Trade Ideas

[JonFromVA]

Love, Markannen and Sexton and a first for Hield and Barnes and Tristan
Then send Rubio and Windier or a first to Pacers for Levert

Allen, Mobley, Tristan, Barnes, Hield, Levert, Okoro, Garland, Cedi

Why wouldn't the Kings or Pacers do it?

Might even be stronger defensively. Definitely add scoring punch.
Got lots of needed wing players and bigs who can switch.

Only thing left to do is for Altman to pay my finders fee.

That big of a trade should ideally wait for the off- season so the new players can be properly integrated, but I like the big thinking and don't put something like that past Altman who has identified his core 3.

[johnnyballgame]

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Love, Markannen and Sexton and a first for Hield and Barnes and Tristan
Then send Rubio and Windier or a first to Pacers for Levert

Allen, Mobley, Tristan, Barnes, Hield, Levert, Okoro, Garland, Cedi

Why wouldn't the Kings or Pacers do it?

Might even be stronger defensively. Definitely add scoring punch.
Got lots of needed wing players and bigs who can switch.

Only thing left to do is for Altman to pay my finders fee.

1) Sacramento never goes for that. They have less than no use for Sexton because of Fox, Haliburton and Mitchell. If they wanted Sexton, they’d keep Hield at his relatively affordable contract and positional flexibility.

You have them taking on a ton of extra money without any real compensation.

2) Indiana takes it and runs.

3) Cavs will be deep into the tax here, not have a tradable pick until 2026. I’m not a fan.


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1) They are blowing things up for some reason. Its an over pay on our part. They can move Sexton or any of the guys you mentioned to another team. Their motivation is rebuilding. They add two young players, picks and Love's contract will net them more picks next year from some team looking to unload big salary. They shed Barnes big contract. They apparently aren't keeping Hield and Tristan is expiring. We can change this with Love, Rubio and picks for Barnes, Hield. Or it would be easy for a third team that wants to keep Sexton to get involved. If Altman offered it, it would be their best offer.

2) grear. But Levert by himself isn't enough

3) Cavs are heading for the luxury tax no matter what. Lots of good young players looking to get paid soon. Picks are going to be late round unlike the past. If we have the rotation in this scenario the player selected gets no run in it. Cavs don't need to develop more young players every year. Every other year is fine, we have our core group now. We need to add some decent wings now if we want to compete deep in the playoffs. I'm sure Gilbert's ready for that and won't cry about the tax if we are.

The way I see it, the time is always now, but it really is now.
Rubio has no value if we can't resign him. Time to move him is now.
Love won't stay healthy forever. He's not resigning in Cleveland. For years we couldn't give him away. His deal will have value next year but we can't take on bad salary and be a contender. Time to move on is noe.
Markanen, Sexton. Aren't real fits in our roster. Yes its working, but more bevcause of Allen, Mobley, Garland and others. We need to give them more help for then to grow more. Time to move on is now.

[johnnyballgame]

Love, Markannen and Sexton and a first for Hield and Barnes and Tristan
Then send Rubio and Windier or a first to Pacers for Levert

Allen, Mobley, Tristan, Barnes, Hield, Levert, Okoro, Garland, Cedi

Why wouldn't the Kings or Pacers do it?

Might even be stronger defensively. Definitely add scoring punch.
Got lots of needed wing players and bigs who can switch.

Only thing left to do is for Altman to pay my finders fee.

That big of a trade should ideally wait for the off- season so the new players can be properly integrated, but I like the big thinking and don't put something like that past Altman who has identified his core 3.

Time to strike is now. Nets didn't wait to add James Harden or us the fro.
Its great the team is playing well and chemistry is great. But can't pass up opportunities to get better.
Time waits for no man.

[mcfly1204]

Yes, Cleveland really needs to cut the line to ensure they can acquire the likes of Buddy Hield and Caris Levert...

[toooskies]

I'd rather do Rubio + picks for Barnes than trade rotation players to also add Hield.

[JonFromVA]

Love, Markannen and Sexton and a first for Hield and Barnes and Tristan
Then send Rubio and Windier or a first to Pacers for Levert

Allen, Mobley, Tristan, Barnes, Hield, Levert, Okoro, Garland, Cedi

Why wouldn't the Kings or Pacers do it?

Might even be stronger defensively. Definitely add scoring punch.
Got lots of needed wing players and bigs who can switch.

Only thing left to do is for Altman to pay my finders fee.

