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Post#2501 » by Crives » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:04 am

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Could you imagine if we could luck out into signing him for that whilst keeping Oubre too. We'd be stacked pretty nice for our starting 5. Perhaps we could even be a top 5-6 team with some modicum of luck and if we remain healthy. :D

Then we just need to win the lottery too and jump up from #10!!!!


Lol........I see what you did there. :wink:

I know that it's highly unlikely, And his on court value of course still puts him in the $18-25 million range. But then again, Dreaming is free right! :tooth


If we go another year without fans in stadiums, what does the cap look like? 90m, 85m? I am not sure that is a super unlikely scenario.
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Post#2503 » by Hesh » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:52 am

Hey all, just checking in as it's been a while!

I'm still here lurking, but current circumstances and the momentum towards the end of our last (or current?) has forced me to focus on my own career.

Hope everyone is staying safe and I'm looking forward to some actual basketball action from our guys at the end of this month.

Can't even stress how anxious I am to see Ayton again. Booker is Booker, but I have never been this excited about the team since that 2010 run.
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Post#2504 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:19 pm

Crives wrote:
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cberry78 wrote:Then we just need to win the lottery too and jump up from #10!!!!


Lol........I see what you did there. :wink:

I know that it's highly unlikely, And his on court value of course still puts him in the $18-25 million range. But then again, Dreaming is free right! :tooth


If we go another year without fans in stadiums, what does atheism cap look like? 90m, 85m? I am not sure that is a super unlikely scenario.


Very solid point man! :clap: Yes, It definitely will be very important to monitor/ consider cap implications. We may very well score 1 or perhaps even two really nice bargains on players due to cap restrictions as well as lack of overall competition in this summer's free agency market. Especially if most all teams ( aside from us) :wink: are choosing to pool their cap space for a much deeper 2021 free agency. And of course if we are looking to spend big this summer instead?
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Post#2505 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:28 pm

Hesh wrote:Hey all, just checking in as it's been a while!

I'm still here lurking, but current circumstances and the momentum towards the end of our last (or current?) has forced me to focus on my own career.

Hope everyone is staying safe and I'm looking forward to some actual basketball action from our guys at the end of this month.

Can't even stress how anxious I am to see Ayton again. Booker is Booker, but I have never been this excited about the team since that 2010 run.



Good to see you man! :-D Definitely going to be a rollercoaster ride this summer! But also agree that it's going to be awesome to see some suns games soon too! Anyways, Good to have you back :thumbsup:
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Post#2506 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:22 pm

If anyone's interested, Kelly Oubre just shared his Orlando bubble "Vibe" music mix. :wink:
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Post#2507 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:14 pm

Only one of our games in on national television, and a large percentage of overall games are nationally televised. A few of our games are on weekdays at like 1pm Phx time.
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Post#2508 » by Fo-Real » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:27 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Only one of our games in on national television, and a large percentage of overall games are nationally televised. A few of our games are on weekdays at like 1pm Phx time.


DVR it is then.
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Post#2509 » by LV-Suns » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:05 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Only one of our games in on national television, and a large percentage of overall games are nationally televised. A few of our games are on weekdays at like 1pm Phx time.

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Post#2510 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:30 am

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ3NjY4OTUucnNz/episode/NjdlMGI1MGEtYzNhMi0xMWVhLTg2YjUtMDdhMTFhOGNiMTIy?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwjs-uLc08bqAhUDCjQIHXgjBAcQieUEegQIAxAE&ep=6
Locked On Suns Podcast (@LockedOnPHXSuns) Tweeted:
On today's episode, @scooperhoops joins @esidery for a #Suns mock offseason exercise!

- Which players with options + QOs stay put?
- How much money to keep Baynes around?
- Will Oubre be on the move?
- Time for a big trade?
- Plus so much more!

LISTEN: https://t.co/d07aXawnuG https://t.co/iWOrJl0Lnk
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LOC'D ON SUNS PODCAST has just released their Phoenix suns 2020 MOCK offseason. They definitely covered many good and important topics too. :wink:
Locked On Suns Podcast (@LockedOnPHXSuns) Tweeted:
Who put together the better #Suns mock offseason???

