Broussard: Wade/Bosh to Miami

anorexorcism · Post #261 » by **anorexorcism** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:56 pm

DJhitek wrote:the biggest mistake was made 3 years ago when we signed Deng instead of Gordon.

This quote needs to be stickied and posted at the top of this board.

Bulls1983 · Post #262 » by **Bulls1983** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:56 pm

Is it me or Chicago´s FO smells like mold? Everything seems so old around there...

Red Larrivee · Post #263 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:56 pm

captvict wrote:Fans should blame management...the most important presentation for the franchise and all they can do is

...bring up Michael Jordan

....lay down the rules for LeBron and his management

cmon...I would have said...Lebron we want you here more then anything....you see that statue of Michael out there...we will tear it down tomrrow if you sign..this is now your house...Michael is the past you are the future...

but no....good old Michale had to be thrown in the dudes face...horrible marketing

Management did nothing wrong.

umfan83 · Post #264 » by **umfan83** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:57 pm

The only place management screwed up was making the Hinrich trade without real assurances that we were gonna be able to get a top fa with the cap space. Don't say it's good because we got rid of hinrichs contract. First of all it would be a pretty valuable expiring after this season and second of all were likely going to waste the cap space on a contract just as bad or worse.

biggestbullsfan · Post #265 » by **biggestbullsfan** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:57 pm

dougthonus wrote:
Yeah, it may be time to re-evaluate this thing as a priority in my life if we get no one (and I mean no one, which has a fair chance of happening right now). I'm privileged I got to see the Jordan years from '88 - '98, and I stuck it out for another 12 years after that, but there comes a time and point where it stops being worth it and you start to become a masochist. I'm starting to sympathize with Cubs fans.

Why get so emotionally involved?

I love watching the Bulls, I enjoy the team, I've enjoyed many of the players they've had. I wish the team was better, I wish it had superstars, I wish it could win another title, but the lack of those things don't need to make it a miserable experience.

Is there any other area of your life _anywhere_ where you would consider a lack of ultimate achievement to be a failure?
If your children were not the #1 athletes or #1 scholars would you view them as failures?
Do you view yourself a failure because you are not the #1 person in the world at your profession?
Do you view your wife or any other family members as failures for the same reasons?
Do you find yourself absolutely miserable for basically being a member of the masses?

You don't have to watch the team and have your happiness and enjoyment riding on the outcome. You can just enjoy it for what it is.

Doug seriously, way too soon to take the optimistic "she isnt the prettiest girl at the dance but she is the best for you" appraoch.

I cant stomach Lebron to the Knicks...

The Force. · Post #266 » by **The Force.** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:58 pm

umfan83 wrote:The only place management screwed up was making the Hinrich trade without real assurances that we were gonna be able to get a top fa with the cap space. Don't say it's good because we got rid of hinrichs contract. First of all it would be a pretty valuable expiring after this season and second of all were likely going to waste the cap space on a contract just as bad or worse.

And if we kept Hinrich, people would be saying we struck out because we didn't clear enough cap space. It's a double-edge sword.

deputy · Post #267 » by **deputy** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:58 pm

How many of you think the Bulls FO is actually still sleeping and oblivious to this news?

(it's a joke, relax lol)

heirdog · Post #268 » by **heirdog** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:58 pm

dougthonus wrote:
bulletbill wrote:The Bulls had great opportunity but so far they EFF'd up. From the beginning, I was saying the Bulls should lock in on Bosh, the diva, and treat him as a #1 like the big 2 FAs. This would either pull Wade back home, or break up CB/Wade having the same agent.

Now the Bulls gave up their mid 1st + money TO CLEAR Kirk's salary. Looking at how much Gay got signed for, Deng actually has positive value. To move Deng for another pick, we take back a bad contract making less (i.e. Garcia). Now we have 3 picks + JJ, Taj to give TOR for a Bosh S&T, which there's no way they pass up on. We sign Bosh, and he gets his 6 years. This forces WADE & LBJ to make their move. Who blinks 1st & runs to CHI? Who goes to NY? Will LBJ stay in CLE? Because there is no way LBJ would team with direct comp. for the league's best when wade already has 1 ring up on him. Bulls would have been in the drivers seat...

Now we have to get Lee/Boozer and pray that LBJ approves and joins us. But a sick feeling I get is we would have known that info by now....

Before FA started, everyone thought Bosh to Miami was a lock.

Bosh went to Miami.

Why do people think management screwed up?

