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Re: Blazers post game analysis 

Post#261 » by panthermark » Tue Nov 2, 2010 3:59 pm

kyrv wrote:So his value didn't go through the floor then?

Not sure what you are saying here. You wouldn't trade the Charlotte pick for him - nor would I, nothing to do with last night's game.

Are you suggesting the Bulls would base their scouting not on two years plus but rather one game which was a whistle fest?

As an aside, I find it annoying when opposing players can only go to the right and the defender lets them go to the right.

Being that that are/were two teams in the Rudy "race"...coming up snake eyes against one of those teams is not a good thing. Let me put it like this. While one game does not change much....IF...Rudy would have went off inthe 2nd half and knocked down 5 three pointers...so you could bet the Rudy talk would be loud as heck today.
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Re: Blazers post game analysis 

Post#262 » by kyrv » Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:04 pm

panthermark wrote:Being that that are/were two teams in the Rudy "race"...coming up snake eyes against one of those teams is not a good thing. Let me put it like this. While one game does not change much....IF...Rudy would have went off inthe 2nd half and knocked down 5 three pointers...so you could bet the Rudy talk would be loud as heck today.


Oh so you just mean made up perceived value by fans, not the actual trade value of NBA teams?

That I won't disagree with, if that's what you mean.

And I'm not suggesting a bad game would endear him to Chicago, but had he gone 4 for 5 three's I don't think the Bulls are fighting over the phone to offer the Charlotte pick.
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Re: Blazers post game analysis 

Post#263 » by panthermark » Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:09 pm

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panthermark wrote:Being that that are/were two teams in the Rudy "race"...coming up snake eyes against one of those teams is not a good thing. Let me put it like this. While one game does not change much....IF...Rudy would have went off inthe 2nd half and knocked down 5 three pointers...so you could bet the Rudy talk would be loud as heck today.


Oh so you just mean made up perceived value by fans, not the actual trade value of NBA teams?

That I won't disagree with, if that's what you mean.

And I'm not suggesting a bad game would endear him to Chicago, but had he gone 4 for 5 three's I don't think the Bulls are fighting over the phone to offer the Charlotte pick.

Correct...
I don't think the "Bulls" would be swayed much either way...
I think Chicago fans would be going crazy and we would have 7 different "Get Rudy" threads...
However....and this is just my opinion.... I do think that Portland is a little disappointed in the poor showing. That was a golden opportunity for them to rub Rudy in our faces.... But instead, he looked like a guy that can only drive right, and could not get to the rim so save his life.
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Re: Blazers post game analysis 

Post#264 » by DuckIII » Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:40 pm

Tetlak wrote:Is it too early to promote Pip's girlfriend as our good luck charm? 2-0 with her at the UC.


Its his wife. They've been married for a long time (13 years) and have a mess of kids. He chose wisely.

Edit: 2 of his 3 kids are with her.
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Post#265 » by anorexorcism » Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:44 pm

It's really cool to see Scottie getting in the act now with his new title. The vibe in the place must be sick, and it lends an air of legitimacy to the proceedings.

I'm glad Reinsdorf was able to mend the bridges with MJ/Pip/Phil. As we get more of these recognition ceremonies it should be overwhelmingly clear how canniving Krause was for poisoning Reinsdorf against the 3 most valuable members in his organization's history all because of his ego problems.
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Re: Blazers post game analysis 

Post#266 » by KingoftheCastle » Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:48 pm

So other than mascot, what are Scotties duties?
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Re: Blazers post game analysis 

Post#267 » by panthermark » Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:49 pm

anorexorcism wrote:It's really cool to see Scottie getting in the act now with his new title. The vibe in the place must be sick, and it lends an air of legitimacy to the proceedings.

I'm glad Reinsdorf was able to mend the bridges with MJ/Pip/Phil. As we get more of these recognition ceremonies it should be overwhelmingly clear how canniving Krause was for poisoning Reinsdorf against the 3 most valuable members in his organization's history all because of his ego problems.


Agreed...
It is nice to see Pip (and his wife) always around.....

