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Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sat Jul 8, 2023 5:06 pm
by slick_watts
here's mine: basketball is fine.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sat Jul 8, 2023 5:30 pm
by Roger Murdock
WarriorGM wrote:
Roger Murdock wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Curry at his peak was better than LeBron, but was clearly diminished in the 2016 Finals, and then stripped of his redemption arc (which LeBron got full recognition for following the 2011 Finals) because of KD's arrival.


So you are saying 2015 Curry is better than LeBron ever but by 2016 it was over?

I’m not sure I’d rank 2015 Curry as ahead of any top 12 Bron seasons


Would you place 12 Bron seasons ahead of Bird's or Magic's best? Curry's 2015 can match Bird's 1986 or Magic's 1987.


I'm saying he has a weird take. 2016 Curry was *significantly* better than 2015 Curry. Hell he almost won MIP.

Theres no chance whatsoever Curry in 2015 was close to LeBron. I'd have 2015 Curry as Stephs like 6th best season. Have I ranked all of Bird or Magics seasons in my head? No. But I dont think 2015 Steph was a particularly all time great season, and I'm someone who views Steph as a top 10 player and the second best player post 2000.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sat Jul 8, 2023 5:59 pm
by best of luck
95 Magic beat the Bulls being a 57 win team, with Shaq missing 3 games, H Grant missing 8.

96 Magic, Shaq missed 28 games, H Grant missed 19 they finished 60-22, Penny picking up the load with the team gaining experience.

3rd best record in the league behind the Sonics and record setting Bulls.

96 Magic vs Bulls should have been epic.

If the Magic didn’t have to go with John Konak in a close game 2 loss instead of a healthy H Grant before losing another starter and key back ups as the series went on I felt the series could of gone either way.

Magic vs Sonics final would also of been a great pairing of guards and bigs squaring off with 3 point shooting.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sat Jul 8, 2023 6:26 pm
by SK21209
The Lakers/Spurs rivalry from 1999 to 2010 is as important to NBA history as Lakers/Celtics in the 80s.

The Lakers won 5 titles and the Spurs won 4 from 1999 to 2010. The Lakers won 5 titles in the 80s while the Celtics won 3. Magic and Bird were the faces of the league in the 80s and laid the groundwork for Jordan to take over the league, Kobe/Shaq/Duncan were the faces of the post-Jordan era and did the same for LeBron. The Lakers and Celtics faced each other 3 times in the Finals in the 80s, the Lakers and Spurs faced each other 6 times in the playoffs from 1999 to 2010. Of those 6 matchups, the team who won went on to win the title 4 times.

Losing to the Spurs in 1999 prompted the Lakers to hire Phil and kickstart their dynasty. The Spurs came back to end that dynasty in 2003. Coming back to beat the Spurs in 2004 is really the last good moment of the Shaq/Kobe era. The Spurs become the new dynasty after Shaq/Kobe, but the Lakers end their run in the 2008 WCF and go to three straight Finals.

It’s acknowledged as a rivalry, but still very underrated.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 1:53 am
by WarriorGM
Roger Murdock wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
Roger Murdock wrote:
So you are saying 2015 Curry is better than LeBron ever but by 2016 it was over?

I’m not sure I’d rank 2015 Curry as ahead of any top 12 Bron seasons


Would you place 12 Bron seasons ahead of Bird's or Magic's best? Curry's 2015 can match Bird's 1986 or Magic's 1987.


I'm saying he has a weird take. 2016 Curry was *significantly* better than 2015 Curry. Hell he almost won MIP.

Theres no chance whatsoever Curry in 2015 was close to LeBron. I'd have 2015 Curry as Stephs like 6th best season. Have I ranked all of Bird or Magics seasons in my head? No. But I dont think 2015 Steph was a particularly all time great season, and I'm someone who views Steph as a top 10 player and the second best player post 2000.


Curry's game I think is deceptive and that's why some people have had difficulty evaluating him. If you place Curry's 2015 playoffs numbers next to Bird's in 1984 and 1986 and Magic's in 1987 I think you'll come to the conclusion they are all pretty similar. 2015 of course being a year Curry was also MVP and led his team to 67 wins. That's what makes Curry's 2016 so shocking. Curry had a year where he could reasonably have been a candidate for most improved player after producing a year that was on par with Bird's or Magic's best. I don't think people have really been able to wrap their heads around it even now. Only argument against really is for era difference and need for adjustment but remember we're talking about comparing 2015 not 2023 to the 1980s.

