need at least 3 starters with 1 being a star and 1 being a 2nd or 3rd option, depending on how much Gordon and/or Isaac progress. With Isaac I see him as a modern centre, he will grow more, he will fill out, he will be able to shot, and will cause opposition centres serious problems in 3-5 years. His defence will be elite and playing those bigger players 1 on 1 he will have the speed to beat them off the dribble and make them guard him from the 3 point line, he has a very exciting ceiling.
The draft this year is really interesting, the biggest shame though is the Michael Porter Jr injury, otherwise he would have plugged right in at SF and been perfect for our team. I'm not sure Doncic is a #1 option on offence, but he might be the best prospect and make everyone better. He is my first choice, followed by Trae Young, if we could somehow end up with both of them, this rebuild could be a lot quicker than it looks like it's going to take. As for Vucevic, Fournier, etc, we need to trade them to get back in for Young or for future picks. That's the route we should take in my opinion, it's a long process though, and starts with losing these remaining 18-28? games
axl_c_cool wrote:Howard Mass wrote:OrlandO wrote:lol where does he say or imply people aren't fans for wanting to tank? I think as an admin he's just playing to both sides...
This is simply a tough situation.
It's sad when fans have the dilemma of whether or not they want their team to lose.
These past 6 seasons have been hell and I want a good pick too. However, I believe the culture around here needs to change but I also look at the standings and understand the consequences of winning.
The situation is difficult for us all.
Totally understand Howard, I've been here a while and you were here a while before me, your love for the team can't be doubted so wanting to win can't be either. I agree the culture needs to change, that means moving players and rebuilding properly with a franchise cornerstone. Gordon and Isaac can be All Stars, but they aren't starts on contenders. I have nothing against Vucevic, Fournier, Ross, Augustine, Biyombo, Afflalo, etc, but we need new personal in with to change our culture and they probably need a new start. I personally see the roster of us competing for a championship (1 day) made up like us
??/??
??/??/Iwundu
??/??
Gordon/Hezonja
Isaac/Birch
we need at least 3 starters with 1 being a star and 1 being a 2nd or 3rd option, depending on how much Gordon and/or Isaac progress. With Isaac I see him as a modern centre, he will grow more, he will fill out, he will be able to shot, and will cause opposition centres serious problems in 3-5 years. His defence will be elite and playing those bigger players 1 on 1 he will have the speed to beat them off the dribble and make them guard him from the 3 point line, he has a very exciting ceiling.
The draft this year is really interesting, the biggest shame though is the Michael Porter Jr injury, otherwise he would have plugged right in at SF and been perfect for our team. I'm not sure Doncic is a #1 option on offence, but he might be the best prospect and make everyone better. He is my first choice, followed by Trae Young, if we could somehow end up with both of them, this rebuild could be a lot quicker than it looks like it's going to take. As for Vucevic, Fournier, etc, we need to trade them to get back in for Young or for future picks. That's the route we should take in my opinion, it's a long process though, and starts with losing these remaining 18-28? games
RubberSoul wrote:Tanking is much more exciting than 8th seed chasing.
SOUL wrote:Yeah, but that quote would mean more if it wasn't said at the end of every season, for the last 6 seasons.
I equate cheering for this team to win at this stage like ordering a well-done steak at a restaurant. You're welcome to enjoy the steak (or the team) however you like it, but the minute you start complaining about how it doesn't taste as good as what the others are having (aka better results from better draft picks), people aren't going to take ywhoever ordered that steak seriously.
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Its early but I see nothing indicating Isaac will be an all star.
