2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Can you BEALieve it

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good god this is basically a job fair.

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good god this is basically a job fair.

JJ coming out of the gates swinging to put the league on notice!

[BobbieL]

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good god this is basically a job fair.

JJ coming out of the gates swinging to put the league on notice!

Stanley Johnson does make some sense - I guess. Defense is pretty solid from what I understand. Shot 45% from the 3 point line last year with the Spurs but limited action. Career 30% shooter from the 3 point line. I guess if you can't get Crowder for the minimum or Okogie - he would probably take the minimum

Parker - not sure he makes sense,. He doesn't rebound or defend does he?

[Saberestar]

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I like the move, we are gonna give an opportunity to some guys to make the NBA again.

Jabari is pure talent but his injuries has been huge...it's a shame.

Stanley Johnson fights for a roster spot every year in the league. I like him as a third string SF.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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good god this is basically a job fair.

Teams do this all the time, they typically just don't mention it to the media.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Obviously we could use more playmakers/ passers to set the table for our big guns, etc. Therr should be a few solid options even from the vet min pool. One name that keeps popping for me is Ty Jerome. Although not an nba athlete or defender, he's absolutely a high IQ player, very good passer/ playmaker. And a 41% 3PT shooter too that's already somewhat familiar with our team/ franchise. He should be at/ near the top of our list for vet min calls. Also we might consider: ( other playmaking options)

- Dennis Schroder
** Although really unsure he'd accept a minimum deal??

- Dennis Smith Jr- great POA defender with elite athleticism and solid playmaking. Just not much of a 3PT shooter yet.

- Pat Bev
Still a starter level guard, solid defensively and 37% career 3 PT shooter. And would likely accept the minimum.

- Jacquori McLaughlin decent size and tenacity with advanced playmaking skills. High IQ, crafty scorer but still young and needing more experience.

- Sharife Cooper
The original point God predecessor for Paul. Absolutely elite passer, elite ballhandler with sneaky breakdown ability, crafty scorer, high IQ player with improving nba level athleticism. Has a fair amount of tenacity and moxy. Should be much higher on the list as a legit long term development piece consideration due to his elite passing ability and elite ballhandling. But he's still only 6'1. Ironically same size and skillset as Paul himself!

** AND IF scoring isn't a critical factor here in selective criteria, there's also
Always Elf Payton or maybe even Rajon Rondo who we could consider too ( 1 yr deals)??

[King4Day]

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[Saberestar]

Phoenix Suns are also bringing in veteran point guard Chasson Randle for the workout on Wednesday, sources say.

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The Jazz are gonna be really tough next year.

[Jdiddy701]

John Collins just traded for basically a salary dump. It makes you wonder if the Suns can even get anything for Ayton. Probably why the Suns are stuck with him going forward. That’s pretty crazy.


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[irish22022]

Obviously we could use more playmakers/ passers to set the table for our big guns, etc. Therr should be a few solid options even from the vet min pool. One name that keeps popping for me is Ty Jerome. Although not an nba athlete or defender, he's absolutely a high IQ player, very good passer/ playmaker. And a 41% 3PT shooter too that's already somewhat familiar with our team/ franchise. He should be at/ near the top of our list for vet min calls. Also we might consider: ( other playmaking options)

- Dennis Schroder
** Although really unsure he'd accept a minimum deal??

- Dennis Smith Jr- great POA defender with elite athleticism and solid playmaking. Just not much of a 3PT shooter yet.

- Pat Bev
Still a starter level guard, solid defensively and 37% career 3 PT shooter. And would likely accept the minimum.

- Jacquori McLaughlin decent size and tenacity with advanced playmaking skills. High IQ, crafty scorer but still young and needing more experience.

- Sharife Cooper
The original point God predecessor for Paul. Absolutely elite passer, elite ballhandler with sneaky breakdown ability, crafty scorer, high IQ player with improving nba level athleticism. Has a fair amount of tenacity and moxy. Should be much higher on the list as a legit long term development piece consideration due to his elite passing ability and elite ballhandling. But he's still only 6'1. Ironically same size and skillset as Paul himself!

** AND IF scoring isn't a critical factor here in selective criteria, there's also
Always Elf Payton or maybe even Rajon Rondo who we could consider too ( 1 yr deals)??

I actually kind of like Elf on a minimum deal. He's got good size. Never watched much of sharife cooper but you gush about him like he's a late second rounder borderline undrafted player so I'm torn

[Saberestar]

Another FA in that workout for the Suns...

