NBA Trade Thread #11

[Chi town]

They have a couple guys that could help.

I believe the Bulls have 1M in room as well.

Wonder if BPod will be traded. He’s having a rough year and with Shroeder coming he will be getting even less burn.

That'd be a win...Vuc for GP2, Looney and Podz.

I hope Podz and GP2 can play SF or PF because that's a very crowded backcourt. Bulls would also have to release 2 players to make the trade.

Think POD would stay but Looney and GP2 would be rerouted.

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[Muzbar]

That'd be a win...Vuc for GP2, Looney and Podz.

I hope Podz and GP2 can play SF or PF because that's a very crowded backcourt. Bulls would also have to release 2 players to make the trade.

Think POD would stay but Looney and GP2 would be rerouted.

I'm pretty certain there are no teams with available capspace (I could be wrong), so the Bulls would still need to take some sort of salary back from the 3rd team.

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If the Bulls could nab Stewart and a pick in a Detroit 3way, that would be sweet.

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[Dez]

If the Bulls could nab Stewart and a pick in a Detroit 3way, that would be sweet.

No thanks on Stewart, the dude is a lunatic and he's not good enough to put up with the **** he pulls.

[Ccwatercraft]

Looney and GP2 and both expiring equaling 17M.

Good point. Although I think GSW is just below the 2nd apron, but maybe they could include a young guy to get there for Vuc.

They have a couple guys that could help.

I believe the Bulls have 1M in room as well.

Wonder if BPod will be traded. He’s having a rough year and with Shroeder coming he will be getting even less burn.

I thought we had like 9 mil.

[Infinity2152]

Good point. Although I think GSW is just below the 2nd apron, but maybe they could include a young guy to get there for Vuc.

They have a couple guys that could help.

I believe the Bulls have 1M in room as well.

Wonder if BPod will be traded. He’s having a rough year and with Shroeder coming he will be getting even less burn.

I thought we had like 9 mil.

We're 9.7 million under the first apron, not under the cap. Tax starts at 170.8 mill, we're at 168.4 mill according to Spotrac. So looks like about 2.4 mill in space before tax.

[Guru]

I hope Podz and GP2 can play SF or PF because that's a very crowded backcourt. Bulls would also have to release 2 players to make the trade.

Think POD would stay but Looney and GP2 would be rerouted.

I'm pretty certain there are no teams with available capspace (I could be wrong), so the Bulls would still need to take some sort of salary back from the 3rd team.

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[Ccwatercraft]

They have a couple guys that could help.

I believe the Bulls have 1M in room as well.

Wonder if BPod will be traded. He’s having a rough year and with Shroeder coming he will be getting even less burn.

I thought we had like 9 mil.

We're 9.7 million under the first apron, not under the cap. Tax starts at 170.8 mill, we're at 168.4 mill according to Spotrac. So looks like about 2.4 mill in space before tax.

Oops my bad then, we're hard capped at 170.8 due to the Smith signing? Not 1st apron?

I had it wrong.

[sco]

What about Vuc to Lakers? He'd be a great fit. The have salary constraints, but something like:

Vuc, Carter, Craig for Vandy, Hayes, Russell + a couple 2nds (preferably their '29 1st) would work for me.

Vandy seems like a great 3rd forward and small ball C in the mix with Matas and Pat. Might even make Pat expendable if we could get value for him down the road.

[sco]

I'm still a Zach trade doubter this season, but if NO is focused on trading BI, I think I'd do:

Zach + filler for BI, Missi plus a top 10 protected 1st.

We get an option on BI, but at worst, he's off the books. Resigning him may not be as bad as it seems. He's 27 and you'd be paying for his peak years. I like Missi too. And you get a first. Now this isn't a "rebuild move", but I'm still convinced that AK won't do one. We need to add a scorer in that scenario and BI isn't a bad option.

Zach is a very good fit with Murray and Zion, and is still on their age window.

[Chi town]

Pelicans open for business in trade market

While naturally resistant to trade inquiries for their younger gems — Herb Jones, rookie Yves Missi and Trey Murphy III — word is that the Pelicans are essentially open to trade pitches for pretty much anyone else on the roster apart from those three amid a 5-21 start and more injury woe than even Philadelphia. – via marcstein.substack.com


Looks like the Pels are open for business too. Starting to think only Vuc gets traded.

[ChettheJet]

That's a superb deal for the Bulls going either way with Ingram. It's out of this world thinking that NOP would give up a pick to get rid of the guy they've been trying to trade and their top prospect to take on the overweight contract in money and years that the Bulls need to trade to try and reset their roster. Zach is having a good and healthy 25 games, with his history screaming in the background that doesn't mean he'll be healthy at 45 games

[Ccwatercraft]

What about Vuc to Lakers? He'd be a great fit. The have salary constraints, but something like:

Vuc, Carter, Craig for Vandy, Hayes, Russell + a couple 2nds (preferably their '29 1st) would work for me.

Vandy seems like a great 3rd forward and small ball C in the mix with Matas and Pat. Might even make Pat expendable if we could get value for him down the road.

I'm 100% behind adding carter in a trade, that would be a big plug, and adding Craig would help facilitate that perhaps?

Otherwise craig by himself seems like he'd net us something positive, he's a good player on a great contract, seems like he'd be a good addition to a team looking to shore up a weakness and make a run.

