Game Thread: NY Knicks at Phoenix Suns Wed, Nov 20 10:00 PM

[Guano]

lol.
Brunson is unreal

[NYKnickerbocker]

They missed, but that was some real bad defense from Mikal lol

[adjacent2bench]

Most impressive pass I’ve seen from Brunson as a Knick.

[Guano]

Were never gonna miss

[3toheadmelo]

How are you gonna say all the teams he played the 5 were bottom 10, then follow it up with "The year they finished 13th" in the same sentence. You're ignoring the fact that he had a 59.6% DFG in all 7 of his seasons as the Wolves center, now you're using his DFG% in 2023 when he was a PF to talk about how bad he is at C. Too many blanket statements with no backing that are really easy to check, like saying no starting C in the post season has ever been that bad, when Zubac quiet literally gave up 75% DFG in 2023, which is the same season KAT did it at POWER FORWARD.


I've never made a claim that he was elite or great as a rim protector, you could just admit that calling him historically bad was a poor choice, instead you're trying to make anything stick. We're not going to go around in circles over this, because the number is going to come down gradually over the course of the season, like it has been doing over the past couple games.

Because finishing 13th in DEF rating was the only outlier and he still played terrible defensively in the post season and they got bounced in the 1st round. So why should it matter?

I stand corrected about 2023.

So you found only one other starting C that had 75% DFG at the rim. That's still historically bad. 1 other player

The number can go down all it want in the regular season and I hope i does, but if we don't win a chip then all of that is moot. My point is that no team has won a chip without having a rim protector. You're just arguing about semantics about "historically bad". I don't really care about that. I care if we win a chip or not with him at the 5 and historically it never happened in the modern era without a rim protector besides Jokic.

At the end of the day, the Knicks and teams around the league know that we can't survive with KAT at the 5.

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KAT's individual net rating while playing C with the Wolves was 109, so maybe he wasn't actually the problem in all those seasons. But, making him appear as bad as possible seems to be the goal, even though the Wolves fans who watched him the most are here, and they also don't think he is historically bad.

Jonas 80.8% in 2022, Porzingis gave up 73.7% in 2021 and the list goes on, but the point is you said it was the worst ever, when it's not even the worst in the last 5 years and he wasn't playing C either. It's not semantics, saying someone is historically bad over and over then being shown that isn't the case isn't semantics.

Whether he can or can't play the 5 is really moot, since we have options to play him at the 4 or 5 based on matchups which is something we never had, and Tom never wanted to go small till now.

But did Jonas and Porzingis win a chip those years? No. So your point is moot there. Can’t win a ring with awful rim protection.

Doesn’t really matter what two fans think because the consensus around the league is that he’s a terrible defender at the 5. All the numbers I posted suggest it as well and the lack of team success just adds more fire to the fuel.

Let me know if there’s any team that won a chip without a rim protector tho besides Jokic. Because no one can answer that which is my whole point.

[Knick4Real]

It's gonna be a good night!

[NYKnickerbocker]

We may never miss again

[The Vo Show]

That spot at the right wing is like the NBA Jam hotspots

[mpharris36]

we cookin

[TheGreenArrow]

What a start Knicks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brunson playing beautifully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[adjacent2bench]

We’re so lucky to have a Draymond type offensively like Josh Hart.

[YouthMovement]

i can get used to this.

[robillionaire]

This is why I don’t care about defensive arguments. You go down, you shoot a 3. This is basketball

[The KnicksFix]

We aren’t gonna miss a shot ever again
Im happy

[nyknicks09]

We are on fire

[Calinks]

Knicks with the haymaker out of the gate!

[Kidknick!]

Great start shooting. Bridges is mad goofy lmao.

[F N 11]

I’m in complete shock at how fast we gained chemistry.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Oh boy. Looking good out of the gate. Keep this pace and get the W!

[Tron Carter]

that’s how you start a quarter on the road