That big of a trade should ideally wait for the off- season so the new players can be properly integrated, but I like the big thinking and don't put something like that past Altman who has identified his core 3.

Time to strike is now. Nets didn't wait to add James Harden or us the fro.
Its great the team is playing well and chemistry is great. But can't pass up opportunities to get better.
Time waits for no man.

All depends what opportunities will be there later, and if the players we get now have more or less value then.

The new guys need to be the right fit chemistry wise too and when trading with bad teams you have to be careful the players you are acquiring weren't part of the problem and/or won't be a problem for some reason.

[SaiCLE]

Thank GOD none of you are the GM. Sheesh lol

[jbk1234]

Experience is a factor that's relative to the teams and coaches we have to face. LeBron ruled the East for 4 straight years because not one team in the East was built to stop him.

The Cavs time to start thinking about how to matchup and beat playoff teams is now.

You have to know what you have before you know what you need. I'm seeing growth on a weekly basis.

Moreover, I have us presently a full tier below a healthy Nets or Bucks team. I don't see a realistic trade that changes that. The good news for the Cavs is that some of their key players are nearing the end of their prime as to where our key guys haven't even begun theirs.

When was the last time health wasn't a factor in determining the champ?

As for tiers, playoffs are the crucible that determine those and they sway on matchups and roster flaws. If we patch ours up, at least we get an honest look.

The Pistons thought they were tiers above us when we beat them to make the finals, but simply failed to grasp what Ben Wallace meant to their ability to slow down LeBron. The Spurs swept us, but each game was close. What if Hughes' foot didn't fall apart? There's a reason Tony Parker won FMVP ...

They also had a key defender ejected for clotheslining AV in the first half of a pivotal game 5. But yes, they were a year closer to the end of their window then they were the year before when they sent us home.

[Revenged25]

Getting bounced isn’t necessarily a bad thing; blowing your wad on Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones, and Larry Hughes is…

Letting Danny Green walk to add Manny Harris because the Cavs need a playmaker, Smdh.


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Danny Green was allowed to walk because he wasn't developing. Heck if Pop cut him once because he didn't want to improve in the ways he needed it. It wasn't until after Pop cut him that he finally reflected and bought into the SAS way of things and became the player he did.

[JonFromVA]

Yeah, it took Danny Green awhile to get focused on trying to win a spot in the NBA as it does many other players (Dasagna Diop comes to mind); but it is a two-way street where the coaching staff and front office has some responsibility to keep bench guys involved and on track rather than deciding collecting a bunch of money and being a cheerleader for LeBron is living the life.

JBB doesn't do a very good job at spreading the minutes around, but his bench guys have been ready to step-in when rotation players go down.

Ben at RCF did a nice job here encapsulating the trade deadline conundrum that we've been spinning around in circles over:

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[jbk1234]

Yeah, it took Danny Green awhile to get focused on trying to win a spot in the NBA as it does many other players (Dasagna Diop comes to mind); but it is a two-way street where the coaching staff and front office has some responsibility to keep bench guys involved and on track rather than deciding collecting a bunch of money and being a cheerleader for LeBron is living the life.

JBB doesn't do a very good job at spreading the minutes around, but his bench guys have been ready to step-in when rotation players go down.

Ben at RCF did a nice job here encapsulating the trade deadline conundrum that we've been spinning around in circles over:

Read on Twitter

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For a number of reason, I hope they at least wait until the deadline. The prospect of bringing back guys like E. Gordon, CJ McCollum, LeVert (yuck), etc. and their corresponding salaries before next summer will result in asking prices getting heavily discounted. None of the teams that hold those contracts want them on their books after the deadline.

[JonFromVA]

You have to know what you have before you know what you need. I'm seeing growth on a weekly basis.

Moreover, I have us presently a full tier below a healthy Nets or Bucks team. I don't see a realistic trade that changes that. The good news for the Cavs is that some of their key players are nearing the end of their prime as to where our key guys haven't even begun theirs.

When was the last time health wasn't a factor in determining the champ?

As for tiers, playoffs are the crucible that determine those and they sway on matchups and roster flaws. If we patch ours up, at least we get an honest look.

The Pistons thought they were tiers above us when we beat them to make the finals, but simply failed to grasp what Ben Wallace meant to their ability to slow down LeBron. The Spurs swept us, but each game was close. What if Hughes' foot didn't fall apart? There's a reason Tony Parker won FMVP ...

