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Post#241 » by nykballa2k4 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:05 am

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BugginOut wrote:Random, but is there anyway we could sign Chris Paul to a 3 yr/100 million contract and Kawhi to the max just using cap space or would we have to make trades?


No. Why would Paul leave a winning team in PHX? Why would Kawhi want to leave his home in Southern Cal?

I know that doesn't answer your question, and I guess it's okay to dream. I'm just being an ass today. My apologizes. :lol:

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So your question is can we do anything to clear about 67M cap space. Cap is 112, Noah is 6.6M still against the cap.

So the answer is.... Math.
Short version, we would have to renounce most of our guys bird rights, QO's etc. Randle, Mitch and Barrett combine for about 30M. I believe we would have to move Toppin, Knox and our 2 1sts this year.
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Post#242 » by BugginOut » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:08 am

nykballa2k4 wrote:
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No. Why would Paul leave a winning team in PHX? Why would Kawhi want to leave his home in Southern Cal?

I know that doesn't answer your question, and I guess it's okay to dream. I'm just being an ass today. My apologizes. :lol:

:crazy:

So your question is can we do anything to clear about 67M cap space. Cap is 112, Noah is 6.6M still against the cap.

So the answer is.... Math.
Short version, we would have to renounce most of our guys bird rights, QO's etc. Randle, Mitch and Barrett combine for about 30M. I believe we would have to move Toppin, Knox and our 2 1sts this year.

Yeah so not possible without a sign and trade. That’s what I thought. Thanks
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Post#243 » by nykballa2k4 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:10 am

BugginOut wrote:
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BugginOut wrote: :crazy:

So your question is can we do anything to clear about 67M cap space. Cap is 112, Noah is 6.6M still against the cap.

So the answer is.... Math.
Short version, we would have to renounce most of our guys bird rights, QO's etc. Randle, Mitch and Barrett combine for about 30M. I believe we would have to move Toppin, Knox and our 2 1sts this year.

Yeah so not possible without a sign and trade. That’s what I thought. Thanks


Not quite...
You could trade on draft night all 4 of those pieces for 2022 FRP.
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Post#244 » by NewKnicks » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:17 am

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I don't necessarily disagree because those guys don't really move the needle. The short-term guys we picked up last year (Rose, Burks and Bullock) played their way into probably getting a nice new deal either with us or another team.

Is the play really just to sign scraps to 1 year deals until a superstar says they want to play in NY?


But we've tried this already. No superstar of any worth is going to want to play in NY if the Knicks don't have serious talent in place. The only superstars that have wanted to come to the Knicks low talent teams in the past 20+ years are guys from NY who come in with "fire and desire" and, because they can't perform miracles, get run out of town. That works great theoretically but not really realistically or the Knicks wouldn't still be in the situation they are in.


So we clearly found the problem. No superstar wants to come play for the Knicks if we don't have serious talent already in place.
The question then is how do we get this serious talent in place so that the superstars will want to come to the Knicks? I personally don't think we even have anyone on this roster that is capable of being a serious talent (apologies to RJ). Realistically, the only way is to tank and pray, but we'll never do it and most people don't want us to tank because no one wants to watch an unwatchable basketball team for 4-5 years


You just perfectly described the wonder and enjoyment of being a Knicks fan. We're boxed in, and have no way to get out. No one wants to come here without us being talented, but we can't find players to up the talent level significantly. We won't tank which would present us with the obvious path to add a lot of talent.

So where does that leave us? Start blowing 20M per year on the Oubres/Lonzos/Holmes, etc? Where will that ultimately get us? Is that enough talent to get us up to that respectable level?

OR

Do we go after guys like Wall/Kemba/Westbrook, etc? Where does that get us?

The only way we could have infused a lot of talent was the draft, and we blew lottery picks on Frank and Knox, when we could have drafted other future all-stars that were drafted behind us. So we suck at drafting too.

I don't have a f*cking clue on what the right move is at this point. We are so far behind in terms of talent compared to most teams (including Minnesota, for example). So how do we dig out of this hole?

People can all dream about a Dame/Kawhi/Lavine/Beal, etc. But how realistic is that? I don't even want Beal, but maybe we could get him if we gave away almost all of our assets. We're not getting Dame or Kawhi, and I highly doubt we'll get Lavine.

The only correct move would have been to build through the draft, but that's gone now too. We'll get to watch teams get potential franchise players 1-5 in this coming draft, but the FO thought it was a better idea to trade for 32 year DRose so we could go on a playoff 'run'.

