The Dame Trade Thread Part III

[Snotbubbles]

I don’t like Maxey.

The last thing POR needs is another tiny, no defense sg about to get paid.

That said, other teams will place some value on that.

Let some other team pay CJ 2.0.

While I agree with your sentiment. Maxey is definitely far more inline with Donovan Mitchell than he is CJ.

Donovan is way more athletic, powerful… he’ll dunk on you in a crowd. Have you seen Maxey dunk? CJ is a much better comparison.

Mitchell is half the shooter Maxey is.

[Dzon Dilindzer]

get tyrese maxey and call it a day

scoot, sharpe & maxey would be so fun/exciting to watch for many, many years

[Mak]

While I agree with your sentiment. Maxey is definitely far more inline with Donovan Mitchell than he is CJ.

Donovan is way more athletic, powerful… he’ll dunk on you in a crowd. Have you seen Maxey dunk? CJ is a much better comparison.

Mitchell is half the shooter Maxey is.

Yeah, they are different players, hence the CJ comparison.

[Tha Cynic]

The delusion on this board is truely incredible.
Poeple actually think it's more likely Dame is going to Toronto than Miami.

Ratpors don't want to take that risk, trading assets to not even be a favorite to come out of the East.
Portland doesn't want to take that risk either, trading for OG who can just walk.

Miami's package makes much more sense, but yeah lets wishcast a trade to Toronto no smart GM would want to make.

Miami has pretty bad assets. Even Gradey Dick and picks is better than Herro. The only reason Toronto is even in the running is because their third or 4th best offer would be better than what Miami is willing to give up.

Yeah, an unproven player who never played a single game in the NBA and might not even end up playing minutes is better than a 20/5/5 player on a winning team. The delusion is truly incredible.

Clearly that 20/5/5 isn't something the Blazers have looked at and said "Wow!". He's got poor value because he's a mediocre player on a big contract.

[Snotbubbles]

Doesn't Maxey create same issues for Portland Herro does? And what makes Maxey so much better than Herro? He's one year younger and at this year put up similar numbers to Herro two seasons ago when Herro was 22.

76ers haven't been in one NBA Finals in the last four years, much less two. They haven't even made it past the second round. Are Embiid and Harden really that much worse than Bam and Jimmy? If so, where's Bam's MVP award?

Embiid's hasn't been healthy for a playoff run in like forever, or are we just discounting that?

[JustBuzzin]

Does Toronto even know if Dame would suit up?

I know he's a big family guy. Im not sure he would be comfortable moving his family into another country.

If Im Toronto I would make sure he's at least okay with this idea. Kawhi was the same way and he left as soon as he got a chance.

Dame might request another trade later in the season.

Read on Twitter

Too bad Dame is signed for 3 more years. What he wants doesn't matter.

It would be in Dame's best interest to play as I'm sure Masai would make moves necessary to build a contender and maybe Dame's best chance to win a championship before he retires.

It actually does matter.

Toronto should remember when VC basically quit on them without actually quitting.

[mtcan]

Doesn't Maxey create same issues for Portland Herro does? And what makes Maxey so much better than Herro? He's one year younger and at this year put up similar numbers to Herro two seasons ago when Herro was 22.

76ers haven't been in one NBA Finals in the last four years, much less two. They haven't even made it past the second round. Are Embiid and Harden really that much worse than Bam and Jimmy? If so, where's Bam's MVP award?

Embiid's hasn't been healthy for a playoff run in like forever, or are we just discounting that?

That is just Joel being Joel. The way he throws himself to the ground to draw fouls...no one falls as often as Joel.

[mtcan]

Does Toronto even know if Dame would suit up?

I know he's a big family guy. Im not sure he would be comfortable moving his family into another country.

If Im Toronto I would make sure he's at least okay with this idea. Kawhi was the same way and he left as soon as he got a chance.

Dame might request another trade later in the season.

Read on Twitter

Too bad Dame is signed for 3 more years. What he wants doesn't matter.

