Nick Nurse Is Overrated

[Jabroni Lames]

That’s a fair point, but let’s not act like Brunson wasn’t at 52.5 true shooting , despite the crazy volume. But to answer your question, the issue was embiids health. Their whole defense is centered around him and he wasn’t healthy enough. With him they were elite this season, when they didn’t have him on the floor, they were a dumpster fire. So that being said, his injuries really hurt them. In addition, their strat was to have Brunson go off with volume on low efficiency, they did do that, and Brunson was better was more efficient against Indiana than the 76ers

It wasn't Embiid's fault. In addition to putting up a ridiculous playoff statline of: 33.0ppg, 10.8rpg, 5.7apg, 1.2spg, 1.5bpg... Embiid had a truly unbelievable +58 on/off net rating. That's staggering. That means that it was the non-Embiid minutes that sank the Sixers. Hey... that's a perfect opportunity for the exalted coaching strategist, Nick Nurse, to show that he can actually coach.

Hurt or not, Embiid played like an MVP and did his job in the Knicks series. It was Nurse who got exposed.

How was Nurse exposed? What was he supposed to do with maybe the thinnest line up Embiid has had and a non existent bench?

Oubre is the only one who played like a rotation player for a playoff team. They relied on a 37 year old Lowry to start. Tobias played like trash. Washed up Nic Batum was the 6th man. Paul Reed is Embiids back up which is a huge reason for his insane on/off differential

lol. Conveniently forgot about Buddy Hield, just like Nurse. Hey, let’s not use the guy who has made the second most 3-pt shots after Steph Curry in the last 5 years. Classic Nurse. He shreds the confidence of his bench guys and overuses his starters.

He was lucky that Casey left him with unbelievable depth and Masai got him Kawhi & Gasol (all-NBA & former DPOYs) that even he couldn’t screw up the championship season with the Raptors. I mean, your (and many others) only defense of Nurse is that he wasn’t given a super-stacked, super-deep team. lol. You and I could coach a team like that… at least out of the first round, like Doc Rivers & Brett Brown did. And they had to deal with the head case Ben Simmons.

[nikster]

It wasn't Embiid's fault. In addition to putting up a ridiculous playoff statline of: 33.0ppg, 10.8rpg, 5.7apg, 1.2spg, 1.5bpg... Embiid had a truly unbelievable +58 on/off net rating. That's staggering. That means that it was the non-Embiid minutes that sank the Sixers. Hey... that's a perfect opportunity for the exalted coaching strategist, Nick Nurse, to show that he can actually coach.

Hurt or not, Embiid played like an MVP and did his job in the Knicks series. It was Nurse who got exposed.

How was Nurse exposed? What was he supposed to do with maybe the thinnest line up Embiid has had and a non existent bench?

Oubre is the only one who played like a rotation player for a playoff team. They relied on a 37 year old Lowry to start. Tobias played like trash. Washed up Nic Batum was the 6th man. Paul Reed is Embiids back up which is a huge reason for his insane on/off differential

lol. Conveniently forgot about Buddy Hield, just like Nurse. Hey, let’s not use the guy who has made the second most 3-pt shots after Steph Curry in the last 5 years. Classic Nurse. He shreds the confidence of his bench guys and overuses his starters.

He was lucky that Casey left him with unbelievable depth and Masai got him Kawhi & Gasol (all-NBA & former DPOYs) that even he couldn’t screw up the championship season with the Raptors. I mean, your (and many others) only defense of Nurse is that he wasn’t given a super-stacked, super-deep team. lol. You and I could coach a team like that… at least out of the first round, like Doc Rivers & Brett Brown did. And they had to deal with the head case Ben Simmons.

How's Hield supposed to help the non Embiid minutes? You realize there's a whole other side of the court. How do you imagine you put together a functional defense playing Hield beside Maxey in the front court, Paul Reed as your only rim protection, and no elite wing defenders? Since you used the plus/minus in the non Embiid minutes to disparage Nurse, Buddy Heild had a -50 net rating in his non Embiid playoff minutes (a guy who never made a playoffs before this year btw).

The Brown/Doc comparisons show just how irrational your hatred of Nurse is. The Knicks are more talented than any team they beat, and their supporting casts around Embiid were better.

