[SHAMS] Serge Ibaka agrees to deal with Clippers, 2yrs/19mil

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

You know who would be a dream fit as a backup PG? Milos Teodosic. He was so good for us, but his damn foot injuries man. Was fun watching him play and his passing/court vision is prodigy level.

Maybe they can convince Darren Collison to come out of retirement.

[TheNewEra]

Clippers need a point guard..not sure who is left to trade to the team.. you need a decent point guard..who passes..and will hit a 3 every now and then.. thought DJ Augustine would have looked good..but he is on the Bucks now...

I think they were banking on sign and trading Trezz for a PG

The fact the team seemed so surprised he left makes it pretty obvious. They are gonna be scraping the discount bin at this point.

There really was no surprise both sides were in bad terms and Harrell is a Klutch player. Maybe thought he would get more but him coming back was a low chance or working with the team for S&t.

The starters are in place and we added Ibaka and Kennard to the bench. We have a bunch of young players ready in the third string unit and still have the BAE and Lou Williams plus 2nds to make moves

[GODeron]

Dont think it will matter, the team still considerably worse. But this signing is the best of the whole free agency for me. If they get last year Ibaka it was highway robbery

This is bogus.

Out: Shamet, Harrell, Green

In: Kennard, Ibaka, Patterson (re-signed)

Then you factor the addition by subtraction of losing Doc+Harrell which means more minutes for Zubac and the other young kids, and hopefully more cohesive team and coaching. I don't see any way they got worse. I'd say so far they only got marginally better, but still likely to do another couple moves. So the verdict is out.

Harrell just won 6moy and you think he is bad?

[Roscoe Sheed]

Dont think it will matter, the team still considerably worse. But this signing is the best of the whole free agency for me. If they get last year Ibaka it was highway robbery

This is bogus.

Out: Shamet, Harrell, Green

In: Kennard, Ibaka, Patterson (re-signed)

Then you factor the addition by subtraction of losing Doc+Harrell which means more minutes for Zubac and the other young kids, and hopefully more cohesive team and coaching. I don't see any way they got worse. I'd say so far they only got marginally better, but still likely to do another couple moves. So the verdict is out.

Harrell just won 6moy and you think he is bad?

he played very poorly in the playoffs. It could have been due to the emotional suffering of losing his grandmother and being out of shape from quarantine on return, but they would have been better off if he didn't play at all. Doc was very loyal to him and hoped he would snap out of it but he never really did. If only he played Green, Patterson, or Noah more they likely would have won the Denver series. Jokic in particular just feasted on Harrell.

[Roscoe Sheed]

You know who would be a dream fit as a backup PG? Milos Teodosic. He was so good for us, but his damn foot injuries man. Was fun watching him play and his passing/court vision is prodigy level.

he would be great on offense but he was perhaps the worst defensive player I've ever seen in the history of the NBA. He couldn't keep anybody in front of him

[clippertown]

Clips can now trade Zubac and Beverly (plus 4 seconds recently acquired) for a true $22M point guard that can actually start. Team is rounding into place and looking better than last season.

Trading Zubac would be a terrible idea. He's still the teams best defensive big man and rim protector.

Zubac is untradable until we see what he can do at 30 mpg. If he fails to handle the increased load all season, then sure. Ps... Don't forget best screener (Highest % in league of screens leading to buckets). in NBA and offensive rebounder.

I don’t want to lose Zubac but he does have reasonable positive value on the market unlike Beverly. Do the Clippers need a real facilitator who starts or do they need a backup Center that is very capable?

Say the trade was Bev + Zubac for Dinwiddie or Rubio. Would that be worth it or should the team just call it a day?

[Roscoe Sheed]

Trading Zubac would be a terrible idea. He's still the teams best defensive big man and rim protector.

Zubac is untradable until we see what he can do at 30 mpg. If he fails to handle the increased load all season, then sure. Ps... Don't forget best screener (Highest % in league of screens leading to buckets). in NBA and offensive rebounder.

I don’t want to lose Zubac but he does have reasonable positive value on the market unlike Beverly. Do the Clippers need a real facilitator who starts or do they need a backup Center that is very capable?

Say the trade was Bev + Zubac for Dinwiddie or Rubio. Would that be worth it or should the team just call it a day?

I agree that the Clippers should keep Zubac unless a great deal comes along.

I would first ask Darren Collison to reconsider retirement one more time. If not, maybe re-sign Reggie Jackson and give him a bigger role. I liked the way he played in the playoffs and wished Doc would have given him more time in the Denver series when Shamet and Lou Williams were off.

[_qubik]

This is bogus.

