Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

[jvsimonetti0514]

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smh, classic Knicks....no patience

There’s a massive gap in talent and impact between Dame and Beal. I don’t mind making moves for stars but Beal isn’t that guy and would be cashing in all our chips for another third option type.

Getting Dame likely means signing another star player. I love RJ but that is worth the trade off.

I have no issues with trading RJ for Dame. I just hope we make the move with another max cat wanting to join. Beal is the one I have the issue with trading RJ for. I just don't think he'll be worth the package we'd have to give up and is kinda an empty stats guy.

[blanko]

New York - 9th pick , Harrison Barnes
Sacramento- 19th pk, 21st pk, 58th pk, Kevin Knox

New York gets a small forward with 2 left on his contract who can space the floor , while jumping up to 9 to grab Mitchell for their PG

Sacramento sheds salary in Barnes and gets Knox as younger player who fits their time line… they get 2 later first rd picks to continue their rebuild

I dont think its good to the Kings. Barnes is a positive asset. Knox a negative one.

Its more about the salary dump

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[Esq-4]

There’s a massive gap in talent and impact between Dame and Beal. I don’t mind making moves for stars but Beal isn’t that guy and would be cashing in all our chips for another third option type.

Getting Dame likely means signing another star player. I love RJ but that is worth the trade off.

I have no issues with trading RJ for Dame. I just hope we make the move with another max cat wanting to join. Beal is the one I have the issue with trading RJ for. I just don't think he'll be worth the package we'd have to give up and is kinda an empty stats guy.

Here's the thing, just getting Dame, considering the likely cost, still does not make us a championship contender. Better, yes. Short term, and likely no ring. It's not Leonard to TOR.

But, if the other guy is also coming, whoever that is, that makes is a real contender in Dame's window, then do what it takes.

It's not just giving up RJ. It's giving up RJ for a real shot to win, versus giving up RJ just to be better for 3 or 4 years.

[KnixinSix]

Getting Dame likely means signing another star player. I love RJ but that is worth the trade off.

I have no issues with trading RJ for Dame. I just hope we make the move with another max cat wanting to join. Beal is the one I have the issue with trading RJ for. I just don't think he'll be worth the package we'd have to give up and is kinda an empty stats guy.

Here's the thing, just getting Dame, considering the likely cost, still does not make us a championship contender. Better, yes. Short term, and likely no ring. It's not Leonard to TOR.

But, if the other guy is also coming, whoever that is, that makes is a real contender in Dame's window, then do what it takes.

It's not just giving up RJ. It's giving up RJ for a real shot to win, versus giving up RJ just to be better for 3 or 4 years.

Well said Esquire. I agree. I don't think their intention is only Dame. Is Oubre a great defender because I wouldn't be happy if he was the biggest piece added after Dame either. But if its Kawhi or even emptying the draft cupboard further for SGA , I could handle that.

[Richard4444]

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smh, classic Knicks....no patience

There’s a massive gap in talent and impact between Dame and Beal. I don’t mind making moves for stars but Beal isn’t that guy and would be cashing in all our chips for another third option type.

Getting Dame likely means signing another star player. I love RJ but that is worth the trade off.

Getting Dame means we are done. Dame + Randle + Dead Cap (Noah + 10Holds) = 80M. It is only 32 M left in cap space. Besides, there are no stars FA and we would have used almost all assets in the trade.

Assuming the trade would be RJ + Obi + Knox + pick19 + 2022 Pick + 2023 Dallas pick

It's better to use the remaining cap space on cheap players

Lillard (43,5) + Rose (9M) + Randle (20M) + Noah Dead Cap (6,5) =79M
IQ (2,2M)+ Luca (3,3M)+ Mitch (1,8M) + Nelle (1,7M) + Rookie pick21 (2,5M) + Bullock (5,5M) = 17M
Total payroll (9 players) = 96 M+3 Holds = 99M
Cap space left =13M

Lillard (43.5) - Rose (9)
IQ (2,2M) - Luca (3,3M)
Wing (13M Oubre/Hart) - Bullock (Cap Hold 5,5M) - Rookie 21
Randle (20M) -
Mitch (2M)- Nelle(2) - Taj (min)

We can use the MLE (5M) to pay Noel or Burks.