[Jabroni Lames]

How was Nurse exposed? What was he supposed to do with maybe the thinnest line up Embiid has had and a non existent bench?

Oubre is the only one who played like a rotation player for a playoff team. They relied on a 37 year old Lowry to start. Tobias played like trash. Washed up Nic Batum was the 6th man. Paul Reed is Embiids back up which is a huge reason for his insane on/off differential

lol. Conveniently forgot about Buddy Hield, just like Nurse. Hey, let’s not use the guy who has made the second most 3-pt shots after Steph Curry in the last 5 years. Classic Nurse. He shreds the confidence of his bench guys and overuses his starters.

He was lucky that Casey left him with unbelievable depth and Masai got him Kawhi & Gasol (all-NBA & former DPOYs) that even he couldn’t screw up the championship season with the Raptors. I mean, your (and many others) only defense of Nurse is that he wasn’t given a super-stacked, super-deep team. lol. You and I could coach a team like that… at least out of the first round, like Doc Rivers & Brett Brown did. And they had to deal with the head case Ben Simmons.

How's Hield supposed to help the non Embiid minutes? You realize there's a whole other side of the court. How do you imagine you put together a functional defense playing Hield beside Maxey in the front court, Paul Reed as your only rim protection, and no elite wing defenders? Since you used the plus/minus in the non Embiid minutes to disparage Nurse, Buddy Heild had a -50 net rating in his non Embiid playoff minutes (a guy who never made a playoffs before this year btw).

The Brown/Doc comparisons show just how irrational your hatred of Nurse is. The Knicks are more talented than any team they beat, and their supporting casts around Embiid were better.

Nurse coached Embiid to a +58.0 on/off net rating in the playoffs. Do you know how bad that is? It's so bad that it's almost not even believable. That's like Nurse transforming into the worst coach of all time, by a wide margin, as soon as Embiid sits. Like I said... you and I could get that result... or probably better. The whole idea of Nurse was supposed to this strategic genius, difference maker, massive upgrade to Doc Rivers.... especially in the playoffs vs. a Knicks team that was missing their all-star PF.

On the contrary... Nurse was literally exposed as soon as Embiid sat. Nurse's coaching isn't having any impact whatsoever, unless you consider the negative impact. What is the point of having a coach anyway, if he can't build bench depth or scheme intelligently when the star player sits? It's basically all Embiid.

[nikster]

lol. Conveniently forgot about Buddy Hield, just like Nurse. Hey, let’s not use the guy who has made the second most 3-pt shots after Steph Curry in the last 5 years. Classic Nurse. He shreds the confidence of his bench guys and overuses his starters.

He was lucky that Casey left him with unbelievable depth and Masai got him Kawhi & Gasol (all-NBA & former DPOYs) that even he couldn’t screw up the championship season with the Raptors. I mean, your (and many others) only defense of Nurse is that he wasn’t given a super-stacked, super-deep team. lol. You and I could coach a team like that… at least out of the first round, like Doc Rivers & Brett Brown did. And they had to deal with the head case Ben Simmons.

How's Hield supposed to help the non Embiid minutes? You realize there's a whole other side of the court. How do you imagine you put together a functional defense playing Hield beside Maxey in the front court, Paul Reed as your only rim protection, and no elite wing defenders? Since you used the plus/minus in the non Embiid minutes to disparage Nurse, Buddy Heild had a -50 net rating in his non Embiid playoff minutes (a guy who never made a playoffs before this year btw).

The Brown/Doc comparisons show just how irrational your hatred of Nurse is. The Knicks are more talented than any team they beat, and their supporting casts around Embiid were better.

Nurse coached Embiid to a +58.0 on/off net rating in the playoffs. Do you know how bad that is? It's so bad that it's almost not even believable. That's like Nurse transforming into the worst coach of all time, by a wide margin, as soon as Embiid sits. Like I said... you and I could get that result... or probably better. The whole idea of Nurse was supposed to this strategic genius, difference maker, massive upgrade to Doc Rivers.... especially in the playoffs vs. a Knicks team that was missing their all-star PF.