Former Northern Illinois basketball star Eugene German will workout with the Phoenix Suns on June, 28th, per source. The former All-MAAC performer spent last season for the Qingdao Eagles in China, averaging 24 points, five rebounds and three assists.

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Eugene German
Chasson Randle
Jabari Parker
Stanley Johnson

[Fo-Real]

Obviously we could use more playmakers/ passers to set the table for our big guns, etc. Therr should be a few solid options even from the vet min pool. One name that keeps popping for me is Ty Jerome. Although not an nba athlete or defender, he's absolutely a high IQ player, very good passer/ playmaker. And a 41% 3PT shooter too that's already somewhat familiar with our team/ franchise. He should be at/ near the top of our list for vet min calls. Also we might consider: ( other playmaking options)

- Dennis Schroder
** Although really unsure he'd accept a minimum deal??

- Dennis Smith Jr- great POA defender with elite athleticism and solid playmaking. Just not much of a 3PT shooter yet.

- Pat Bev
Still a starter level guard, solid defensively and 37% career 3 PT shooter. And would likely accept the minimum.

- Jacquori McLaughlin decent size and tenacity with advanced playmaking skills. High IQ, crafty scorer but still young and needing more experience.

- Sharife Cooper
The original point God predecessor for Paul. Absolutely elite passer, elite ballhandler with sneaky breakdown ability, crafty scorer, high IQ player with improving nba level athleticism. Has a fair amount of tenacity and moxy. Should be much higher on the list as a legit long term development piece consideration due to his elite passing ability and elite ballhandling. But he's still only 6'1. Ironically same size and skillset as Paul himself!

** AND IF scoring isn't a critical factor here in selective criteria, there's also
Always Elf Payton or maybe even Rajon Rondo who we could consider too ( 1 yr deals)??

I actually kind of like Elf on a minimum deal. He's got good size. Never watched much of sharife cooper but you gush about him like he's a late second rounder borderline undrafted player so I'm torn

No more Elf bro.

[sunsfan1o1]

Makes sense to me. Tell Indy we want Haliburton for Ayton. Straight up.

They need to let Sunsfan1o1 talk to Ayton. He believes in the guy like they're related. Like that's his son or brother or whatever.

Not many know how to identify talent.
How many bigs in the history of the nba that could catch the ball in the short corner baseline fadeaway and cash almost every time. Bigs his size don’t even take those shots let alone make them.
That’s Ewing type of stuff.
Ayton does not miss many shots. He makes a lot more than he makes more times than not. I don’t care what you or your friends say, Ayton is elite.
You should be grateful we have a GM who won’t give him away to other teams trying to buy low and get one over on us.

Does Ayton have bad games? Of course. He’s a human. Every one has bad games.
Super efficient big with that much agility and strength.
Monty has you mind controlled. He got you believing Ayton isn’t a stud.
It’s so amazing to watch how people get subconsciously programmed. As much as you hate Monty but you still don’t realize how he altered your mind.

Buddy, the entire NBA market doesn't believe he's elite at anything and we know this based on lack of teams willing to sign him to a max offer sheet last offseason and now this season based on lack of assets proposed in trades to this point.

Also, just so you're aware he's has a career 59% field goal percentage, but that means he misses 41% of his shots. That doesn't constitute "does not miss many". In this year's playoffs alone 67% of those shots were from within 10 ft, so I'd hope to God he'd be hitting at above a 50% clip. When defenders were within 4ft of that range it's 50%.

When he was shooting anything beyond 10 ft and defenders were less than 2ft away he hit them at a 40% clip. When they were 2-4 ft away he hit 43%. Only thing elite at this point is your propaganda. He's a guy who reliably hits his open shots, but was a coin flip to even less than that when contested.

I also looked up his rebounding and it WAS largely DOMINAYTED by uncontested boards. 60% of the time he wasn't contested. 33% of the time it was 1 person. 6% of the time it was 2+. When contested within 0-3 feet he rebounded at a 46% clip. 3-6 feet 36%. 6-10 ft 39%. None of this is surprising for a player who's known to not give it his all.

Translation - dude didn't hit tough shots and isn't a grinder on the boards. He was an opportunist when not contested. Most of this is largely attributed to being a headcase, not his talent. I will now patiently wait for you to coach me up with more blame game regarding CP3.

You don’t know anything you’re a fan. You can only sign 1 offer sheet not multiple. You don’t know how many teams wanted to sign him but he chose Indy. You’re very narrow minded.

