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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#241 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:38 am

Jalen Rose: “Kuzma will average over 20 points a game”.

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I cannot see Kuzma not starting.

He averaged 20 field-goal attempts three and four years ago on a Lakers bottom feeder team. I think Kuzma is going to start for the Wizards at small forward. I will not be surprised if he has a career season.

How is that for a bold prediction make it go totally wrong?
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#242 » by doclinkin » Fri Aug 6, 2021 10:26 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
Depth chart/rotation?

Dimwittle, Holiday, Neto
Beal, Pope
Kispert, Deni
Rui, Kuzma, Bertans
Gafford, Bryant, Harrell


Ballhandler: Spencer. Aaron. Brad.
Scoring guard: Brad. Spencer. KCP. Neto.
Wing forward: Mix and match. Whichever tweener forward will hit 3's and defend. If no defense, then whomever hits 3's.
Strong forward: The other tweener forward. Bertans for 3. Somebody who should be rebounding better.
Low post Big: Gafford. Harrell. Bryant while he is getting his legs back, then he will climb the chart, maybe to start.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#243 » by Dat2U » Fri Aug 6, 2021 11:07 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Jalen Rose: “Kuzma will average over 20 points a game”.

Read on Twitter


Payitforward: If you, Spanky, and others are right about Kuzma I will be the first to admit I’m wrong. :nod:

I cannot see Kuzma not starting.

He averaged 20 field-goal attempts three and four years ago on a Lakers bottom feeder team. I think Kuzma is going to start for the Wizards at small forward. I will not be surprised if he has a career season.

How is that for a bold prediction make it go totally wrong?


Kuzma at SF? Harrell at PF lol. Sorry but I'll believe that when when I actually see it.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#244 » by Ruzious » Fri Aug 6, 2021 11:38 am

Dat2U wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Jalen Rose: “Kuzma will average over 20 points a game”.

Read on Twitter


Payitforward: If you, Spanky, and others are right about Kuzma I will be the first to admit I’m wrong. :nod:

I cannot see Kuzma not starting.

He averaged 20 field-goal attempts three and four years ago on a Lakers bottom feeder team. I think Kuzma is going to start for the Wizards at small forward. I will not be surprised if he has a career season.

How is that for a bold prediction make it go totally wrong?


Kuzma at SF? Harrell at PF lol. Sorry but I'll believe that when when I actually see it.

Like nate said the other day, there really isn't any such thing as a PF anymore. There's your center, and then there are 4 other players. Most players labelled as PF's get under 8 rebounds per 40 minutes. It used to be that PF's were wimps if they didn't get at least 10 boards per 36. There's a center, and the other positions are morphing into switchable parts. Someone like Harrell is going to find it increasingly difficult to play anything but center. But someone like Kuzma doesn't really have to fit a particular position.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#245 » by dckingsfan » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:45 pm

Ruzious wrote: There's your center, and then there are 4 other players. Most players labelled as PF's get under 8 rebounds per 40 minutes. It used to be that PF's were wimps if they didn't get at least 10 boards per 36. There's a center, and the other positions are morphing into switchable parts...

I have been disabused of the notion that PFs need to rebound at a high rate (although I think this year's championship team had such a PF, and if Davis hadn't been hurt and the Lakers advanced - it could have been both teams in the final (I know, I know, correlation without...) by both PIF and nate.

What I haven't been disabused of is that your PF needs to be a rim protector of some sort. Or one of your forwards anyway. Or that a PF needs to be able to switch onto Cs (or forwards in general). Or are we saying that all 5 players should now be switchable?

This is going to come off as nit picking. But I really would like to see the discussion - maybe in a different thread.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#246 » by Benjammin » Fri Aug 6, 2021 1:49 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Ruzious wrote: There's your center, and then there are 4 other players. Most players labelled as PF's get under 8 rebounds per 40 minutes. It used to be that PF's were wimps if they didn't get at least 10 boards per 36. There's a center, and the other positions are morphing into switchable parts...

I have been disabused of the notion that PFs need to rebound at a high rate (although I think this year's championship team had such a PF, and if Davis hadn't been hurt and the Lakers advanced - it could have been both teams in the final (I know, I know, correlation without...) by both PIF and nate.

What I haven't been disabused of is that your PF needs to be a rim protector of some sort. Or one of your forwards anyway. Or that a PF needs to be able to switch onto Cs (or forwards in general). Or are we saying that all 5 players should now be switchable?

This is going to come off as nit picking. But I really would like to see the discussion - maybe in a different thread.


