Trade Idea Thread II

[Cracka2Hi]

I think that's a good trade Ned! I think they would no doubt ask for Bledsoe in that deal tho. We may be able to get them to take Gomes with that being the case. I love Mo and what he is doing but Crawford is basically the same player only taller and probably more of a chucker, adding Felton would be a bonus. I'd still start Foye if we made that trade and look to find a 3rd team to dish Felton to and add another PG. If we were able to keep Bledsoe we wouldn't really need Felton, not that there isn't a great chance he catches fire fighting for a new contract like you say. I just think there are enough teams that need a PG that there may be a better guy out there in a 3 or 4 way trade than Felton!

[Angel strike1]

we just need somethng bad

[apet8945]

here in state of oregon, the blazers are in desperate need of a PG. here is what i propose...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=87o6bj7

we lose Mo, but shed cookie ( gomes here also works, but figure the blazers would want an expiring... and really, who wants gomer?) while we gain much needed starting caliber SG in crawford and the player blazerfans want gone the most in felton (expiring at 7.5) who can use a change of scenery? Yes Mo is very valuable to us, but in return to gain a starting SG and a replacement, and an expiring PG who maybe motivated to score for his new contract off the bench, can jumpstart this wayward clipper ship.

CP3---Felton----Bledsoe
Jamal-Foye-----Bledsoe
Caron-Simmons-Gomes
Blake-Kmart---Thompkins
DJ-----Evans

and leslie at bakersfield.

i think it's entirely possible to replace Mo's numbers with Felton and Foye together coming off the bench, and simmons and Evans can each provide with defense and rebounding. with Kmart as primary low post and PnR partner with our backup guards he can help out on bench scoring as well. I'm sure Jamal will be gone at the FA, but i do believe Chauncey will be back next year so not much worries there.
but what we gain in this trade allows to have a real threat at SG to upgrade our starting 5, while have the bench output pretty close to now.

i still believe our best shot at the championship is next year, but this trade still gives us a solid path to more than just a decent success, this year.

What about trading a trade exception for Kurt Thomas? Does Kurt still play for them, or did his minutes go down as a result of signing Pryzbilla?

Portland can use it to ship out Crawford or Felton and we get a big guy with a lot of experience and is money with his mid range jump shot. He can give us some offense much like Kenyon can and if we pair those two up with Chris Paul or Mo, our second unit can do some damage. They've been playing well lately, but I don't think it would hurt to add another big guy who can score.

Blake could also use some rest so he wont get so fatigued at the end of games.

[Cracka2Hi]

Thomas would be a nice pickup even if he has nothing left. I can see him being better than Evans and even K-Tard in certain situations. If Portland really wants Bledsoe maybe we can get them to take Gomes and include Thomas. Bledsoe + Gomes for Crawford + Thomas. Then trade a TPE and maybe a couple #2's for Miles or Bell.

C DJ/Evans/Thomas
PF Blake/Martin
SF Butler/Miles/Simmons
SG Foye/Crawford
PG CP3/Williams

I think we could make up for a lot of what we lost with Chauncey if we made these moves. I don't think Crawford is a good fit, but he is another guy that can score and who knows maybe he averages 20 a game effiecently with Chris Paul...playing for a big contract. Miles or Bell could take a lot of Butler's minutes. Another capable player could surely add production at the 3. Thomas just adds veteran leadership and maybe pushes K-Tard and Reggie to keep their damn mouths shut so he doesn't replace their asses. I don't feel good about giving up Bledsoe but I almost think we have to, to avoid disaster this year. We have to convince Paul and Blake to stay and I'm not sure we can sit on Bledsoe.

[og15]

Interestingly enough, I think moving forward, the best solution is to trade Mo Williams in the shuffle. The reason being that one of Mo's biggest issues was not getting to close out games. If one get's a proper SG, and Caron isn't sucking, the players at the 1,2,3 at the end of the game will be Paul-SG-Caron. It's also not the greatest thing to be consistently undersized in the closing minutes of games.

If there was a means of getting something like Lopez (Phoenix) and Crawford (Portland) with Mo Williams going out, I wouldn't be too against that.

EDIT: Forgot that Aaron Brooks was still on Phoenix

[clippermitch]

Felton is on the last year of his deal and they don't need him even if Nash left because they still own the rights to Aaron Brooks.

I do agree with you that trading Mo might be the way to go but I doubt that will happen.

Best thing I can see is TPE for a solid role player like Shannon Brown, Delfino, Livingston, etc.

I just hope we add depth and scoring punch off the bench.