Again you’re not very knowledgeable. YOU NEED THE BALL TO SCORE
I know you didn’t just say he made 60% of his shots so that doesn’t mean he doesn’t miss many shots.
Are dumb or are you dumb. You’re literally looking for reasons to hate him. “On games played on the 3rd Tuesday of every other month he only got 67% of contested rebounds when the ball bounced off the left side of the rim after the 2nd half.
Get a life bro.
You’re lucky I’m even responding to you

[Ghost of Kleine]

Anyone else consider Moe Harkless, or KZ Okpala, or Yves Pons? All very solid non starter level defenders though. And of course there's also still Lance Stephenson who Might actually have something left in the tank although 32 yrs old?

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Not many know how to identify talent.
How many bigs in the history of the nba that could catch the ball in the short corner baseline fadeaway and cash almost every time. Bigs his size don’t even take those shots let alone make them.
That’s Ewing type of stuff.
Ayton does not miss many shots. He makes a lot more than he makes more times than not. I don’t care what you or your friends say, Ayton is elite.
You should be grateful we have a GM who won’t give him away to other teams trying to buy low and get one over on us.

Does Ayton have bad games? Of course. He’s a human. Every one has bad games.
Super efficient big with that much agility and strength.
Monty has you mind controlled. He got you believing Ayton isn’t a stud.
It’s so amazing to watch how people get subconsciously programmed. As much as you hate Monty but you still don’t realize how he altered your mind.

Buddy, the entire NBA market doesn't believe he's elite at anything and we know this based on lack of teams willing to sign him to a max offer sheet last offseason and now this season based on lack of assets proposed in trades to this point.

Also, just so you're aware he's has a career 59% field goal percentage, but that means he misses 41% of his shots. That doesn't constitute "does not miss many". In this year's playoffs alone 67% of those shots were from within 10 ft, so I'd hope to God he'd be hitting at above a 50% clip. When defenders were within 4ft of that range it's 50%.

When he was shooting anything beyond 10 ft and defenders were less than 2ft away he hit them at a 40% clip. When they were 2-4 ft away he hit 43%. Only thing elite at this point is your propaganda. He's a guy who reliably hits his open shots, but was a coin flip to even less than that when contested.

I also looked up his rebounding and it WAS largely DOMINAYTED by uncontested boards. 60% of the time he wasn't contested. 33% of the time it was 1 person. 6% of the time it was 2+. When contested within 0-3 feet he rebounded at a 46% clip. 3-6 feet 36%. 6-10 ft 39%. None of this is surprising for a player who's known to not give it his all.

Translation - dude didn't hit tough shots and isn't a grinder on the boards. He was an opportunist when not contested. Most of this is largely attributed to being a headcase, not his talent. I will now patiently wait for you to coach me up with more blame game regarding CP3.

You don’t know anything you’re a fan. You can only sign 1 offer sheet not multiple. You don’t know how many teams wanted to sign him but he chose Indy. You’re very narrow minded.

Again you’re not very knowledgeable. YOU NEED THE BALL TO SCORE
I know you didn’t just say he made 60% of his shots so that doesn’t mean he doesn’t miss many shots.
Are dumb or are you dumb.
You’re lucky I’m even responding to you

Hold on let me grab my notes for more of this absolutely stellar material you're pumping out .......

[sunsfan1o1]

Buddy, the entire NBA market doesn't believe he's elite at anything and we know this based on lack of teams willing to sign him to a max offer sheet last offseason and now this season based on lack of assets proposed in trades to this point.

Also, just so you're aware he's has a career 59% field goal percentage, but that means he misses 41% of his shots. That doesn't constitute "does not miss many". In this year's playoffs alone 67% of those shots were from within 10 ft, so I'd hope to God he'd be hitting at above a 50% clip. When defenders were within 4ft of that range it's 50%.

When he was shooting anything beyond 10 ft and defenders were less than 2ft away he hit them at a 40% clip. When they were 2-4 ft away he hit 43%. Only thing elite at this point is your propaganda. He's a guy who reliably hits his open shots, but was a coin flip to even less than that when contested.

I also looked up his rebounding and it WAS largely DOMINAYTED by uncontested boards. 60% of the time he wasn't contested. 33% of the time it was 1 person. 6% of the time it was 2+. When contested within 0-3 feet he rebounded at a 46% clip. 3-6 feet 36%. 6-10 ft 39%. None of this is surprising for a player who's known to not give it his all.

Translation - dude didn't hit tough shots and isn't a grinder on the boards. He was an opportunist when not contested. Most of this is largely attributed to being a headcase, not his talent. I will now patiently wait for you to coach me up with more blame game regarding CP3.

You don’t know anything you’re a fan. You can only sign 1 offer sheet not multiple. You don’t know how many teams wanted to sign him but he chose Indy. You’re very narrow minded.