When and where is Pip's statue going?
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Re: Blazers post game analysis 

Post#268 » by kyrv » Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:50 pm

panthermark wrote:
kyrv wrote:
panthermark wrote:Being that that are/were two teams in the Rudy "race"...coming up snake eyes against one of those teams is not a good thing. Let me put it like this. While one game does not change much....IF...Rudy would have went off inthe 2nd half and knocked down 5 three pointers...so you could bet the Rudy talk would be loud as heck today.


Oh so you just mean made up perceived value by fans, not the actual trade value of NBA teams?

That I won't disagree with, if that's what you mean.

And I'm not suggesting a bad game would endear him to Chicago, but had he gone 4 for 5 three's I don't think the Bulls are fighting over the phone to offer the Charlotte pick.

Correct...
I don't think the "Bulls" would be swayed much either way...
I think Chicago fans would be going crazy and we would have 7 different "Get Rudy" threads...
However....and this is just my opinion.... I do think that Portland is a little disappointed in the poor showing. That was a golden opportunity for them to rub Rudy in our faces.... But instead, he looked like a guy that can only drive right, and could not get to the rim so save his life.


He seems pretty limited. And he's not shooting well (so far, it's early). Portland may have overplayed their hand and maybe Rudy is or will soon just be counting the days for Europe.

I'd certainly rather just play Korver at SG and keep any picks at this point.

I was thinking, well sooner or later some of the those 3's will go in, but they never did. :o

That one offensive foul was bogus, Watson tripped a bit, seemed like a non-call, but man that game was whistle fest. No continuity. Kind of bad to watch. :(

Random aside, Taj looked really really bad on defense and rebounding, they were saying on the Score that Noah's feet are fine but Taj still has issues. If so maybe he can rest or something when Boozer comes back. He looked really bad at times.
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Re: Blazers post game analysis 

Post#269 » by Godzilla039 » Tue Nov 2, 2010 4:56 pm

Is it too early to start a coach Thibs appreciation thread? Man I love the way this dude has coached so far. Aside from this team noticeably being better on defense, the new offense he's installed has already lead to Deng with a career high in points and Rose tying his career high in assists just three games into the season.

The part I like the most is that you can hear him on the sideline damn near every possession instructing guys on what they need to do. Also, I'd like to give him props on rewarding JJ and Asik with PT after their great contributions the previous game. After seeing the first two substitutions in last night's game, I was like :o

We finally got 48 minutes of intensity from these guys and it was beautiful to watch.
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Post#270 » by KingoftheCastle » Tue Nov 2, 2010 5:14 pm

The Blazers board was discussing this very thing, how Thibs basically out coached McMillian. I know they have a game today, but I can't believe he pulled his starters last night, when they had the lead down to 9. They really had taken momentum from the Bulls for the first time all game and could have got it down to 5 or so. Then it's anyones game.
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Re: Blazers post game analysis 

Post#271 » by spaceheat » Tue Nov 2, 2010 5:21 pm

Godzilla039 wrote:Is it too early to start a coach Thibs appreciation thread? Man I love the way this dude has coached so far. Aside from this team noticeably being better on defense, the new offense he's installed has already lead to Deng with a career high in points and Rose tying his career high in assists just three games into the season.

The part I like the most is that you can hear him on the sideline damn near every possession instructing guys on what they need to do. Also, I'd like to give him props on rewarding JJ and Asik with PT after their great contributions the previous game. After seeing the first two substitutions in last night's game, I was like :o

We finally got 48 minutes of intensity from these guys and it was beautiful to watch.


I also thought Thibbs did the right thing by giving JJ and Asik more PT... It was great to see! Can't wait to see this team in a month from now.

On a side note... Chicago Sports Radio is pathetic this morning. The day after an awesome win by the Bulls, all these people can talk about is Randy Freakin Moss. Who the hell cares?
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Re: Blazers post game analysis 

Post#272 » by SimonFish » Tue Nov 2, 2010 5:32 pm

Kudos to Thibs to keep either one of Rose or Noah (or both) during ANY time of the game. When either one of them is playing, the team would not be falling behind (or, falls behind with a large gap).