@esidery: re-sign Baynes + Saric & Carter; S&T sending Oubre for Gallinari (3-72); Jordan Clarkson (2-15); Thabo Sefolosha (vet min)

@scooperhoops: re-sign Baynes + Kaminsky & Carter; Jerami Grant (3-42); Alec Burks (1-4) https://t.co/DhQnnH6OXz
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On today's episode, Sam Cooper is back as he joins Evan for our first Suns mock offseason exercise! What ends up happening as they both put on the GM hats for Phoenix?
- Who should the Suns keep around?
- With team options and restricted tags on the table, there's a few decisions to make. Dario Saric or Frank Kaminsky for the backup power forward spot?
- Will Jevon Carter or Elie Okobo stick around? - How about re-signing Aron Baynes, and at what price tag?
- Will Kelly Oubre Jr. be on the move this offseason to improve the overall roster balance?
- Evan proposes a HUGE deal that could be a win-win for both sides, but especially Phoenix. - Then, we dive into our mock offseason completely revealing our free agency signings and other moves made along the way.
- How improved will the Suns roster look by the end of this? This was a very fun episode, Suns fans, so make sure to gobble up all of this great offseason information before it officially begins in a few months!
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Post#2511 » by cberry78 » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:48 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ3NjY4OTUucnNz/episode/NjdlMGI1MGEtYzNhMi0xMWVhLTg2YjUtMDdhMTFhOGNiMTIy?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwjs-uLc08bqAhUDCjQIHXgjBAcQieUEegQIAxAE&ep=6

LOC'D ON SUNS PODCAST has just released their Phoenix suns 2020 MOCK offseason. They definitely covered many good and important topics too. :wink:
Locked On Suns Podcast (@LockedOnPHXSuns) Tweeted:
Who put together the better #Suns mock offseason???

@esidery: re-sign Baynes + Saric & Carter; S&T sending Oubre for Gallinari (3-72); Jordan Clarkson (2-15); Thabo Sefolosha (vet min)

@scooperhoops: re-sign Baynes + Kaminsky & Carter; Jerami Grant (3-42); Alec Burks (1-4) https://t.co/DhQnnH6OXz
Read on Twitter
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On today's episode, Sam Cooper is back as he joins Evan for our first Suns mock offseason exercise! What ends up happening as they both put on the GM hats for Phoenix?
- Who should the Suns keep around?
- With team options and restricted tags on the table, there's a few decisions to make. Dario Saric or Frank Kaminsky for the backup power forward spot?
- Will Jevon Carter or Elie Okobo stick around? - How about re-signing Aron Baynes, and at what price tag?
- Will Kelly Oubre Jr. be on the move this offseason to improve the overall roster balance?
- Evan proposes a HUGE deal that could be a win-win for both sides, but especially Phoenix. - Then, we dive into our mock offseason completely revealing our free agency signings and other moves made along the way.
- How improved will the Suns roster look by the end of this? This was a very fun episode, Suns fans, so make sure to gobble up all of this great offseason information before it officially begins in a few months!

Gallo at 24/yr? No thanks, I love him, and think he'd be great on the Suns, but NOT at that price, and especially not at that price AND giving up Oubre, regardless of the mixed bag-o'-crap that comes back.

The other offseason sucks too.

What's our cap situation looking like next year anyway?
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Post#2512 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:53 am

cberry78 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdWRpb2Jvb20uY29tL2NoYW5uZWxzLzQ3NjY4OTUucnNz/episode/NjdlMGI1MGEtYzNhMi0xMWVhLTg2YjUtMDdhMTFhOGNiMTIy?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwjs-uLc08bqAhUDCjQIHXgjBAcQieUEegQIAxAE&ep=6

LOC'D ON SUNS PODCAST has just released their Phoenix suns 2020 MOCK offseason. They definitely covered many good and important topics too. :wink:
Locked On Suns Podcast (@LockedOnPHXSuns) Tweeted:
Who put together the better #Suns mock offseason???