It would be in Dame's best interest to play as I'm sure Masai would make moves necessary to build a contender and maybe Dame's best chance to win a championship before he retires.

It actually does matter.

Toronto should remember when VC basically quit on them without actually quitting.

Like I said...not the best use of his last few years as a basketball player.

And...once again...read Bobby Marks' tweet about guys sitting out.

If he really wants out...retire and leave all the money on the table.

Dude is a competitor and professional. He will play.

[Zeno]

Personally I think this all comes down to Miami just trying to get away with a heist. Durant apparently told the Nets he wanted to only go to Suns. Suns/Nets owners got on the phone. Suns ponied up and deal was done. Riley is too used to getting stuff for free but free agency is almost not a thing anymore and he doesn’t want to adjust. So even though they knew everything they had was viewed as a poor offer, they offered less than half of that.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Maxey and maybe 1 1st does it tho

[TheAlchemist]

You know what would be an amazing deal? If Toronto Adds OG + Boucher + Otto Porter JR+ Gradey + picks, and Suns trade for Nurkic + Boucher + Otto for Ayton. Portland comes out with:

OG
Gradey
Ayton
Picks

Now that's a friggin haul.

[VaDe255]

Miami has pretty bad assets. Even Gradey Dick and picks is better than Herro. The only reason Toronto is even in the running is because their third or 4th best offer would be better than what Miami is willing to give up.

Yeah, an unproven player who never played a single game in the NBA and might not even end up playing minutes is better than a 20/5/5 player on a winning team. The delusion is truly incredible.

Clearly that 20/5/5 isn't something the Blazers have looked at and said "Wow!". He's got poor value because he's a mediocre player on a big contract.

He is a player properly paid for what the does, he isn't mediocre either, but rather in the top 15% of players currently playing in the NBA.
I'm already regretting posting here, because there is almost zero chance to get an interesting discussion, but having to deal with these kind of delusional takes. Bashing and disrespecting players with uninformed opinions is pretty much the standard and you are a good example of it.

[Tha Cynic]

Personally I think this all comes down to Miami just trying to get away with a heist. Durant apparently told the Nets he wanted to only go to Suns. Suns/Nets owners got on the phone. Suns ponied up and deal was done. Riley is too used to getting stuff for free but free agency is almost not a thing anymore and he doesn’t want to adjust. So even though they knew everything they had was viewed as a poor offer, they offered less than half of that.

Miami has a great system, culture and coach, and have used that to bump up player value. Jimmy Butler is also a great team player who can elevate players around him.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of their players regress with other teams. Remember when Riley and the Miami mass media was throwing Robinson out there like he was some stud? The same thing happened with Herro but people have caught on.

[Tha Cynic]

Yeah, an unproven player who never played a single game in the NBA and might not even end up playing minutes is better than a 20/5/5 player on a winning team. The delusion is truly incredible.

Clearly that 20/5/5 isn't something the Blazers have looked at and said "Wow!". He's got poor value because he's a mediocre player on a big contract.

He is a player properly paid for what the does.
I'm already regretting posting here, because there is almost zero chance to get an interesting discussion, but having to deal with these kind of delusional takes. Bashing and disrespecting players with uninformed opinions is pretty much the standard and you are a good exaple of it.

Herro is a good player in a specific role. The Blazers would clearly rather have Simons in that role at what he's paid than Herro. It's not a hard concept to understand. Herro had a blip on the map when he made that run with the Heat a couple of seasons ago (though at poor efficiency) and the Heat used that to build up his value. Ad an overall basketball player his ultimate ceiling will be as a 6th man. The Blazers already have a couple of options for that.

Other teams are also seemingly not looking to give up much value for him so that this can be transfered to Portland, at least so far.

OG is also clearly a role player and will eventually be making as much as Herro, but as an overall basketball player he's a much better fit on Portland who is in serious need of a glue guy who can play defense and score without needing the ball. He's also the second best role player behind Bridges imo, so some team will give up a lot of picks for him.