One of the little things though, is that Thibs should never put Scalabrine against Aldridge who has a good night. Basically, when Taj is in foul trouble and Noah is resting, your PF choice would be down to either Scalabrine or Thomas. In yesterday game my choice would definitely would be Kurt who can play better defense.

As for individual players:

Deng: Monster game, enough said.

Rose: Pretty good in the first three quarters, however commit a couple of stupid TOs in the fourth. Shouldn't really be happening. Overall, still a good game.

Noah: Love his hustle. Can't really believe he only manage to get 10 rebounds though. I suppose Asik helped him a lot.

Taj: In foul trouble again. In the three games he averaged 5 fouls per game in 24 minutes. Not really a cool thing. Pretty nice in hitting his jumpers though.

Bogans: Good defense on Roy, doing the little things as always.

Korver: He's a special case. In offense he runs off screens and hitting shots, but it is kind of obvious that when he's on the court, our defense is suffering a bit and our lead had been pulled down to single digit during the two times he's brought on. Hope Thibs' system will make up on that.

Brewer: Pretty cool to see him making a jumpshot and that layup. Cool defense on Roy as well. Probably his best game on a Bulls shirt.

Asik: Good game by him. Rebounds, blocks, defense. That's what we want from him. Hopefully he can also pull himself out of foul trouble as season progress.

JJ: Defense is also good, made a couple of silly fouls, but overall decent game.

Watson: Do a few cool things, but it really doesn't seem like he's a good passer or ball handler.

Scalabrine: His defense on Aldridge sucks. Other that making a jumper I can't think of him doing anything.

Overall, good game. Shots are falling, but IDK how many times we'll manage to score 60%.
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Post#273 » by Jo Jo English » Tue Nov 2, 2010 6:05 pm

My thoughts after watching last night's game...

- Very happy with the strides Rose has made so far this season. He has shown the willingness to take the team's offense (nearly entirely) on his back during those games when he needs to for us to stay competitive, but he has also now shown (after last night's game) that he is more than happy to distribute the ball, feed the hot hand, and run the offense as well. Some may mistakenly label last night's performance as "passive", but they would be wrong. Derrick has really grown amazingly as a player over the past two years.

- While I did expect Omer Asik to come around and be a contributor eventually, I have to admit that he is progressing for more quickly than anticipated. I love how active he looks defensively. He's one of those guys who always seems to be at the right place, at the right time. In other words he just has one of those good feels for the game, naturally. For a big man he seems to be very mobile and have solid body control. He has been blocking a good number of shots and altering others. I also love the effort in attempting to draw charges. Once he develops a bit of a rep with league officials as a defender, he will get a few more of those calls. I can't wait to see what his game looks like 2-3 years down the road after he has added some more upper body strength and starts to finish a little better around the rim.

- It has been mentioned in this thread, and I have felt this way since his return in preseason, but Ronnie Brewer needs to rest until healthy. I suppose playing him spot minutes here and there when the team needs an extra body to toss out on the court is fine, but it is obvious that he isn't healthy. Unfortunately Brewer is one of those guys whose strengths as a player rely almost exclusively on his athleticism. Get healthy Ronnie.

- HomoSapien has been preaching for the past few days (at least) that we really need to acquire another ball handler, that teams are going to begin to press and trap Rose and that could lead to some costly turnovers. We pretty much saw that during last night's game against the Blazers. C.J. Watson, for as valuable as he could be offensively off of the bench some nights, doesn't resemble much of a point guard. A veteran backup PG could be a very useful addition to this team.

- JoNo has been sensational this season. Still I hope Boozer returns ASAP so we can cut back a bit on his minutes played. Coming off of his foot problems last season I would like to be cautious with Noah this year. Not necessarily limit him, just watch it closely, and be prepared to give him adequate rest if his feet begin to give him trouble.

- After two games it was obviously far too early to begin jumping all over Deng and pretending that you could extract those statistics and predict what sort of year he was going to have. Sure Luol isn't a guy who is typically going to go for 40, but he isn't a guy who is going to shoot as poorly as he did against the Thunder and Pistons routinely either. Luol will be fine, and he could fit very well next to a healthy Carlos Boozer.