@esidery: re-sign Baynes + Saric & Carter; S&T sending Oubre for Gallinari (3-72); Jordan Clarkson (2-15); Thabo Sefolosha (vet min)

@scooperhoops: re-sign Baynes + Kaminsky & Carter; Jerami Grant (3-42); Alec Burks (1-4) https://t.co/DhQnnH6OXz
Read on Twitter
?s=20


On today's episode, Sam Cooper is back as he joins Evan for our first Suns mock offseason exercise! What ends up happening as they both put on the GM hats for Phoenix?
- Who should the Suns keep around?
- With team options and restricted tags on the table, there's a few decisions to make. Dario Saric or Frank Kaminsky for the backup power forward spot?
- Will Jevon Carter or Elie Okobo stick around? - How about re-signing Aron Baynes, and at what price tag?
- Will Kelly Oubre Jr. be on the move this offseason to improve the overall roster balance?
- Evan proposes a HUGE deal that could be a win-win for both sides, but especially Phoenix. - Then, we dive into our mock offseason completely revealing our free agency signings and other moves made along the way.
- How improved will the Suns roster look by the end of this? This was a very fun episode, Suns fans, so make sure to gobble up all of this great offseason information before it officially begins in a few months!

Gallo at 24/yr? No thanks, I love him, and think he'd be great on the Suns, but NOT at that price, and especially not at that price AND giving up Oubre, regardless of the mixed bag-o'-crap that comes back.

The other offseason sucks too.

What's our cap situation looking like next year anyway?


Agreed on Gallinari. I don't want him for anything over 20 million If possible. But he'd definitely be a big get for us, With his friendship with Booker, Aside from his complimentary skillset that he'd bring. As far as Oubre, It really should depend upon whether or not we can feasibly expect to resign him without risks to our long term cap flexibility,
As well as the kind of package/ assets that would be coming back IF he should in fact be traded. I actually kind of like Sam Coopers' offseason proposal of signing Jerami Grant, As I personally think that he'd offer us great defensive versatility, And would be a lower cost to us contractually throughout our critical core extensions as well. Also, Adding Alec Burks isn't that bad of an idea either, Whenst considering our need for a potent bench ( 6th man) scorer. However, I would for my part, maybe switch out Alec Burks with Bryn Forbes or Glenn Robinson 3rd. Also, A very solid consideration would be to sign Bertrans, Or trade for Bjelica( A rich man's Saric) for somewhat cheap if possible. Then look to add defense at the backup 3 ( behind Oubre) with either Tyler Bey or even Paul Reed perhaps? **( I see reed as a versatile defensive playmaker with range from the 3-5. So in that, He could offer great defensive positional switchability, that would/ could compliment Oubres' offensive skillset really nicely. Same with Tyler Bey honestly.

But in the Bertrans scenario, Oubre would play as a small ball 4. Bertrans at the 3, and Bridges at the 2 *( whenst we utilize " Point Book" But could be highly interchangeable together on the court. The point is that there are actually so many possibilities for us to consider with respect to the offseason. As for their projected cap space in 2021, It's difficult to say accurately what with the cap reductions, the cryptic plans of the front office, As well as the undisclosed plans for the roster, And contractual obligations. However,
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/cap/2021/

Sportrac has indicated that the suns should have something in the area of 15 million with Oubre on the books, And that figure likely doubles to around 30 million or so with him being an unrestricted free agent. So the issue may quite likely become that IF Oubre commands somewhere in the area of 20 million in 2021 free agency, Would it really be prudent or reasonable to resign him for that amount with Ayton very likely due a MAX EXTENSION that same summer? And then you still have Bridges extension due the following summer too. What happens IF he should have a breakout season that drives up his market value by a large margin? Do we then risk losing Ayton or Bridges in restricted free agency, Due to tight cap restrictions resulting from having to potentially overpay Oubre in order to bring him back.

I'd think that these are strong considerations for our front office, And that they'll be closely monitoring the development of BOTH Bridges and Cam during this 8 game span. Especially IF they can show the ability to offer similar production to that of Oubre for a significantly lower cost. Again with consideration to our looming core extensions. But I guess it all depends upon what Oubres' percieved market value turns out to be ? :dontknow:
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Post#2513 » by darmani » Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:03 am

cberry78 wrote:What's our cap situation looking like next year anyway?

It's hard to say with the 2021 salary cap up in the air. It think the last projection is set at the same number as this year which is $109,140,000.