Out: Shamet, Harrell, Green

In: Kennard, Ibaka, Patterson (re-signed)

Then you factor the addition by subtraction of losing Doc+Harrell which means more minutes for Zubac and the other young kids, and hopefully more cohesive team and coaching. I don't see any way they got worse. I'd say so far they only got marginally better, but still likely to do another couple moves. So the verdict is out.

Harrell just won 6moy and you think he is bad?

he played very poorly in the playoffs. It could have been due to the emotional suffering of losing his grandmother and being out of shape from quarantine on return, but they would have been better off if he didn't play at all. Doc was very loyal to him and hoped he would snap out of it but he never really did. If only he played Green, Patterson, or Noah more they likely would have won the Denver series. Jokic in particular just feasted on Harrell.

Man, Harrell is good, as any player he has his flaws, and the Clippers roster construction just isnt good to improve the strenghts and minimize the weakness. Clippers still doesnt have a serviceable Point Guard, Kennard is a very good shooter, nothing more, and injury prone, Patterson is a end of the bench rotation guy at this point. At least Ibaka was a great signing, the best free agency signing until now in my opinion. At the beggining of last season Clippers roster was labeled as the best, and they truly got tons of talent, but not cohesive talent, when you add that **** behavior, poor coaching and lack of a true PG the result was the playoff elimination blowing a huge lead. So, even DJ Augustin could help the Clippers ... Zubac needs minutes, he played very well, Ibaka complements the center rotation, their value took a hit but Kawhi and PG13 are great wings, where is the freaking point guard ?? No one can expect Kawhi or PG13 will morph in a Lebron lite version and be the team floor general, both have complementary passing, but they need the lead passing. I'm a soccer guy, Basketball is about fun, I wanna see stacked teams playing otherwordly ball all over the league, it pisses me off when teams with great rosters/stars like the Clips and Bucks doesnt do the simples and maximize their winning chances

[510TWSS]

I thought Serge could've gotten more than $9.5 aav. Must've wanted to be closer to the bright lights of the LA fashion scene

[Roscoe Sheed]

Harrell just won 6moy and you think he is bad?

he played very poorly in the playoffs. It could have been due to the emotional suffering of losing his grandmother and being out of shape from quarantine on return, but they would have been better off if he didn't play at all. Doc was very loyal to him and hoped he would snap out of it but he never really did. If only he played Green, Patterson, or Noah more they likely would have won the Denver series. Jokic in particular just feasted on Harrell.

Man, Harrell is good, as any player he has his flaws, and the Clippers roster construction just isnt good to improve the strenghts and minimize the weakness. Clippers still doesnt have a serviceable Point Guard, Kennard is a very good shooter, nothing more, and injury prone, Patterson is a end of the bench rotation guy at this point. At least Ibaka was a great signing, the best free agency signing until now in my opinion. At the beggining of last season Clippers roster was labeled as the best, and they truly got tons of talent, but not cohesive talent, when you add that **** behavior, poor coaching and lack of a true PG the result was the playoff elimination blowing a huge lead. So, even DJ Augustin could help the Clippers ... Zubac needs minutes, he played very well, Ibaka complements the center rotation, their value took a hit but Kawhi and PG13 are great wings, where is the freaking point guard ?? No one can expect Kawhi or PG13 will morph in a Lebron lite version and be the team floor general, both have complementary passing, but they need the lead passing. I'm a soccer guy, Basketball is about fun, I wanna see stacked teams playing otherwordly ball all over the league, it pisses me off when teams with great rosters/stars like the Clips and Bucks doesnt do the simples and maximize their winning chances

Of course, every player has flaws. Harrell's strengths are his motor of offense, his hands, and his ability to finish around the rim (unless he is being guarded by a taller player that he can't easily get around).

Kennard is more than a shooter from what I've seen. He is a decent ball handler and passer too.

They know they need a true point guard and apparently tried to get Rondo but couldn't. There aren't a lot of good true point guards available.

[LouisLitt]

This is bogus.

Out: Shamet, Harrell, Green

In: Kennard, Ibaka, Patterson (re-signed)

Then you factor the addition by subtraction of losing Doc+Harrell which means more minutes for Zubac and the other young kids, and hopefully more cohesive team and coaching. I don't see any way they got worse. I'd say so far they only got marginally better, but still likely to do another couple moves. So the verdict is out.

Harrell just won 6moy and you think he is bad?

he played very poorly in the playoffs. It could have been due to the emotional suffering of losing his grandmother and being out of shape from quarantine on return, but they would have been better off if he didn't play at all. Doc was very loyal to him and hoped he would snap out of it but he never really did. If only he played Green, Patterson, or Noah more they likely would have won the Denver series. Jokic in particular just feasted on Harrell.

I feel bad for Harrell now even though I don't like him.

Imagine coming off the bench for less than 20 minutes a game in the Denver series, while PG & Kawhi play 40 minutes and look terrible, but you get the blame for that series?