I think Lebron is more critical of the Bulls lacking shooters (that has been leaked from his camp already). That is why we were considering Joe Johnson from the outset. With LBJ and Derrick, you have two slashing players that others can feed off of. Deng with his midrange game is a nice complement to Lebron. Derrick is also working on his 3 to work off of Lebron. Lebron already has range when he works off derrick. If we look at the Dynasty Bulls, it was Jordan and Pippen, shooters all around (Pax, Armstrong, Hodges, Kerr, Buecheler, Kukoc), a hardworking, rebounding PF (Grant, Rodman) and a 3 headed monster. Noah and Gibson can give you the rebounding advantage along with Asik as a defensive presence. We get LeBron with Rose and surround them with Mike Miller, Reddick, Deng and have Gibson, Asik and Noah as the defense/rebounding.

marcuz · Post #269 » by **marcuz** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:58 pm

wow, knicks fan here guys...Can I remind you that you still have a **** load of cap room and rose / noah? you dudes are acting like you have chris duhon starting at point and no draft picks or cap space... Lebron is staying in cleveland. Why would he go on national TV and take a sh*t on his hometown by signing somewhere else?

you guys won the lottery a couple of years ago when you really shouldn't have and you got EASILY the best available player...suicidal right now if you got beasley.

thedarkstark · Post #270 » by **thedarkstark** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:59 pm

umfan83 wrote:The only place management screwed up was making the Hinrich trade without real assurances that we were gonna be able to get a top fa with the cap space. Don't say it's good because we got rid of hinrichs contract. First of all it would be a pretty valuable expiring after this season and second of all were likely going to waste the cap space on a contract just as bad or worse.

WOW Kirk Hinrich is a nobody, getting rid of him has no effect on the win-loss column.

I say that as a person who really likes Hinrich, he isn't that good and trading him wasn't a bad move regardless of if we strike out or not.

panthermark · Post #271 » by **panthermark** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:59 pm

umfan83 wrote:The only place management screwed up was making the Hinrich trade without real assurances that we were gonna be able to get a top fa with the cap space. Don't say it's good because we got rid of hinrichs contract. First of all it would be a pretty valuable expiring after this season and second of all were likely going to waste the cap space on a contract just as bad or worse.

+1000000
That was my big gripe with the trade....

I'm hoping we land LBJ and Lee/Boozer.....but I doubt that will happen and I will be furious that we dumped Kirk and the #17 for nada...

Red Larrivee · Post #272 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:59 pm

umfan83 wrote:The only place management screwed up was making the Hinrich trade without real assurances that we were gonna be able to get a top fa with the cap space. Don't say it's good because we got rid of hinrichs contract. First of all it would be a pretty valuable expiring after this season and second of all were likely going to waste the cap space on a contract just as bad or worse.

Yeah, trading a guy with an 11.6 PER who's making 9 million next season was a bad idea. I'll take cap space over an aging combo-guard.

gocubs2118 · Post #273 » by **gocubs2118** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:59 pm

umfan83 wrote:The only place management screwed up was making the Hinrich trade without real assurances that we were gonna be able to get a top fa with the cap space. Don't say it's good because we got rid of hinrichs contract. First of all it would be a pretty valuable expiring after this season and second of all were likely going to waste the cap space on a contract just as bad or worse.

Hinrich needed to go anyway.

aguifs · Post #274 » by **aguifs** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:59 pm

It's all up to you Derrick Rose! God bless you!

Ralphb07 · Post #275 » by **Ralphb07** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:59 pm

umfan83 wrote:The only place management screwed up was making the Hinrich trade without real assurances that we were gonna be able to get a top fa with the cap space. Don't say it's good because we got rid of hinrichs contract. First of all it would be a pretty valuable expiring after this season and second of all were likely going to waste the cap space on a contract just as bad or worse.

I'd still do the Hinrich deal. It saved us money to add depth and we still have a chance to land a solid SG this summer.

AAU Teammate · Post #276 » by **AAU Teammate** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:59 pm

If we win a title it'd be a Pistons type team (from 00s)

Not impossible. We also have no idea how much better Derrick can become.

Post #277 » by **dougthonus** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:59 pm

lu9 wrote:That's the Doug we all know and love.. always level-headed. Question Doug. If you will, please entertain me. Who can we grab off someone ele's books at this point that would be better than boozer/lee?

Carmelo (pipe dream ?)
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Okafor, Jefferson, Iguodala? Carmelo would be the #1 choice, but it's hard to see Denver trading him since they just said they wouldn't. Martin + Carmelo for cap room would save Denver a crapton of money and give us a Melo/Rose core you could really build around.

Bulls1983 · Post #278 » by **Bulls1983** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 12:59 pm

deputy wrote:How many of you think the Bulls FO is actually still sleeping and oblivious to this news?

(it's a joke, relax lol)

I was with you, until i saw it was a joke. lol

The Force. · Post #279 » by **The Force.** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 1:00 pm

lol @ mike & mike feeding the "Bron to NY" hype machine. those dudes are so corny...

MissileMike · Post #280 » by **MissileMike** » Wed Jul 7, 2010 1:00 pm

thedarkstark wrote:
umfan83 wrote:The only place management screwed up was making the Hinrich trade without real assurances that we were gonna be able to get a top fa with the cap space. Don't say it's good because we got rid of hinrichs contract. First of all it would be a pretty valuable expiring after this season and second of all were likely going to waste the cap space on a contract just as bad or worse.

WOW Kirk Hinrich is a nobody, getting rid of him has no effect on the win-loss column.

I say that as a person who really likes Hinrich, he isn't that good and trading him wasn't a bad move regardless of if we strike out or not.

I think people are more upset about the draft pick than they are about Kirk.