On the contrary... Nurse was literally exposed as soon as Embiid sat. Nurse's coaching isn't having any impact whatsoever, unless you consider the negative impact. What is the point of having a coach anyway, if he can't build bench depth or scheme intelligently when the star player sits? It's basically all Embiid.

Nothing of substance like I thought. You cry "What about Buddy Hield" and then just deflect again when you realize they were just as trash with him. A coach is not in a GM, and no coach can turn **** into gold. Those Knicks without Randle are still better than any team the 76ers have ever beat. I guess you would have thought so much of Nurse if he beat the Nets

Embiid was having his best season ever and took big strides as a playmaker because Nurse was using him more effectively. Is he not at all responsibilities for how the team plays when Embiid is on the court?

[Jabroni Lames]

How's Hield supposed to help the non Embiid minutes? You realize there's a whole other side of the court. How do you imagine you put together a functional defense playing Hield beside Maxey in the front court, Paul Reed as your only rim protection, and no elite wing defenders? Since you used the plus/minus in the non Embiid minutes to disparage Nurse, Buddy Heild had a -50 net rating in his non Embiid playoff minutes (a guy who never made a playoffs before this year btw).

The Brown/Doc comparisons show just how irrational your hatred of Nurse is. The Knicks are more talented than any team they beat, and their supporting casts around Embiid were better.

Nurse coached Embiid to a +58.0 on/off net rating in the playoffs. Do you know how bad that is? It's so bad that it's almost not even believable. That's like Nurse transforming into the worst coach of all time, by a wide margin, as soon as Embiid sits. Like I said... you and I could get that result... or probably better. The whole idea of Nurse was supposed to this strategic genius, difference maker, massive upgrade to Doc Rivers.... especially in the playoffs vs. a Knicks team that was missing their all-star PF.

On the contrary... Nurse was literally exposed as soon as Embiid sat. Nurse's coaching isn't having any impact whatsoever, unless you consider the negative impact. What is the point of having a coach anyway, if he can't build bench depth or scheme intelligently when the star player sits? It's basically all Embiid.

Nothing of substance like I thought. You cry "What about Buddy Hield" and then just deflect again when you realize they were just as trash with him. A coach is not in a GM, and no coach can turn **** into gold. Those Knicks without Randle are still better than any team the 76ers have ever beat. I guess you would have thought so much of Nurse if he beat the Nets

Embiid was having his best season ever and took big strides as a playmaker because Nurse was using him more effectively. Is he not at all responsibilities for how the team plays when Embiid is on the court?

lol. You’re just trying to strawman the argument to a micro-point that you can win, but I will not even allow you that faux victory.

You brought up Batum, so I brought up Hield, who almost won the Sixers game 6. The point is obvious… he’s one of the best 3-pt shooters in the NBA in the last decade. He can help Embiid minutes, or non-Embiid minutes, but Nurse had a brain cramp until it was too late.

And glad you brought up Paul Reed. So how come Paul Reed had a stellar net rating and on/off net rating just the season before in the playoffs under Doc Rivers, but cratered under Nurse. Same old, same old. Nurse can’t develop benches unless he’s handed super-duper stars and massive depth.

[bkkrh]

Nick Nurse is a head coach for over 30 years, coached in 3 different countries and 5 different leagues, won titles and coach of the year awards in almost all of them and worked himself from being a coach in some of the lower European leagues and the G League into the NBA, where he also won a title. But yes, nothing of that counts because because in his first season in Philly he doesn't win games when his best player is injured .

[Snotbubbles]

He's leagues better than Doc Rivers, but it was obvious that Kyle Lowry was a negative on the court in that Knicks series and he kept going to him even though Cam Payne was outplaying him by a mile. Cost them game 2 and changed the entire complexion of the series.

[scrabbarista]

I don't care what anyone says - even myself earlier in this thread - Nick Nurse is the worst coach I've ever seen in my life. If such a contest could be arranged, I'd bet my life savings my AI girlfriend would outcoach him.

[tamaraw08]

Nick Nurse is a head coach for over 30 years, coached in 3 different countries and 5 different leagues, won titles and coach of the year awards in almost all of them and worked himself from being a coach in some of the lower European leagues and the G League into the NBA, where he also won a title. But yes, nothing of that counts because because in his first season in Philly he doesn't win games when his best player is injured .