[sco]

What about Vuc to Lakers? He'd be a great fit. The have salary constraints, but something like:

Vuc, Carter, Craig for Vandy, Hayes, Russell + a couple 2nds (preferably their '29 1st) would work for me.

Vandy seems like a great 3rd forward and small ball C in the mix with Matas and Pat. Might even make Pat expendable if we could get value for him down the road.

I'm 100% behind adding carter in a trade, that would be a big plug, and adding Craig would help facilitate that perhaps?

Otherwise craig by himself seems like he'd net us something positive, he's a good player on a great contract, seems like he'd be a good addition to a team looking to shore up a weakness and make a run.

Those 2 were needed for salary purposes

[Infinity2152]

That's a superb deal for the Bulls going either way with Ingram. It's out of this world thinking that NOP would give up a pick to get rid of the guy they've been trying to trade and their top prospect to take on the overweight contract in money and years that the Bulls need to trade to try and reset their roster. Zach is having a good and healthy 25 games, with his history screaming in the background that doesn't mean he'll be healthy at 45 games

Ingram played 61, 55, 45, 64 games last 4 years. He's played over 62 games twice in his career. Don't think injury should be a factor in comparing the two, Ingram's missed a ton of games too. Zach's probably a slightly better player, at least IMO. Prior to this year, Ingram played in 477 out of 656 regular season games (73%). Zach's at 580 out of 820 (71%). Zach had 2 seasons where he only played 24 and 25 games, he actually generally plays more games per season than Ingram if you take out the outliers. Ingram consistently misses 20+ games a season.

Don't think they'll give us a pick PLUS Missi, but we should be able to get one or the other. Pelicans are on a deadline, we're not.

[patryk7754]

Since it seems like no one wants to trade for Lavine or Vucevic even tho they are playing at all star levels and tanking won’t be an option - we might as well say **** it and trade for some players who would at least be exciting to watch and at best play and take us to the playoffs. I would not give up more than one 1st round pick total in this scenario, thought.

It can basically be a three team trade.

Pelicans get: White, Williams, 1st (preferably protected)and a bunch of second rounders

Nets get: Lonzo, Giddey, Carter Duarte and a 2nd

Bulls get: Cam Thomas, Ben Simmons, And Zion.


Nets do it becuase they get decent talent in return and can off load Simmons (also saw a couple of videos suggesting the Thomas might be the next player the nets trade). Pelicans do it because they’re tired of Zion always being “hurt”. Again. Probably undervaluing them but it’s worth seeing what it would take to get them. More so Zion. If it’s two or three of our role players and a 1st. It’s 100% worth the risk. And yes I understand we are having a “youth movement” but our youth is horrible and the plan should be abandoned immediately

[Infinity2152]

Since it seems like no one wants to trade for Lavine or Vucevic even tho they are playing at all star levels and tanking won’t be an option - we might as well say **** it and trade for some players who would at least be exciting to watch and at best play and take us to the playoffs. I would not give up more than one 1st round pick total in this scenario, thought.

It can basically be a three team trade.

Pelicans get: White, Williams, 1st (preferably protected)and a bunch of second rounders

Nets get: Lonzo, Giddey, Carter Duarte and a 2nd

Bulls get: Cam Thomas, Ben Simmons, And Zion.


Nets do it becuase they get decent talent in return and can off load Simmons (also saw a couple of videos suggesting the Thomas might be the next player the nets trade). Pelicans do it because they’re tired of Zion always being “hurt”. Again. Probably undervaluing them but it’s worth seeing what it would take to get them. More so Zion. If it’s two or three of our role players and a 1st. It’s 100% worth the risk. And yes I understand we are having a “youth movement” but our youth is horrible and the plan should be abandoned immediately

NGL, I hated this trade idea when I first saw it. We'd need SO many things to go right to win this. Giving up Williams, Giddey, White and multiple picks, if Zion is not healthy we're dead. Even if he is you need Giddey, Williams and White plus picks to not be worth more in the long run. Need Lonzo to not be a value contract next year, which I think he will be for us. Simmons is getting min, at best, but I'd rather take the chance on Ball. Need Cam Thomas to re-sign at a reasonable price.

But a lineup of Ayo, Lavine, Simmons, Zion, Vuc with Thomas, Matas, Smith, Terry, Phillips could be VERY intriguing. Defense would shoot up, and I think Ayo could add a few points to his scoring average efficiently with more minutes. Zion, Vuc, Lavine gives you more than enough scoring, but our three point shooting drops. Cam Thomas will make up for some of that, and Ayo would have to get his shot back. We might lose our draft pick this summer with that team. Would give Matas PLENTY of SF minutes, might even start him to keep the floor spaced. Can still look for trades for Zach and Vuc this summer if they're still here.

If Zion's not healthy, we gave up a ton of youth and picks and we're stuck with another huge albatross contract. Giddey's probably the big sticking point for me, I'm more bullish on Giddey improving than Zion regularly playing 60 gms or more/season.

[patryk7754]

With trade talks building around butler, we should also inquire about Bam. It's likely that Riley is just letting Jimmy go to a contender because of his age and still wants to build around Bam and Herro but, maybe he's willing to do a full rebuild for the right price. I may be willing to part with two protected 1sts (plus role players) for Bam