- Nice to see Korver step up and hit a few shots last night. He seemed to be moving better without the ball on a couple of those plays when he came off of screens to free himself up. I had been concerned about his foot, but if last night is an accurate indicator he may be feeling better and ready to contribute a bit more. Obviously a healthy Korver providing outside shooting is an invaluable addition to this team.

- I've been impressed with Taj on the offensive end, but I would really like to see him start to hit the boards a bit more actively.
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Re: Blazers post game analysis 

Post#274 » by kyrv » Tue Nov 2, 2010 6:08 pm

^ I agree Simon. Rose had I think 3 straight turnovers in the 4th, that was nasty. Not sure why Portland didn't do more of double teaming him, make someone else handle it (or have Rose turn it over like he did those 3 times).

Watson - I'm a little concerned about him, I was hoping he would be a combo guard but he seems like more of a tweener. Still think he's okay but for future I think the team can use a more traditional PG to make sure players get their looks when Rose isn't in the game.

Several of JJ's fouls came after bad defense from teammates, bailing them out so to speak. Two of them at least. But that wasn't all of them, and was a crazy whistle game, hard to judge fouls based on that game.
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Post#275 » by panthermark » Tue Nov 2, 2010 6:10 pm

Watson "is" a bit of a concern.
He is looking more like an undersized SG than a PG or even a combo guard.

Not good....

Still hoping Brewer can dribble....
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Post#276 » by Blue Note » Tue Nov 2, 2010 7:16 pm

KingoftheCastle wrote:The Blazers board was discussing this very thing, how Thibs basically out coached McMillian. I know they have a game today, but I can't believe he pulled his starters last night, when they had the lead down to 9. They really had taken momentum from the Bulls for the first time all game and could have got it down to 5 or so. Then it's anyones game.


I'm pretty sure the Blazers' bench was responsible for cutting the lead to 9. Regardless, McMillan did have some bizarre lineups out there at the end of the game.
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Post#277 » by BIGGIEsmalls 23 » Tue Nov 2, 2010 7:17 pm

Good game by the Bulls.

I am glad Deng let his N*** hang last night. Good job, Luol. We could use that type of aggression from him more often. Not a big fan of Deng but if he does well, the Bulls do well. That's what matters most to me.

D-Rose played a good game as well. Those 4th quarter turnovers by him are not a concern to me because his teammates need to move & come towards him when he's getting trapped. Coach Thibs will clean that stuff up.

Like I said after the Detroit game; JJ is still a work in progress, but worth our patience.

Brewer & Korver are slowly becoming healthy.

Noah had another Double-Double. I believe Noah & Rose were a lil drained from carrying us those first two games.

Considering ESPN just reported that the Knicks/Magic game has been canceled for tonight, NY's bigs caught a breather from not having to bang with Dwight Howard.
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Post#278 » by coldfish » Tue Nov 2, 2010 7:17 pm

Following up with the Rose comments: I would categorize Rose's first half against OKC and the first 3 quarters against Portland as awesome. I knock Rose for not being PG. Its even in my sig. However, that's somewhat of a misnomer based on people being predeceived about the value of a pure point guard. I think very highly of Rose and I view the ability to either take over yourself or distribute as an elite talent that very few in the NBA have ever had.
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Post#279 » by Godzilla039 » Tue Nov 2, 2010 7:19 pm

The most impressive thing about Deng's 40 ball was that we weren't even running plays for him. Kover made a comment after the game about how spectacular Deng was because most of his success came within the offense.
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Post#280 » by kyrv » Tue Nov 2, 2010 7:20 pm

coldfish wrote:Following up with the Rose comments: I would categorize Rose's first half against OKC and the first 3 quarters against Portland as awesome. I knock Rose for not being PG. Its even in my sig. However, that's somewhat of a misnomer based on people being predeceived about the value of a pure point guard. I think very highly of Rose and I view the ability to either take over yourself or distribute as an elite talent that very few in the NBA have ever had.


His fourth quarter passing was horrible, I think it was the OKC game, and the three straight trips last night. Maybe he's tired, but rather than make up a reason, I'll just say it was really bad and scary.

As much as his shooting against OKC, the bad and lazy passes bothered me a lot more (though I appear to be in the minority there).
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