I'm back to being a pissed off Knicks fan, when I start to try to realistically think about what's next for our team. It's depressing.
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Post#245 » by NewKnicks » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:26 am

TBri1974 wrote:What would you guys think of some version of this:
Porzingis and a re-signed Frank to Boston
Knox to Dallas
Walker, Pritchard, Nesmith and the Boston 1st to NY

Dallas gets free agency space to build around Luka
Boston exchanges Walker for a still productive Porzingis - who fits a need there
NY gets 2 young players and a 1st rounder for taking on 2 years of Walker's contract.

NY would need a follow up trade as we don't want all young players and draft picks, but it gives us the capital to move around (for instance we could then trade one of Boston's players, one of our first rounders and the #32 pick for Grant from Detroit, and still have 2 1st round picks and a starting PG

Walker/Rose/Luka (Argentina)
RJ/IQ/Nesmith/Bullock
Grant/RJ/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Grant
Mitch/Paelle/Gibson

And that is before considering the 2 1st rounders - at least 1 of which we'd likely use on the best PG available.


So we're only giving up Frank and Knox? :lol:
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Post#246 » by Stannis » Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:36 am

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Post#247 » by TBri1974 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:42 am

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TBri1974 wrote:What would you guys think of some version of this:
Porzingis and a re-signed Frank to Boston
Knox to Dallas
Walker, Pritchard, Nesmith and the Boston 1st to NY

Dallas gets free agency space to build around Luka
Boston exchanges Walker for a still productive Porzingis - who fits a need there
NY gets 2 young players and a 1st rounder for taking on 2 years of Walker's contract.

NY would need a follow up trade as we don't want all young players and draft picks, but it gives us the capital to move around (for instance we could then trade one of Boston's players, one of our first rounders and the #32 pick for Grant from Detroit, and still have 2 1st round picks and a starting PG

Walker/Rose/Luka (Argentina)
RJ/IQ/Nesmith/Bullock
Grant/RJ/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Grant
Mitch/Paelle/Gibson

And that is before considering the 2 1st rounders - at least 1 of which we'd likely use on the best PG available.


So we're only giving up Frank and Knox? :lol:


And cap space and taking on Walker's contract - which in my opinion is the worst of the bunch.
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Post#248 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:15 am

We have a bunch of draft picks and draft swaps we can make to get - whoever. We can also include Obi and IQ and/or RJ depending on the deal. Doesn't everything have to be "on the table"?
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Post#249 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:41 am

From such a long list to come away with Lonzo Ball as a favorite is unfathomable.
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Post#250 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:04 am

There's nothing there really:

Westbrook
Hield
RJ
Randle
Noel

Sexton
RJ
Bullock
Randle
Turner

Sexton
RJ
Grant
Randle
Noel

Well, to me it is already a hopeless situation. We should have tanked. I don't see us turn into a contender in any way. Instead we've already entered treadmill decade number 3. Maybe we should trade Randle for a young up and coming player and picks. Randle for Wiseman and the Minnesota pick is only one example. Randle for Jaylen Brown. But apart from that I see no way to go.

RJ for Dame would turn us into a bigtime contender. Portland isn't doing that though. If they do, there's a lot to get out of the situation. Nurkic, Powell, Melo, Covington... with this on mind, Portland may instead be interested in acquiring Randle. If the return was legit, maybe in a three team deal with many picks involved, they could have:

Dame
Powell
Covington
Randle
Nurkic

CJ to a third team that wants to take the leap (say GSW/NOP/Mem/Chi/Min), while we cash in on major picks and youth.
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Post#251 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:10 am

I'd also target Huerter.
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Post#252 » by Adelheid » Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:32 am

If a team is interested in Randle, you trade him without second guessing.
Bundle in Knox as well.
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Post#253 » by TBri1974 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:46 am

If Cleveland would do Sexton and Love for Knox, would you do it?

Sexton/Rose/Luka
RJ/IQ/Bullock
?/RJ/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Love
Mitch/Love/Paelle/GIbson

We'd still have the money to pay or trade for a SF and 3 draft picks... Love has 2 years left at 31/29
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Post#254 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:59 am

TBri1974 wrote:If Cleveland would do Sexton and Love for Knox, would you do it?