They also had a key defender ejected for clotheslining AV in the first half of a pivotal game 5. But yes, they were a year closer to the end of their window then they were the year before when they sent us home.

My point is just stuff happens every year, and my hope is that we minimally fill some holes at the deadline or the buyout, so, if we lose it's because as you expect (we're not ready) .vs. we had a weakness outside our core that our opponent was able to exploit.

[JonFromVA]

Yeah, it took Danny Green awhile to get focused on trying to win a spot in the NBA as it does many other players (Dasagna Diop comes to mind); but it is a two-way street where the coaching staff and front office has some responsibility to keep bench guys involved and on track rather than deciding collecting a bunch of money and being a cheerleader for LeBron is living the life.

JBB doesn't do a very good job at spreading the minutes around, but his bench guys have been ready to step-in when rotation players go down.

Ben at RCF did a nice job here encapsulating the trade deadline conundrum that we've been spinning around in circles over:

Read on Twitter

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For a number of reason, I hope they at least wait until the deadline. The prospect of bringing back guys like E. Gordon, CJ McCollum, LeVert (yuck), etc. and their corresponding salaries before next summer will result in asking prices getting heavily discounted. None of the teams that hold those contracts want them on their books after the deadline.

Sure, we won't know who's really adamant about their asking price until the clock is ticking down and the buyers start to drop out and pursue other deals.

At least these guys are all back and playing, so we'll have a better idea who can help us in a couple/few weeks and what we really need.

All considering, the Cavs are +13.7 pp100 with Okoro in the starting lineup and +13.8 with Stevens, and +42.9 with Rubio .

The Bulls would had been a nice test if they were at full strength, but our schedule is pretty soft except a game on the road .vs. the Bucks.

So, I'm not personally looking to turnover our team at the deadline; but would prefer to improve our rotational depth and try to address potential matchup issues we may face in a playoff series.

[jbk1234]

I'd rather do Rubio + picks for Barnes than trade rotation players to also add Hield.

I could live with that, but I just don't see the Kings moving Barnes until the Simmons situation resolves itself. They're all in on Simmons until that option is no longer available.

[LivingLegend]

Yes, Cleveland really needs to cut the line to ensure they can acquire the likes of Buddy Hield and Caris Levert...

I just hope they dont go 'all in' on 1 guy and trade away every asset they have thinking they are 1 player away only for that to come back and bite us in the *** in 2 years.

[KuruptedCav]

Yes, Cleveland really needs to cut the line to ensure they can acquire the likes of Buddy Hield and Caris Levert...

I just hope they dont go 'all in' on 1 guy and trade away every asset they have thinking they are 1 player away only for that to come back and bite us in the *** in 2 years.

I’d rather they do that than the Barnes/Hield scenario above.

After Jiri Welsch, Drew Gooden, Damon Jones, Larry Hughes, Donyell Marshall, Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison, and Shaquille O’Neal; I’d rather not have a pocket full of quarters and dimes than a dollar bill when walking up to the lottery machine.

Either add someone that doesn’t disrupt and has a marginal price tag to fill a hole, or go all in on another core player. I hate the in-between because it starts locking your flexibility and feels like death by a thousand cuts.


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[johnnyballgame]

Yes, Cleveland really needs to cut the line to ensure they can acquire the likes of Buddy Hield and Caris Levert...

Yeah, Goodwin looked fantastic tonight. And Cedi and see the to rest of my the bench sans Love was great. We should stand pat because we've over achieved already.

Sitting still is not trying

[johnnyballgame]

What superstar can we get without giving up any assets?

Just curious..

[Revenged25]

What superstar can we get without giving up any assets?

Just curious..

None. But what superstar is actually available for trade that the Cavs would be interested in? If the Cavs are trading for a superstar, a legit superstar, then that opens up the availability of a lot of players, but none of the players available are really worth the Cavs giving up any decent assets as they aren't going to change the Cavs likely outcome this season.

[mcfly1204]

What superstar can we get without giving up any assets?

Just curious..

None. But what superstar is actually available for trade that the Cavs would be interested in? If the Cavs are trading for a superstar, a legit superstar, then that opens up the availability of a lot of players, but none of the players available are really worth the Cavs giving up any decent assets as they aren't going to change the Cavs likely outcome this season.

I don't see any combination of Sexton, Rubio, Love, Markannen, or our picks returning a super star, but I also don't see the point in blowing assets on questionable players. If there is a good deal to be had, sure, but I am not going out of my way to trade for chuckers like LeVert or Hield.