1.Booker 29,467,800
2. Rubio 17,000,000
3. Oubre 14,375,000
4. Ayton 10,018,200
5. Bridges 4,359,000
6. Johnson 4,235,160
7. Jerome 2,303,040
8. Lecque 1,517,981
9. Pick #10 4,473,720
10. incomplete roster charge 946,543
11. incomplete roster charge 946,543
12. incomplete roster charge 946,543

Guaranteed + cap holds for our draft pick and incomplete roster charges = 90,589,530
Max cap space: 18,550,470
Biggest contract we can offer someone: four-year $78.6M

Team options and non-guaranteed:
Kaminsky 5,005,350
Payne 1,977,011
Diallo 1,824,003
Okobo 1,663,861

Cap holds for our free agents, if we want to keep them:
Saric 10,445,958 (qualifying offer - 5,087,871)
Baynes 10,361,232
Carter 1,937,273 (qualifying offer - 1,922,425)
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Post#2514 » by Saberestar » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:27 am

darmani wrote:
cberry78 wrote:What's our cap situation looking like next year anyway?

It's hard to say with the 2021 salary cap up in the air. It think the last projection is set at the same number as this year which is $109,140,000.

1.Booker 29,467,800
2. Rubio 17,000,000
3. Oubre 14,375,000
4. Ayton 10,018,200
5. Bridges 4,359,000
6. Johnson 4,235,160
7. Jerome 2,303,040
8. Lecque 1,517,981
9. Pick #10 4,473,720
10. incomplete roster charge 946,543
11. incomplete roster charge 946,543
12. incomplete roster charge 946,543

Guaranteed + cap holds for our draft pick and incomplete roster charges = 90,589,530
Max cap space: 18,550,470
Biggest contract we can offer someone: four-year $78.6M

Team options and non-guaranteed:
Kaminsky 5,005,350
Payne 1,977,011
Diallo 1,824,003
Okobo 1,663,861

Cap holds for our free agents, if we want to keep them:
Saric 10,445,958 (qualifying offer - 5,087,871)
Baynes 10,361,232
Carter 1,937,273 (qualifying offer - 1,922,425)


So...can we offer to Saric his qualifying offer ($5M) and then sign a player for around $13M per year?

And AFTER that sign Baynes with our full mid-level exception ($9M) and Carter as a two-year minimun contract (or similar)?

If that's possible we can add to our core a pretty good player via FA.
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Post#2515 » by Fo-Real » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:02 pm

3 Suns in the top 15 for their position for 2019-2020. Book at 5th best guard, Ayton at 7th for C and Oubre at 12. That is something to be ok with.
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Post#2518 » by Weemsickew14 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:12 pm

I am hoping to see Dario and Frank put in a good performance in Orlando. Been hearing Dario is in great shape so that is good and it will be nice to see Frank back after the long injury. This offseason, I am thinking we bring everyone back and add Bogdan (Kings) to be our super 6th man/2nd perimeter option to play with Booker. In the draft we take the best pg or pf available.

Rubio/Carter
Booker/Bogdan
Mikal/Cam
Oubre/Dario/Frank
Ayton/Baynes

Simple off-season, but can see this team performing very well.
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Post#2519 » by Saberestar » Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:56 pm

Weemsickew14 wrote:I am hoping to see Dario and Frank put in a good performance in Orlando. Been hearing Dario is in great shape so that is good and it will be nice to see Frank back after the long injury. This offseason, I am thinking we bring everyone back and add Bogdan (Kings) to be our super 6th man/2nd perimeter option to play with Booker. In the draft we take the best pg or pf available.

Rubio/Carter
Booker/Bogdan
Mikal/Cam
Oubre/Dario/Frank
Ayton/Baynes

Simple off-season, but can see this team performing very well.

Bogdan Bogdanovic is a RFA. Do you think that we can offer him a contract that the Kings wouldn't match?

I can't see it.
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Post#2520 » by PharmD » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:59 pm

Any proposals to trade Oubre or Bridges will be instantly vetoed by me. I'll be very sad if Oubre is traded and furious if Mikal is. Mikal grew from somebody i knew nothing about to my 2nd favorite player in the league (MILES behind Ricky still) over the course of last season.

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