[og15]

I totally forgot about Aaron Brooks being on Phoenix, wow, well then scratch all that

[Cracka2Hi]

Do Leslie and Thompkins have any value and if so would move them? What if we could move Foye and Leslie for Crawford? Gomes and Thompkins for Bell and Tinsley?

[larry14r]

Do Leslie and Thompkins have any value and if so would move them? What if we could move Foye and Leslie for Crawford? Gomes and Thompkins for Bell and Tinsley?

CrackakaHi I'll be careful who you trade because it might come and hanut the Clippers. For example Bledsoe becomes a starting PG in Portland while the lose both Crawford and Mo to free agency. think about that.

[Cracka2Hi]

I've thought about it, I posted many times that I wouldn't just give Bledsoe away. I wouldn't even trade him for Crawford for him unless they took Gomes. There are plenty of guys I would risk trading Bledsoe for(Mayo, Morrow, Young ect), but mostly guys I would want back with the team next season. I would only trade Bledsoe for a rental if it was someone very good or if someone took Gomes back. If we trade Bledsoe and Gomes for Crawford we'd have $13 million in cap space if Crawford and Williams opt out. Good problem to have!

[adiedanny]

I dont think we will have any luck in getting allen but if we did i would be so crazy happy. I have a trade idea that benefits us but at the same time hurts us bit. What do you guys think about trading Gomes, Bledsoe and cook to washington for blatche, mcgee and young? dont try to work in the trade machine because it will not work but mcgee and young fit right into both our trade exceptions. we come up much better in this trade but take on blatche's salary that reports indicate washingtons will trade players as long as blatche is included in the trade.

[Det the Threat]

I dont think we will have any luck in getting allen but if we did i would be so crazy happy. I have a trade idea that benefits us but at the same time hurts us bit. What do you guys think about trading Gomes, Bledsoe and cook to washington for blatche, mcgee and young? dont try to work in the trade machine because it will not work but mcgee and young fit right into both our trade exceptions. we come up much better in this trade but take on blatche's salary that reports indicate washingtons will trade players as long as blatche is included in the trade.

What would you think about us trading DJ, Caron and Bledsoe for Rashard Lewis, Trevor Booker and Jordan Crawford?

That's pretty much what you're asking the Wizards to do here and they sureley wouldn't be OK with that.

I know that Blatche's been on the trade block and that they'd love to get rid of him, but they certainly wouldn't include McGee(who's as good as DJ, but also able to hit some free throws, making him an option at the end of close games) and Nick Young for that kind of package.


To me, the most realistic trades this deadline for us are the ones using our TPE and maybe a 2nd rounder for a guy like Raja Bell, DeShawn Stevenson, Carlos Delfino, Mike Dunleavy, Marco Bellinelli or maybe even Tracy McGrady.
Those ain't sexy, but at least possible, with us hardly having anything of value to offer while also not being interested to take on longterm contracts.

If those ain't happening, then we'll most likely wait and see who gets cut/bought out to try and add one or even two of those guys.

[clippermitch]

I agree with you Det. We won't get a star or future star but I hope we get a solid rotational player or maybe a quality starting SG. Now that I think about it, we need a more consistent Foye. Foye can shoot and defend but is very inconsistent. Having another "Foye" type player would solidify our SG spot.

The problem with acquiring another backcourt player is that Bledsoe will never see the court. He barely sees it now with VDN rotating CP/Foye/Mo. So maybe we need a tall SG/SF that can relieve Caron.

I wish we would have given Gerald Green a look. And I'm not saying this now after seeing with the nets. I've been saying it all along even before we got Simmons. Green was playing with the Defenders so surely our scouting team saw him play. Now it looks like NJ will sign him for the rest of the year.

[adiedanny]

I dont think we will have any luck in getting allen but if we did i would be so crazy happy. I have a trade idea that benefits us but at the same time hurts us bit. What do you guys think about trading Gomes, Bledsoe and cook to washington for blatche, mcgee and young? dont try to work in the trade machine because it will not work but mcgee and young fit right into both our trade exceptions. we come up much better in this trade but take on blatche's salary that reports indicate washingtons will trade players as long as blatche is included in the trade.

What would you think about us trading DJ, Caron and Bledsoe for Rashard Lewis, Trevor Booker and Jordan Crawford?

That's pretty much what you're asking the Wizards to do here and they sureley wouldn't be OK with that.

I know that Blatche's been on the trade block and that they'd love to get rid of him, but they certainly wouldn't include McGee(who's as good as DJ, but also able to hit some free throws, making him an option at the end of close games) and Nick Young for that kind of package.