Most fans usually look at rings but if they hate the coach, they always say, his team was actually carried by his superstars but my goodness, Kawhi and Green leaves and Nurse' team still win 53 games, and his haters conveniently ignore this fact?

2 of you best defenders leave and your team is 2nd BEST IN DRTG STILL?
Kawhi and his 26pts/game abandon Nick's team and still was able to be 14th in offense?

[nikster]

Nurse coached Embiid to a +58.0 on/off net rating in the playoffs. Do you know how bad that is? It's so bad that it's almost not even believable. That's like Nurse transforming into the worst coach of all time, by a wide margin, as soon as Embiid sits. Like I said... you and I could get that result... or probably better. The whole idea of Nurse was supposed to this strategic genius, difference maker, massive upgrade to Doc Rivers.... especially in the playoffs vs. a Knicks team that was missing their all-star PF.

On the contrary... Nurse was literally exposed as soon as Embiid sat. Nurse's coaching isn't having any impact whatsoever, unless you consider the negative impact. What is the point of having a coach anyway, if he can't build bench depth or scheme intelligently when the star player sits? It's basically all Embiid.

Nothing of substance like I thought. You cry "What about Buddy Hield" and then just deflect again when you realize they were just as trash with him. A coach is not in a GM, and no coach can turn **** into gold. Those Knicks without Randle are still better than any team the 76ers have ever beat. I guess you would have thought so much of Nurse if he beat the Nets

Embiid was having his best season ever and took big strides as a playmaker because Nurse was using him more effectively. Is he not at all responsibilities for how the team plays when Embiid is on the court?

lol. You’re just trying to strawman the argument to a micro-point that you can win, but I will not even allow you that faux victory.

You brought up Batum, so I brought up Hield, who almost won the Sixers game 6. The point is obvious… he’s one of the best 3-pt shooters in the NBA in the last decade. He can help Embiid minutes, or non-Embiid minutes, but Nurse had a brain cramp until it was too late.

And glad you brought up Paul Reed. So how come Paul Reed had a stellar net rating and on/off net rating just the season before in the playoffs under Doc Rivers, but cratered under Nurse. Same old, same old. Nurse can’t develop benches unless he’s handed super-duper stars and massive depth.

My point was lack of depth. Batum was the 6th man and Buddy doesn't change that, and they didn't play any better when he was on the court.


I wonder why a player like Paul Reed was more effective when he played almost all his minutes with James Harden? Must be the coaching

[Jabroni Lames]

Nothing of substance like I thought. You cry "What about Buddy Hield" and then just deflect again when you realize they were just as trash with him. A coach is not in a GM, and no coach can turn **** into gold. Those Knicks without Randle are still better than any team the 76ers have ever beat. I guess you would have thought so much of Nurse if he beat the Nets

Embiid was having his best season ever and took big strides as a playmaker because Nurse was using him more effectively. Is he not at all responsibilities for how the team plays when Embiid is on the court?

lol. You’re just trying to strawman the argument to a micro-point that you can win, but I will not even allow you that faux victory.

You brought up Batum, so I brought up Hield, who almost won the Sixers game 6. The point is obvious… he’s one of the best 3-pt shooters in the NBA in the last decade. He can help Embiid minutes, or non-Embiid minutes, but Nurse had a brain cramp until it was too late.

And glad you brought up Paul Reed. So how come Paul Reed had a stellar net rating and on/off net rating just the season before in the playoffs under Doc Rivers, but cratered under Nurse. Same old, same old. Nurse can’t develop benches unless he’s handed super-duper stars and massive depth.

My point was lack of depth. Batum was the 6th man and Buddy doesn't change that, and they didn't play any better when he was on the court.


I wonder why a player like Paul Reed was more effective when he played almost all his minutes with James Harden? Must be the coaching

Reed played all but 1 playoff minute with Maxey. That’s an even higher percentage than Harden. And let’s not forget that Harden had zero trade value annd was considered a negative asset annd washed in the offseason. And almost 70% of Reed’s regular season minutes were with Maxey this season. It’s not like he’s out there by himself. Interestingly, Reed played his most minutes the previous season with Shake Milton and second most with Georges Niang. lol. I guess Doc Rivers can somehow get more out his depth guys than Nurse. But we already knew that.