[JRoy]

It really isn’t.

Next year POR gets to pay OG, Grant and Ayton $30 million apiece..to not be all stars.

How is that a recipe for a winning team?

1-overpay role players
2-?
3-profit

How about land high end talent and figure out role players later?

[dockingsched]

Does Toronto even know if Dame would suit up?

I know he's a big family guy. Im not sure he would be comfortable moving his family into another country.

If Im Toronto I would make sure he's at least okay with this idea. Kawhi was the same way and he left as soon as he got a chance.

Dame might request another trade later in the season.

I would bet that a more likely scenario is that Dame agrees to report to camp for now and temporarily rescinds his trade demand if Portland informs him it’s either that or be traded to Toronto.

I don’t see any reason Dame would hold firm on his trade demand if it means getting shipped to Toronto. Might as well just stay in Portland and see where things are in February.

[Tha Cynic]

Does Toronto even know if Dame would suit up?

I know he's a big family guy. Im not sure he would be comfortable moving his family into another country.

If Im Toronto I would make sure he's at least okay with this idea. Kawhi was the same way and he left as soon as he got a chance.

Dame might request another trade later in the season.

I would bet that a more likely scenario is that Dame agrees to report to camp for now and temporarily rescinds his trade demand if Portland informs him it’s either that or be traded to Toronto.

I don’t see any reason Dame would hold firm on his trade demand if it means getting shipped to Toronto. Might as well just stay in Portland and see where things are in February.

I agree. Dame just built a mansion and has been reluctant to leave Portland so his thinking is that he would probably rather stay there than go to Toronto or some other destination he doesn't like. But, things may have gone too far to the point where the Blazers just try to get rid of him as soon as they can.

[cucad8]

It really isn’t.

Next year POR gets to pay OG, Grant and Ayton $30 million apiece..to not be all stars.

How is that a recipe for a winning team?

1-overpay role players
2-?
3-profit

How about land high end talent and figure out role players later?

This current iteration/rebuild is banking mightily on Scoot and Sharpe being those 2 stars. When your "future" are on their cheap rookie deals, and you HAVE to pay someone, overpaying on high end role players that will make their jobs and learning curves much easier night after night makes a lot of sense.
Obviously, there's no guarantee of anything that they become, but it's clearly what the team hopes for. So they're not looking at your typical tear it all down rebuild. Those usually happen when a team is hunting for their next star. Portland is banking on having already found those. Otherwise, am fairly certain they wouldn't have brought Grant back.

[VaDe255]

Clearly that 20/5/5 isn't something the Blazers have looked at and said "Wow!". He's got poor value because he's a mediocre player on a big contract.

He is a player properly paid for what the does.
I'm already regretting posting here, because there is almost zero chance to get an interesting discussion, but having to deal with these kind of delusional takes. Bashing and disrespecting players with uninformed opinions is pretty much the standard and you are a good exaple of it.

Herro is a good player in a specific role. The Blazers would clearly rather have Simons in that role at what he's paid than Herro. It's not a hard concept to understand. Herro had a blip on the map when he made that run with the Heat a couple of seasons ago (though at poor efficiency) and the Heat used that to build up his value. Ad an overall basketball player his ultimate ceiling will be as a 6th man. The Blazers already have a couple of options for that.

Other teams are also seemingly not looking to give up much value for him so that this can be transfered to Portland, at least so far.

OG is also clearly a role player and will eventually be making as much as Herro, but as an overall basketball player he's a much better fit on Portland who is in serious need of a glue guy who can play defense and score without needing the ball. He's also the second best role player behind Bridges imo, so some team will give up a lot of picks for him.

Unless you have a wiretap installed in Portlands GM office stop pretending you know what they want and how they value players.
You also are just ignoring that OG can walk where ever he wants as an unrestricted FA next year, especially with teams like Knicks, 76ers having room for multiple highly paid FAs.

[zimpy27]

Dame x Drake collab incoming