Curry a weak top 10 candidate? No no no. Curry is a strong top 10 with a good shot at top 5. That was obvious after 2016 even after the disappointing loss in the finals.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 2:38 am
by Ryoga Hibiki
salmonleg wrote:Pineapple does, in fact, belong on pizza.

it depends on how you use it
straigjt from the can pineapple on a margherita wirh some cheap ham is trash
roasted fresh pineapple with some blue cheese and no tomato could be interesting

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 2:43 am
by WarriorGM
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
salmonleg wrote:Pineapple does, in fact, belong on pizza.

it depends on how you use it
straigjt from the can pineapple on a margherita wirh some cheap ham is trash
roasted fresh pineapple with some blue cheese and no tomato could be interesting


Is putting pineapples on pizza cultural appropriation or is looking down on pineapples on pizza a sign of ethnic bigotry because of the discrimination towards tropical fruits?

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 3:07 am
by GopherIt!
biggestballer wrote:Burger King fries are better than McDonald's. And the whopper dominates big macs. Not even close. Come at me, bro.


I agree with this.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 6:57 am
by Ryoga Hibiki
WarriorGM wrote:
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
salmonleg wrote:Pineapple does, in fact, belong on pizza.

it depends on how you use it
straigjt from the can pineapple on a margherita wirh some cheap ham is trash
roasted fresh pineapple with some blue cheese and no tomato could be interesting


Is putting pineapples on pizza cultural appropriation or is looking down on pineapples on pizza a sign of ethnic bigotry because of the discrimination towards tropical fruits?

it is cultural appropriation but I consider all this purely US based discussion on cultural appropriation a whole lot of BS, so I am good with it.
eat what you want, play with it as you like.
it might taste bad in some cases, though

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 7:28 am
by FreeBird23
Tacko Fall should be in the NBA.

He has improved a lot

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 7:38 am
by Darthlukey
cam24thomas wrote:Adam Silver is the weakest man, woman or child we've ever seen.

I cant imagine that's an unpopular opinion. It may or may not be true, but it's common

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 7:45 am
by GSWFan1994
salmonleg wrote:Pineapple does, in fact, belong on pizza.


Here in Brazil people put strawberries, chocolate, coconut, tuna, onions, strogonoff and LOTS of other things on pizza... pineapple is the least of my worries :lol:

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 7:54 am
by OxAndFox
These are 2 of mine.
1 - OKC will have HCA in the West POs this season.

2 - Lakers should trade AD for multiple good players to give the Lakers half a chance.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 9:33 am
by Asianiac_24
Every decade or so, a GOAT contender shows. This decade that player is Jokic. Not Giannis, not Luka

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 9:54 am
by LakersLegacy
The '99 championship is the weakest and the worst basketball I've ever seen. It was terrible!!

No training camp. 4 games in 5 nights. Kind of a joke of a season. Strategy? In shape. They played 60% of the games over a much shorter amount of time. And players didn't really care about playing. All-star level defense at times.

The worst basketball product of all-time in the modern era. And Jordan-less! Not one of Jordan's rivals even made a bid. It was the young gun season. Spreewell and the Knicks against young Duncan Spurs.

It was ugly oooogly basketball. And it was especially ugly after hearing about rich people complaining about other rich people for month after month after month after month... To me that championship is at best worth the % of games played 60% of a championship

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 9:57 am
by LakersLegacy
FreeBird23 wrote:Tacko Fall should be in the NBA.

He has improved a lot

And Thabeet and Bol Bol. We need giant bodies to defend Joker with a tactic where he is the smaller one. Like Yao on Shaq. The tactic sometimes works and the West contenders should jump on it.

They have 1 job, stop Joker in the play-offs. And the other future job is to try to stop Joker + yama the following season

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 10:01 am
by LakersLegacy
chokingmav wrote:The NBA should do away with the 3pt shot.
... for a silly remix tournament at a Casino near you where a team wins the (insert sponsors name) Trophy of Excellence halftime performance by Britany Spears

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 10:39 am
by LakersLegacy
Chanel Bomber wrote:
Showdown wrote:Warriors are trashy organisation. Here are some examples of them being trash:

1) They are forcing their players to play when they are injured as we saw when Durants was injured. People forgot that but before the game where he renewed his injury Ker , Warriors stars and Myers were publicly trashing him for not playing even though he was injured and they newer apologized and were never held accountable by media for those statements.
2) Their reactions in both cases when Draymond had argument publicly with Durent during a game and when he assaulted Pool were terrible. They knew that in both situations Draymond is doing it because he want to force them out so he can get extension contract and they rewarded him in both cases for that. Myers disrespected Durant multiple times and tried to minimize his impact in winning titles even though they knew that they can't beat healthy Lebron team without him. Situation with Poole was even worse because they first tried to hide it and didn't intend to do anything to fine Draymond. Then forced him to play with Draymond whole year and then traded him while blaming him for being attacked by Draymond. This case has a big social implications because popular franchise was victim blaming Poole which can have terrible effects on society.
3) They use Draymond to injure best players on opposing teams during PO and they almost admitted that they are doing it when they were crying how they won't allow other teams to target Curry or when they were accusing other teams to do that which was classical case of projecting things that you do into others actions.
4) They lied about Paytons medical situation because they thought they can bully Blazers into giving them more assets after trade but when they realized that that's impossible because of the rules they admitted that they were lying.
5) Curry and Klay attacked Iguodala because they thought he was possessed because their coach made them believe that. Anyone who say that Jackson was blackballed is basically saying that Iguodala had gennies/demons inside him and several of the Warriors players have those kind of statements in podcasts in recent years. If Warriors weren't trashy organization that kind of situation would never occured.
6) They traded Iguodala to Memphis and then he sit out until Grizzlies buy him out and then he signed with Warriors.
7) Even though only Durant get blame for forming supeteam they are the ones that went to beg him to come to play with them. They also got Iguodala for much lesser money than he could get too and they were doing it behind the backs of the team he played that year. They tried to manipulate rules in forming their team again and that's the reason why CBA cap rules are changed.

Since stars are also important when it comes to franchise culture let's see who their stars are:

1) Curry is religious zealot who has a lot of controversial opinions about social issues which is why he never comment social issues in public. He is handled by handlers during his pro career so he always give PR statements but when he retire he will want to stay in the media so will give much more opinions about things so people will have a chance to see that part of his personality which is already visible to those who look closely. He is also always obnoxious when his team is winning but quiet when they are losing or have bad teams which was clear when he faked his injury so he can preserve his image because he couldn't lead bad team. He is biggest reason why Warriors allow Draymond Green to behave way he behave because he is like Curry's personal bodygard he defend him on court and he attacks anyone who Curry hate off the court while staying innocent so he can preserve his reputation of a good guy, family friendly player loved by kids and casuals. One of the things that he often do is use media to trash his opponents like he did with Chris Paul when his people in media put story how he didn't allowed him to train before the games in the previous playoff runs but media never reported how Curry and his teammates were saying "**** Chris Paul" after they won. First time media reported about this is when Chris Paul got traded to GSW.
2) Draymond is both bully that attacks weaker because he attacked Pool but was afraid to confront Tristan Thompson when he attacked him in a club full of NBA players after NBA Awards ceremony and a grifter because he attacked both Durant and Pool because he knew that he can't get max contract extensions if they were there. He is also a dirty player who always injured best players on the opposite team during PO.
3) Klay Thompson and Kerr are also winners that humiliate other when they are winning and sore losers when they are losing and they were either supporting things that I mentioned or were directly involved in them as the bad guys.

Damn


Hey Kevin! Good luck in Pheonix. Try to win with a team that hasn't previously already won a championship 8-) :lol:

Wow so much effort into a fun off-season post

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 10:55 am
by LakersLegacy
MrGoat wrote:David Stern is massively overrated around here and was a worse commissioner than Silver. Ref corruption was at an all time high under him and he was Donald Sterling's b*tch

Russell Westbrook deserved the MVP over Kawhi

Jamal Murray is the most underrated player in the league right now, the difference between his regular season numbers and his playoff numbers is insane


Towards the end he said something along the lines of they can't get rid of me, I know where the bodies (scandals) are buried in front of Derrick Rose. He was absolutely overrated. Many can negotiate 2 major deals with ABC/ESPN + TNT every 7 to 10 years. It seemed MLB wanted to bust cheaters and Stern wanted to protect them at times. There is no chance that steroids were just a baseball/biking/football/high jump/running issue and it didn't get into basketball. Especially when the rules use to say after the 3rd test no more tests ever. Some players got their final test of the year before Christmas. After the 3rd test could use whatever steroids they wanted as they would not be tested again until next season. And every could do that before the play-offs. Some did steroids.

Re: Unpopular opinions

Posted: Sun Jul 9, 2023 1:53 pm
by Hoop Hunter
NBA refereeing is the best it's ever been. Silver has helped tremendously with that.