[Marty McFly]

Beal isn't as good as dame so why is he being lumped into that convo. either the post doesn't now **** about basketball or the knicks leak is a dumb ass who doesn't know **** about basketball.

[digitaldropoff]

Would the Knicks be open to moving one of the Mavs picks for Jarrett Culver or Josh Okogie? The latter was a Thibs pick, and both guys, you could argue, are going to be better next season than any pick in the 20's. Not for sure, of course, but the likelihood is higher. That combined with Minnesota is furiously looking for a FRP it appears, maybe even built around the 32nd?

I only ask because unless there are much bigger deals in the works, it does kind of make sense for both teams given that Thibs is the HC now in NY.

[Richard4444]

Dame & Nurkic for Rj,Mitch,Knox, 2 2021 1sts, Dallas 2023 1st and 2 future 1st rd picks

Beal & bonga for IQ, Obi and 2 future 1sts and 2 pick swaps!!!!!!!

Dame/Drose
Beal/j.hart
Oubre/Burks
Randle/Carmelo
Nurkic/taj

Best team in the east and it isn’t even close!!!!!!!

Only Randle + Dame + Beal + Dead Cap (Noah + 10Cap Holds) = 114,5M (2,5M over the projected salary cap).

[TheGreenArrow]

Dame & Nurkic for Rj,Mitch,Knox, 2 2021 1sts, Dallas 2023 1st and 2 future 1st rd picks

Beal & bonga for IQ, Obi and 2 future 1sts and 2 pick swaps!!!!!!!

Dame/Drose
Beal/j.hart
Oubre/Burks
Randle/Carmelo
Nurkic/taj

Best team in the east and it isn’t even close!!!!!!!

Only Randle + Dame + Beal + Dead Cap (Noah + 10Cap Holds) = 114,5M (2,5M over the projected salary cap).

Give Drose the room exception and sign&trade bullock for oubre!!!!!!!

[Richard4444]

Dame & Nurkic for Rj,Mitch,Knox, 2 2021 1sts, Dallas 2023 1st and 2 future 1st rd picks

Beal & bonga for IQ, Obi and 2 future 1sts and 2 pick swaps!!!!!!!

Dame/Drose
Beal/j.hart
Oubre/Burks
Randle/Carmelo
Nurkic/taj

Best team in the east and it isn’t even close!!!!!!!

Only Randle + Dame + Beal + Dead Cap (Noah + 10Cap Holds) = 114,5M (2,5M over the projected salary cap).

Give Drose the room exception and sign&trade bullock for oubre!!!!!!!

We would not have Bullock anymore. We trade everybody for Lillard and Beal. And waive all Cap Holds to have the cap space to sign the Big 3. We would have only the Room Exception (5M) and Rose should not accept. Maybe Bullock, Noel or Burks accepts.

We would have to complete the roster with Second Rounders and Min Guys.

And the trades will only work if the cap space increases to 114,5M.

Lillard/Payton (min guy)/Hyland (32 pick)
Beal/Frank (min guy)/Pinson (min guy)
Dotson (min guy)/Ignas (min guy)
Randle/Melo (min guy)/King (min guy)
Noel/Taj/ Dedmon (min guy)

[TheGreenArrow]

Only Randle + Dame + Beal + Dead Cap (Noah + 10Cap Holds) = 114,5M (2,5M over the projected salary cap).

Give Drose the room exception and sign&trade bullock for oubre!!!!!!!

We dont have bullock anymore. We trade everybody for Lillard and Beal. And waive all Cap Holds to have the cap. We only have the Room Exception (5M) and Rose should not accept. Maybe Bullock, Noel or Burks accepts.

We would have to complete the roster with Second Rounders and Min Guys.

And the trades will only work if the cap space increases to 114,5M.

Brock aller is the best of the best when it comes to cap maneuvering!!!!!

I have no doubt he’d figure it out!!!!!!!!!

[blanko]

A team based on dame and randle wont get to the conference finals...

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[-YogiBiz-]

Hey what are everyone's thoughts on Otto Porter Jr.?