Yeah, this would be a good separate thread. How should be positions be seen in today's NBA? What skills are necessary to play different positions, or do we really buy into "position less" basketball?
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#247 » by NatP4 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:06 pm

I actually think this is how they will start the season:

Dinwiddie Holiday
Beal Neto
KCP Avdija Kispert
Hachimura Bertans Kuzma
Gafford Harrell

Very little PT for Kispert. Probably going to see a ton of 2 PG lineups with Holiday and Neto. Hachimura will be his normal bad fit with the starting 5 due to his lack of off ball ability. By the end of the season I hope we get to here:

Dinwiddie Neto/Holiday
Beal KCP
Kispert Avdija
Bertans Hachimura
Gafford Harrell
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#248 » by dckingsfan » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:10 pm

NatP4 wrote:I actually think this is how they will start the season:

Dinwiddie Holiday
Beal Neto
KCP Avdija Kispert
Hachimura Bertans Kuzma
Gafford Harrell

Very little PT for Kispert. Probably going to see a ton of 2 PG lineups with Holiday and Neto. Hachimura will be his normal bad fit with the starting 5 due to his lack of off ball ability. By the end of the season I hope we get to here:

Dinwiddie Neto/Holiday
Beal KCP
Kispert Avdija
Bertans Hachimura
Gafford Harrell

It is going to be interesting to see what Wes' philosophy is - I don't think we have a large enough sample size to know? Don't get me wrong - I did my speculation as well :D
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#249 » by Frichuela » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:22 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
NatP4 wrote:I actually think this is how they will start the season:

Dinwiddie Holiday
Beal Neto
KCP Avdija Kispert
Hachimura Bertans Kuzma
Gafford Harrell

Very little PT for Kispert. Probably going to see a ton of 2 PG lineups with Holiday and Neto. Hachimura will be his normal bad fit with the starting 5 due to his lack of off ball ability. By the end of the season I hope we get to here:

Dinwiddie Neto/Holiday
Beal KCP
Kispert Avdija
Bertans Hachimura
Gafford Harrell

It is going to be interesting to see what Wes' philosophy is - I don't think we have a large enough sample size to know? Don't get me wrong - I did my speculation as well :D


Agreed on Kispert likely getting limited playing time due to the glut at the 3-4 position and the fact that KCP is likely to play the 3 too..

Where I disagree is on Kuzma: whatever we think of him as a player, I expect he'll get significant playing time..Hopefully the plan is to showcase him and Bertans and trade one of them at the deadline.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#250 » by Ruzious » Fri Aug 6, 2021 2:27 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Ruzious wrote: There's your center, and then there are 4 other players. Most players labelled as PF's get under 8 rebounds per 40 minutes. It used to be that PF's were wimps if they didn't get at least 10 boards per 36. There's a center, and the other positions are morphing into switchable parts...

I have been disabused of the notion that PFs need to rebound at a high rate (although I think this year's championship team had such a PF, and if Davis hadn't been hurt and the Lakers advanced - it could have been both teams in the final (I know, I know, correlation without...) by both PIF and nate.

What I haven't been disabused of is that your PF needs to be a rim protector of some sort. Or one of your forwards anyway. Or that a PF needs to be able to switch onto Cs (or forwards in general). Or are we saying that all 5 players should now be switchable?

This is going to come off as nit picking. But I really would like to see the discussion - maybe in a different thread.

That's a good point. It definitely helps to have a 2nd interior defender - especially when the center has to pick up guard penetration, and it opens up a lane for an offensive rebounder. We need someone other than the center to prevent that offensive rebound. That's when I'd wish we had a guy like Garuba.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#251 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Aug 6, 2021 6:20 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Jalen Rose: “Kuzma will average over 20 points a game”.

Read on Twitter


Payitforward: If you, Spanky, and others are right about Kuzma I will be the first to admit I’m wrong. :nod:

I cannot see Kuzma not starting.

He averaged 20 field-goal attempts three and four years ago on a Lakers bottom feeder team. I think Kuzma is going to start for the Wizards at small forward. I will not be surprised if he has a career season.

How is that for a bold prediction make it go totally wrong?


Kuzma at SF? Harrell at PF lol. Sorry but I'll believe that when when I actually see it.


I don’t know about Harrell.

Just playing devil’s advocate,

Dinwiddie
Beal
Kuzma
Hachimura
Harrell

I think Bryant at C has range and rebounds better. Gafford defends better.