[California Gold]

I personally like the Ibaka fit better than Harrell for the Clippers.

Harrell is a high energy guy but Ibaka is more skilled to me. Ibaka also has championship experience so that'll be a big help for a team trying to get over the hump.

[JordansBulls]

I personally like the Ibaka fit better than Harrell for the Clippers.

Harrell is a high energy guy but Ibaka is more skilled to me. Ibaka also has championship experience so that'll be a big help for a team trying to get over the hump.

Also someone who would be better to defend AD, Jokic

[ali1979]

Most people say Ibaka is better than Harrell. When Harrell signed I saw a lot of comments stating there was under table money otherwise it was impossible. So called better player Ibaka takes the same money but I did not see any comment about under table money even LAC owner is richer than any owner.

What is the reason for this jealousy, stupidity, or pure hate.

[EArl]

This is bogus.

Out: Shamet, Harrell, Green

In: Kennard, Ibaka, Patterson (re-signed)

Then you factor the addition by subtraction of losing Doc+Harrell which means more minutes for Zubac and the other young kids, and hopefully more cohesive team and coaching. I don't see any way they got worse. I'd say so far they only got marginally better, but still likely to do another couple moves. So the verdict is out.

Harrell just won 6moy and you think he is bad?

he played very poorly in the playoffs. It could have been due to the emotional suffering of losing his grandmother and being out of shape from quarantine on return, but they would have been better off if he didn't play at all. Doc was very loyal to him and hoped he would snap out of it but he never really did. If only he played Green, Patterson, or Noah more they likely would have won the Denver series. Jokic in particular just feasted on Harrell.

Yeah he played bad, but so did everyone else on that team. Your best two players playing like **** is the reason you lose. not your first man off the bench. Jimmy freaking Butler dragged the Heat to two wins the Finals. If Kahwi is as good as people say than one win out of 3 should have been a cake walk for him.

[TheNewEra]

Most people say Ibaka is better than Harrell. When Harrell signed I saw a lot of comments stating there was under table money otherwise it was impossible. So called better player Ibaka takes the same money but I did not see any comment about under table money even LAC owner is richer than any owner.

What is the reason for this jealousy, stupidity, or pure hate.

Seems like a personal insecurity problem.

Harrell was chasing money and got paid less. Ibaka likely had a particular situation he wanted to go to and made his available options smaller. Do you think Ibaka would of went to a rebuilding situation?

[SweetTouch]

Iblocka is about to turn 37, so this deal makes sense

Get your money old brother

[TheNewEra]

Harrell just won 6moy and you think he is bad?

he played very poorly in the playoffs. It could have been due to the emotional suffering of losing his grandmother and being out of shape from quarantine on return, but they would have been better off if he didn't play at all. Doc was very loyal to him and hoped he would snap out of it but he never really did. If only he played Green, Patterson, or Noah more they likely would have won the Denver series. Jokic in particular just feasted on Harrell.

Yeah he played bad, but so did everyone else on that team. Your best two players playing like **** is the reason you lose. not your first man off the bench. Jimmy freaking Butler dragged the Heat to two wins the Finals. If Kahwi is as good as people say than one win out of 3 should have been a cake walk for him.

You don’t win when a coach isn’t willing to adapt and one of the worse net ratings players in the postseason keeps getting minutes. There were some issues the players had to overcome in a different situation is done. Whether laker fans want to acknowledge it or not clippers fans are glad Harrell and Doc Rivers are gone

[Son Goku 25]

Everyone was so quick to clown us too. Now just add Gasol as a 3rd center and a PG via trade.

just take Lowry while you're at it at admit Kawhi needed the Raptors.. thankfully for the Raptors Nurse is locked up

[og15]

Harrell just won 6moy and you think he is bad?

he played very poorly in the playoffs. It could have been due to the emotional suffering of losing his grandmother and being out of shape from quarantine on return, but they would have been better off if he didn't play at all. Doc was very loyal to him and hoped he would snap out of it but he never really did. If only he played Green, Patterson, or Noah more they likely would have won the Denver series. Jokic in particular just feasted on Harrell.

I feel bad for Harrell now even though I don't like him.

Imagine coming off the bench for less than 20 minutes a game in the Denver series, while PG & Kawhi play 40 minutes and look terrible, but you get the blame for that series?

No, no Harrell is not to blame for the series, if we're going to start asigning individual blame, the stars pooping the bed in the 2nd half of game 7, but before that, the coaching staff not being able to find any adjustments to prevent a 2nd half 3 games in a row, that's a big problem. How can you have the same issue happen 3 games in a row and have 4 2nd half quarters of ineptitude in a row, that's a big problem. Also Harrell didn't check himself into and out of the games, soo...