Sexton/Rose/Luka
RJ/IQ/Bullock
?/RJ/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Love
Mitch/Love/Paelle/GIbson

We'd still have the money to pay or trade for a SF and 3 draft picks... Love has 2 years left at 31/29


Damn. That's tough. I'd say probably not.
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Post#255 » by Adelheid » Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:09 am

Would be interesting if the Knicks could get Caruso or Nunn
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Post#256 » by Oscirus » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:44 pm

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Rasho Brezec wrote:I would take John Wall and two 1st rounders for cap relief and Knox or Obi.

we still use obi, they can have knox and only knox. Sign and trade frankie smokes if they so desire


Throwing in Knox or Frank in any trade is completely worthless. You know that, right? Would you want Houston to add one of their sh*tty bench players in the trade? Would that move the needle? There is no need to mention either one in a trade.

The point is we're doing them a favor by taking wall and his burdensome contract off their hands, why the hell would we then extend that favor by giving them a usable asset?
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Post#257 » by snadler » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:58 pm

Can people please stop with the woe is me, Knicks will suck forever, nobody is coming here agenda. It’s getting old and annoying. This isn’t the same Knicks anymore, start getting that through your head, that’s why becoming relevant this season was so important which they did. Rose and world wide unlike other regimes particularly Steve Mills the worst President in sports history isn’t running the show anymore. The crowd and msg during the playoffs put the league on notice. Now will they be title contenders next year, probably not..but they haven’t been in this position in a really long time and regardless of whom they get, I know for sure expectations for next year after this summer will be sky high
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Post#258 » by Oscirus » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:03 pm

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Oscirus wrote:What are you basing any of this off of? In what world is fox who just signed a contract last year even remotely available?
I have a hard time believing that thibs who just got fired partially due to kat would want him here.
Westbrook? If that happened that would mean that washington is rebuilding and in in that scenario the knicks would target beal not westbrook.
Butlers not even realistic speculation at this point.

List def needs a good edit


I didn't take 2 weeks to put it together. I did in 5 minutes. Take it easy. I took Fox off the list. Only way we get him is a trade for Randle.

And yeah, this list is speculating. That's the whole point of the list. Why don't you create your own damn list and do better?

If you dont put the time into researching your own topic, dont get mad at others when you get called out for it. I dont wish to do so which is why I didnt start the topic
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Post#259 » by Gravy » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:34 pm

snadler wrote:Can people please stop with the woe is me, Knicks will suck forever, nobody is coming here agenda. It’s getting old and annoying. This isn’t the same Knicks anymore, start getting that through your head, that’s why becoming relevant this season was so important which they did. Rose and world wide unlike other regimes particularly Steve Mills the worst President in sports history isn’t running the show anymore. The crowd and msg during the playoffs put the league on notice. Now will they be title contenders next year, probably not..but they haven’t been in this position in a really long time and regardless of whom they get, I know for sure expectations for next year after this summer will be sky high

The negative fans tend to believe no players ever gets better so unless we get a current superstar we are doomed.

Truth is players get better all the time, they dont all become stars but some do eg. Randle, Butler. They can go from losers that cant take their team to the playoffs to a top 3 player on a playoff team once they get with a better coach and teammates eg. Booker, Trae, Kyrie.
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Post#260 » by KnicksGadfly » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:42 pm

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TBri1974 wrote:What would you guys think of some version of this:
Porzingis and a re-signed Frank to Boston
Knox to Dallas
Walker, Pritchard, Nesmith and the Boston 1st to NY

Dallas gets free agency space to build around Luka
Boston exchanges Walker for a still productive Porzingis - who fits a need there
NY gets 2 young players and a 1st rounder for taking on 2 years of Walker's contract.

NY would need a follow up trade as we don't want all young players and draft picks, but it gives us the capital to move around (for instance we could then trade one of Boston's players, one of our first rounders and the #32 pick for Grant from Detroit, and still have 2 1st round picks and a starting PG

Walker/Rose/Luka (Argentina)
RJ/IQ/Nesmith/Bullock
Grant/RJ/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Grant
Mitch/Paelle/Gibson

And that is before considering the 2 1st rounders - at least 1 of which we'd likely use on the best PG available.


So we're only giving up Frank and Knox? :lol:


And a whole lot of cap space, which is valuable since there are two negative contracts floating around there.

Dallas makes out like bandits in this deal. They want out of KP’s deal bad. They need to feel some pain. Boston also gives up marginal pieces to get out of Kemba’s deal. They’re productive but they’re not who I would want to get Kemba on our cap. You gotta remember, snake Ainge has been secretly trying to dump Kemba for a long time, ever since they realized he was damaged goods. Also OKC would probably do a Horford for Kemba deal for a pick alone or something

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