There are a lot of possibilities.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#252 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Aug 6, 2021 6:37 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:
NatP4 wrote:I actually think this is how they will start the season:

Dinwiddie Holiday
Beal Neto
KCP Avdija Kispert
Hachimura Bertans Kuzma
Gafford Harrell

Very little PT for Kispert. Probably going to see a ton of 2 PG lineups with Holiday and Neto. Hachimura will be his normal bad fit with the starting 5 due to his lack of off ball ability. By the end of the season I hope we get to here:

Dinwiddie Neto/Holiday
Beal KCP
Kispert Avdija
Bertans Hachimura
Gafford Harrell

It is going to be interesting to see what Wes' philosophy is - I don't think we have a large enough sample size to know? Don't get me wrong - I did my speculation as well :D


Agreed on Kispert likely getting limited playing time due to the glut at the 3-4 position and the fact that KCP is likely to play the 3 too..

Where I disagree is on Kuzma: whatever we think of him as a player, I expect he'll get significant playing time..Hopefully the plan is to showcase him and Bertans and trade one of them at the deadline.


Kuzma has a championship ring and he has averaged over 20 points a game. Someone tell me how is Hachimura better than Kuzma?
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Post#253 » by Frichuela » Fri Aug 6, 2021 6:44 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Frichuela wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:It is going to be interesting to see what Wes' philosophy is - I don't think we have a large enough sample size to know? Don't get me wrong - I did my speculation as well :D


Agreed on Kispert likely getting limited playing time due to the glut at the 3-4 position and the fact that KCP is likely to play the 3 too..

Where I disagree is on Kuzma: whatever we think of him as a player, I expect he'll get significant playing time..Hopefully the plan is to showcase him and Bertans and trade one of them at the deadline.


Kuzma has a championship ring and he has averaged over 20 points a game. Someone tell me how is Hachimura better than Kuzma?


You have a point sir! It's not that clear cut. For the record, I am not as pessimistic as others re Kuzma. He has championship experience and his D has clearly improved since his rookie days (plus he shot 36% from 3 last season!).
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Post#254 » by Frichuela » Fri Aug 6, 2021 6:52 pm

After watching a fair amount of film on Dinwiddie's 2019-20 season, it's remarkable that the Nets made the playoffs with the following starting 5: Dinwiddie-Temple-Harris-Prince-Allen (Kyrie and Levert were injured a lot that season).

We could argue that not only we have much more depth than that Nets squad, but our starting five should be significantly better:

Dinwiddie= Dinwiddie (hopefully at min 80-90% of his old self)
Beal >>> Temple
KCP(or Kuzma or Bertans) = Harris
Rui > Prince
Allen > Gafford (but not by much)
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Post#255 » by Frichuela » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:00 pm

I also think the Dinwiddie-Gafford P&R is gonna be like clockwork (based on how well he played with both Allen and Jordan at the Nets).
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Post#256 » by smoothSeph » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:20 pm

Frichuela wrote:I also think the Dinwiddie-Gafford P&R is gonna be like clockwork (based on how well he played with both Allen and Jordan at the Nets).

Excited for that as well. Just found this video on Youtube.

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Dinwiddie is a real threat getting to the basket, Gafford should eat all game.
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Post#257 » by nate33 » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:25 pm

Frichuela wrote:After watching a fair amount of film on Dinwiddie's 2019-20 season, it's remarkable that the Nets made the playoffs with the following starting 5: Dinwiddie-Temple-Harris-Prince-Allen (Kyrie and Levert were injured a lot that season).

We could argue that not only we have much more depth than that Nets squad, but our starting five should be significantly better:

Dinwiddie= Dinwiddie (hopefully at min 80-90% of his old self)
Beal >>> Temple
KCP(or Kuzma or Bertans) = Harris
Rui > Prince
Allen > Gafford (but not by much)


Our depth is better too.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#258 » by dckingsfan » Fri Aug 6, 2021 7:29 pm

Frichuela wrote:Allen > Gafford (but not by much)

I am calling it - full on fanatic

Gafford > Allen this coming year compared to that year.
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Post#259 » by TGW » Fri Aug 6, 2021 8:24 pm

Assuming Dinwiddie is healthy and 100% in shape is a stretch. Don’t think he’s ever going to reach 2019-2020 level again.
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Re: Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie 

Post#260 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Aug 6, 2021 8:32 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Frichuela wrote:Allen > Gafford (but not by much)

I am calling it - full on fanatic

Gafford > Allen this coming year compared to that year.
Allen just signed a huge contract. He makes 20 million a year now.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946293-jarrett-allen-re-signs-with-cavaliers-on-5-year-100m-contract-in-free-agency

Gafford's is the best contract in the league (outside of Zion or LaMelo or a similar phenom on a rookie deal).
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