[nikster]

lol. You’re just trying to strawman the argument to a micro-point that you can win, but I will not even allow you that faux victory.

You brought up Batum, so I brought up Hield, who almost won the Sixers game 6. The point is obvious… he’s one of the best 3-pt shooters in the NBA in the last decade. He can help Embiid minutes, or non-Embiid minutes, but Nurse had a brain cramp until it was too late.

And glad you brought up Paul Reed. So how come Paul Reed had a stellar net rating and on/off net rating just the season before in the playoffs under Doc Rivers, but cratered under Nurse. Same old, same old. Nurse can’t develop benches unless he’s handed super-duper stars and massive depth.

My point was lack of depth. Batum was the 6th man and Buddy doesn't change that, and they didn't play any better when he was on the court.


I wonder why a player like Paul Reed was more effective when he played almost all his minutes with James Harden? Must be the coaching

Reed played all but 1 playoff minute with Maxey. That’s an even higher percentage than Harden. And let’s not forget that Harden had zero trade value annd was considered a negative asset annd washed in the offseason. And almost 70% of Reed’s regular season minutes were with Maxey this season. It’s not like he’s out there by himself. Interestingly, Reed played his most minutes the previous season with Shake Milton and second most with Georges Niang. lol. I guess Doc Rivers can somehow get more out his depth guys than Nurse. But we already knew that.

Why you talkikg about regular season? With Doc Reed had negative on/off, with Nurse it was positive. It's only in the small sample of the playoffs you even have an argument.

Maxey is not anywhere near the play maker or pick N roll partner that Maxey is. I'm sorry you can't rely on anything but perceived trade value when judging players.

[Jabroni Lames]

lol. As expected... Nurse turns into Tim Floyd as soon as you take away Embiid & PG (or Kawhi, Lowry and a stacked Raptors squad).

Even a rookie coach, like Jordi Fernandez, who has zero to work with (actually negative because he's forced to coach Ben Simmons), has the Nets playing together with some pride. Heck, even the Wizards, who have proactively rigged their roster to tank, have more wins than Nick Nurse.

Most over-rated coach in the history of the NBA. Mastermind. lol.

[Vampirate]

Nurse is a tactician, but one of his biggest flaws is if your roster isn't talented enough he rides your best players, basically to the ground.

Maxey is leading the league per game by 4.6 more then the next guy atm.

He's a more decorated Thibs.

[Jabroni Lames]

Nurse is a tactician, but one of his biggest flaws is if your roster isn't talented enough he rides your best players, basically to the ground.

Maxey is leading the league per game by 4.6 more then the next guy atm.

He's a more decorated Thibs.

It's the opposite. When your roster is depleted, that's where it becomes clear just how good a tactician the coach is to make up for the lack of talent. Not saying you Sixers need to be 5-0 without Embiid, but Nurse just falls right off the map when Embiid sits. At that point, it becomes very foggy just how good Nurse actually is.

All you ever hear about Nurse is: Mastermind, Genius, Tactician, Innovator, Elite.... top 2 coach in the NBA, after Spo.

And to give him his flowers... yes, Nurse's defensive schemes were definitely innovative for a few seasons with the Raptors. But they were quickly solved by opposition coaches and he hasn't done much since then. And Nurse has always ran one of the least imaginative offenses in the NBA, from Day 1 when he started coaching Kawhi.

I mean, even Doc Rivers and Brett Brown got further with Embiid, than Nurse in the playoffs. His playoff record (and missing it altogether) is absolutely terrible after Kawhi left Toronto. That's 2019 folks. A long time ago, by NBA standards.

[Vampirate]

Nurse is a tactician, but one of his biggest flaws is if your roster isn't talented enough he rides your best players, basically to the ground.

Maxey is leading the league per game by 4.6 more then the next guy atm.

He's a more decorated Thibs.

It's the opposite. When your roster is depleted, that's where it becomes clear just how good a tactician the coach is to make up for the lack of talent. Not saying you Sixers need to be 5-0 without Embiid, but Nurse just falls right off the map when Embiid sits. At that point, it becomes very foggy just how good Nurse actually is.

All you ever hear about Nurse is: Mastermind, Genius, Tactician, Innovator, Elite.... top 2 coach in the NBA, after Spo.