[3toheadmelo]

Hey what are everyone's thoughts on Otto Porter Jr.?

He is a pretty solid 3 and d guy when healthy. Problem is he can’t stay healthy

[3toheadmelo]

Knicks interested in trading for Rozier

[Richard4444]

Knicks interested in trading for Rozier

I think he is a strong name to be our reinforcement. I believe it's more probable we trade for him than we get Lonzo.

[spree2kawhi]

There’s a massive gap in talent and impact between Dame and Beal. I don’t mind making moves for stars but Beal isn’t that guy and would be cashing in all our chips for another third option type.

Getting Dame likely means signing another star player. I love RJ but that is worth the trade off.

I have no issues with trading RJ for Dame. I just hope we make the move with another max cat wanting to join. Beal is the one I have the issue with trading RJ for. I just don't think he'll be worth the package we'd have to give up and is kinda an empty stats guy.

Beal is a real baller. Be careful using the empty stats argument for real talent (see Booker). Ricky Davis was an empty stats guy. JR Rider too. Antoine Walker probably and Monta Ellis possibly. Beal is very skilled and sound.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Getting Dame likely means signing another star player. I love RJ but that is worth the trade off.

I have no issues with trading RJ for Dame. I just hope we make the move with another max cat wanting to join. Beal is the one I have the issue with trading RJ for. I just don't think he'll be worth the package we'd have to give up and is kinda an empty stats guy.

Beal is a real baller. Be careful using the empty stats argument for real talent (see Booker). Ricky Davis was an empty stats guy. JR Rider too. Antoine Walker probably and Monta Ellis possibly. Beal is very skilled and sound.

Maybe empty stats is a little harsh but he's played with way more talent than Booker has ever played with until this year. John Wall was real good before his injury and Westbrook is going to be a hall of famer and he's basically only been able to lead his teams to the 2nd round. Giving up the farm for someone like him just seems like a guarantee us treadmill status with no way to improve the team. Now if he came in free agency, I'd welcome him with open arms but all our good youth and picks should be used on someone else.

[mpharris36]

I have no issues with trading RJ for Dame. I just hope we make the move with another max cat wanting to join. Beal is the one I have the issue with trading RJ for. I just don't think he'll be worth the package we'd have to give up and is kinda an empty stats guy.

Beal is a real baller. Be careful using the empty stats argument for real talent (see Booker). Ricky Davis was an empty stats guy. JR Rider too. Antoine Walker probably and Monta Ellis possibly. Beal is very skilled and sound.

Maybe empty stats is a little harsh but he's played with way more talent than Booker has ever played with until this year. John Wall was real good before his injury and Westbrook is going to be a hall of famer and he's basically only been able to lead his teams to the 2nd round. Giving up the farm for someone like him just seems like a guarantee us treadmill status with no way to improve the team. Now if he came in free agency, I'd welcome him with open arms but all our good youth and picks should be used on someone else.

I was about to say tough to call Beal an empty stats type guy when you are so high on Jalen Green to the point you said on the mock the other night you would pick Green over Cade. Green in a good way is very projectable to Beal.

[spree2kawhi]

I have no issues with trading RJ for Dame. I just hope we make the move with another max cat wanting to join. Beal is the one I have the issue with trading RJ for. I just don't think he'll be worth the package we'd have to give up and is kinda an empty stats guy.

Beal is a real baller. Be careful using the empty stats argument for real talent (see Booker). Ricky Davis was an empty stats guy. JR Rider too. Antoine Walker probably and Monta Ellis possibly. Beal is very skilled and sound.

Maybe empty stats is a little harsh but he's played with way more talent than Booker has ever played with until this year. John Wall was real good before his injury and Westbrook is going to be a hall of famer and he's basically only been able to lead his teams to the 2nd round. Giving up the farm for someone like him just seems like a guarantee us treadmill status with no way to improve the team. Now if he came in free agency, I'd welcome him with open arms but all our good youth and picks should be used on someone else.

What I mean is that if you put him next to Giannis or Steph or Embiid, all of a sudden he looks like a legitimate nightmare.