Again you’re not very knowledgeable. YOU NEED THE BALL TO SCORE
I know you didn’t just say he made 60% of his shots so that doesn’t mean he doesn’t miss many shots.
Are dumb or are you dumb.
You’re lucky I’m even responding to you

Hold on let me grab my notes .......

For your narrow mind. How bout all those rebounds are uncontested because opponents know they won’t get the rebound over him so they rather get back on defense and guard Devin Booker.
Stick to what you know, nothing. Just enjoy the games kiddo

[BobbieL]

John Collins just traded for basically a salary dump. It makes you wonder if the Suns can even get anything for Ayton. Probably why the Suns are stuck with him going forward. That’s pretty crazy.


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Well the Hawks wanted to get below the luxury tax. My guess, this will be effective next week as the Jazz cannot take on the extra 20m today!

I doubt they would want Ayton still but you never know - Ayton might help more than Capela with Collins. Ayton for Bey and Capela still works

[enigmatics]

You don’t know anything you’re a fan. You can only sign 1 offer sheet not multiple. You don’t know how many teams wanted to sign him but he chose Indy. You’re very narrow minded.

Again you’re not very knowledgeable. YOU NEED THE BALL TO SCORE
I know you didn’t just say he made 60% of his shots so that doesn’t mean he doesn’t miss many shots.
Are dumb or are you dumb.
You’re lucky I’m even responding to you

Hold on let me grab my notes .......

For your narrow mind. How bout all those rebounds are uncontested because opponents know they won’t get the rebound over him so they rather get back on defense and guard Devin Booker.
Stick to what you know, nothing. Just enjoy the games kiddo

Slow down I'm still absorbing all this ......

Ayton is "elite", almost never misses, and other players are afraid of trying to battle the giant softee for a rebound. This is remarkable stuff. Keep going.

[dremill24]

Not many know how to identify talent.
How many bigs in the history of the nba that could catch the ball in the short corner baseline fadeaway and cash almost every time. Bigs his size don’t even take those shots let alone make them.
That’s Ewing type of stuff.
Ayton does not miss many shots. He makes a lot more than he makes more times than not. I don’t care what you or your friends say, Ayton is elite.
You should be grateful we have a GM who won’t give him away to other teams trying to buy low and get one over on us.

Does Ayton have bad games? Of course. He’s a human. Every one has bad games.
Super efficient big with that much agility and strength.
Monty has you mind controlled. He got you believing Ayton isn’t a stud.
It’s so amazing to watch how people get subconsciously programmed. As much as you hate Monty but you still don’t realize how he altered your mind.

Buddy, the entire NBA market doesn't believe he's elite at anything and we know this based on lack of teams willing to sign him to a max offer sheet last offseason and now this season based on lack of assets proposed in trades to this point.

Also, just so you're aware he's has a career 59% field goal percentage, but that means he misses 41% of his shots. That doesn't constitute "does not miss many". In this year's playoffs alone 67% of those shots were from within 10 ft, so I'd hope to God he'd be hitting at above a 50% clip. When defenders were within 4ft of that range it's 50%.

When he was shooting anything beyond 10 ft and defenders were less than 2ft away he hit them at a 40% clip. When they were 2-4 ft away he hit 43%. Only thing elite at this point is your propaganda. He's a guy who reliably hits his open shots, but was a coin flip to even less than that when contested.

I also looked up his rebounding and it WAS largely DOMINAYTED by uncontested boards. 60% of the time he wasn't contested. 33% of the time it was 1 person. 6% of the time it was 2+. When contested within 0-3 feet he rebounded at a 46% clip. 3-6 feet 36%. 6-10 ft 39%. None of this is surprising for a player who's known to not give it his all.

Translation - dude didn't hit tough shots and isn't a grinder on the boards. He was an opportunist when not contested. Most of this is largely attributed to being a headcase, not his talent. I will now patiently wait for you to coach me up with more blame game regarding CP3.

You don’t know anything you’re a fan. You can only sign 1 offer sheet not multiple. You don’t know how many teams wanted to sign him but he chose Indy. You’re very narrow minded.

Again you’re not very knowledgeable. YOU NEED THE BALL TO SCORE
I know you didn’t just say he made 60% of his shots so that doesn’t mean he doesn’t miss many shots.
Are dumb or are you dumb. You’re literally looking for reasons to hate him. “On games played on the 3rd Tuesday of every other month he only got 67% of contested rebounds when the ball bounced off the left side of the rim after the 2nd half.
Get a life bro.
You’re lucky I’m even responding to you

Can we ban this MFer?