And to give him his flowers... yes, Nurse's defensive schemes were definitely innovative for a few seasons with the Raptors. But they were quickly solved by opposition coaches and he hasn't done much since then. And Nurse has always ran one of the least imaginative offenses in the NBA, from Day 1 when he started coaching Kawhi.

I mean, even Doc Rivers and Brett Brown got further with Embiid, than Nurse in the playoffs. His playoff record (and missing it altogether) is absolutely terrible after Kawhi left Toronto. That's 2019 folks. A long time ago, by NBA standards.

I just said he's a more decorated Thibs.

[zero rings]

Coaching barely matters in the NBA, and we spend way too much time talking about it. They are only there to babysit the players and take all the blame when the team disappoints.

As long as your head coach is competent, it doesn't really matter which one you have.

[Jabroni Lames]

Nurse is a tactician, but one of his biggest flaws is if your roster isn't talented enough he rides your best players, basically to the ground.

Maxey is leading the league per game by 4.6 more then the next guy atm.

He's a more decorated Thibs.

It's the opposite. When your roster is depleted, that's where it becomes clear just how good a tactician the coach is to make up for the lack of talent. Not saying you Sixers need to be 5-0 without Embiid, but Nurse just falls right off the map when Embiid sits. At that point, it becomes very foggy just how good Nurse actually is.

All you ever hear about Nurse is: Mastermind, Genius, Tactician, Innovator, Elite.... top 2 coach in the NBA, after Spo.

And to give him his flowers... yes, Nurse's defensive schemes were definitely innovative for a few seasons with the Raptors. But they were quickly solved by opposition coaches and he hasn't done much since then. And Nurse has always ran one of the least imaginative offenses in the NBA, from Day 1 when he started coaching Kawhi.

I mean, even Doc Rivers and Brett Brown got further with Embiid, than Nurse in the playoffs. His playoff record (and missing it altogether) is absolutely terrible after Kawhi left Toronto. That's 2019 folks. A long time ago, by NBA standards.

I just said he's a more decorated Thibs.

Nah, Nurse is at least 1 tier below Thibs. We just saw it last playoffs. Thibs coached circles around Nurse. And the so-called defensive "MasterMind" Nurse, couldn't even stop 5'10" Jalen Brunson, when he was the only real scoring threat. That was supposed to be Nurse's wheelhouse, especially considering that they specifically brought him in for the playoffs... to do better than Doc Rivers.

[Vampirate]

It's the opposite. When your roster is depleted, that's where it becomes clear just how good a tactician the coach is to make up for the lack of talent. Not saying you Sixers need to be 5-0 without Embiid, but Nurse just falls right off the map when Embiid sits. At that point, it becomes very foggy just how good Nurse actually is.

All you ever hear about Nurse is: Mastermind, Genius, Tactician, Innovator, Elite.... top 2 coach in the NBA, after Spo.

And to give him his flowers... yes, Nurse's defensive schemes were definitely innovative for a few seasons with the Raptors. But they were quickly solved by opposition coaches and he hasn't done much since then. And Nurse has always ran one of the least imaginative offenses in the NBA, from Day 1 when he started coaching Kawhi.

I mean, even Doc Rivers and Brett Brown got further with Embiid, than Nurse in the playoffs. His playoff record (and missing it altogether) is absolutely terrible after Kawhi left Toronto. That's 2019 folks. A long time ago, by NBA standards.

I just said he's a more decorated Thibs.

Nah, Nurse is at least 1 tier below Thibs. We just saw it last playoffs. Thibs coached circles around Nurse. And the so-called defensive "MasterMind" Nurse, couldn't even stop 5'10" Jalen Brunson, when he was the only real scoring threat. That was supposed to be Nurse's wheelhouse, especially considering that they specifically brought him in for the playoffs... to do better than Doc Rivers.

Good lord man, Brunson is Brunson.

And yes, i'm sure even now 76ers fans will still take Nurse over Doc, heck even Buck fans might.

In the end Nurse did coach a 53 win post Kawhi Raptors team before it all fell apart seasons after.

You really do hate the guy lol.

[greekman]

it's hard to blame nurse for philly's problems when embiid and george are sidelined