To me, the most realistic trades this deadline for us are the ones using our TPE and maybe a 2nd rounder for a guy like Raja Bell, DeShawn Stevenson, Carlos Delfino, Mike Dunleavy, Marco Bellinelli or maybe even Tracy McGrady.
Those ain't sexy, but at least possible, with us hardly having anything of value to offer while also not being interested to take on longterm contracts.

If those ain't happening, then we'll most likely wait and see who gets cut/bought out to try and add one or even two of those guys.

I know it does seem very one sided but reports do indicate that the wizards are open to trading McGee if batches is included. The kicker here th
ough is the fact it will reunite wall with Bledsoe whom both have shown an extreme success playing together. The deal will have Bledsoe for much cheaper than young. Especially since he hits free agency after the end of the season along with McGee. The wizards may not figure on signing both the players long term especially if they sign a huge contract as a free agents. But regarding your suggestions I would love any of the players you listed.

[jgustav1]

To me, the most realistic trades this deadline for us are the ones using our TPE and maybe a 2nd rounder for a guy like Raja Bell, DeShawn Stevenson, Carlos Delfino, Mike Dunleavy, Marco Bellinelli or maybe even Tracy McGrady.
Those ain't sexy, but at least possible, with us hardly having anything of value to offer while also not being interested to take on longterm contracts.

If those ain't happening, then we'll most likely wait and see who gets cut/bought out to try and add one or even two of those guys.

I'd give up a 2nd and TPE for Delfino, McGrady or possibly Dunleavy but the others on the list aren't either significant upgrades to Foye (Stevenson, Belinelli) or have an additional year on their contract like Bell that may not be worth picking up. McGrady has played pretty well for the Hawks and at veteran minimum contract, don't see them moving him.

[Rafael122]

Wiz fan here, Young + 2013 Dallas 2nd round pick for Bledsoe and Gomes? Young would be an UFA this offseason, he can score but he doesn't pass. At all. Plays solid D, not great, but solid.

[og15]

Young is not a bad option, and on thing that is encouraging is that he has been a fairly average to above average defender for a little while now. I'm under the assumption that Olshey could probably think "why can't we just wait till the off-season to pursue Young and then use Bledsoe to improve in other areas", and therefore won't make a move.

As it is right now, the Clippers should make the playoffs, and have the ability to make the 2nd round, does Young push them further than that? If the answer is no, I suppose the decision would be to wait to acquire him.

Getting rid of Gomes is quite exciting for any GM though

"We're willing to do anything we can to move needle this year," Olshey said. "But unless it's piece for the future that also gives us to win a championship this year, we're not going to give up our longterm flexibility and assets to do that."

The price for the top shooting guards being mentioned in trade talks this spring -- Boston's Ray Allen, Portland's Jamal Crawford and Washington's Nick Young -- has so far been too high for the Clippers.

Most teams have asked for some combination of young point guard Eric Bledsoe, a future first-round pick and the expiring contracts of Randy Foye or Brian Cook.

Although Bledsoe has seen limited action this year due to injury (knee) and playing behind Chris Paul, Billups and Mo Williams, his value around the league is high with so many teams looking for young point guards and the dearth of them in the upcoming draft.

It's for that reason the Clippers fought so hard to exclude Bledsoe from the trade with the New Orleans Hornets that brought Paul to Los Angeles back in December. He's also an important insurance policy for the Clippers should Williams opt-out of the final year of his contract this summer.

Clippers still looking for the right move

[Rafael122]

I think your GM is asking a lot when he says move the needle. Any move, unless they bring in a guy like Allen won't win the Clippers a championship and I'm not suggesting Shuttlesworth is the missing piece either, you guys lack bigs(outsider's perspective).

Young is instant offense though. And the Wizards probably wouldn't ask for a pick back anyway, a young player and an expiring would work just as well.

[Cracka2Hi]

I like the organizations thinking. og is right, there really isnt a move out there I can think of that really even helps our situation this year. We are probably going out in the first or second round no matter what. There just isn't a good move to be made. I personally would trade Bledsoe and Gomes for Young but I doubt Washington would and like og mentioned, why wouldn't we just wait to pursue him in the offseaon?

The only viable option see that both teams might be interested is Raja Bell for a TPE. Utah gets out of Bell's contract next season and doesn't really need him. I'm not sure I would even do this, if Mo opts out and we amnesty Gomes we've got a lot of cap room next year and I'm not sure Bell is worth giving up any of that.

On the flip side, I keep reading comments about how someone "is not an upgrade"...we don't really need an upgrade from Foye. We need another player period. We must find another warm body that can throw the ball in the hoop here and there. Our biggest need is becoming SF over SG anyway. Butler is the guy who has seemingly forgot how to play and just about anyone would be an upgrade over him lately.

[og15]

I think your GM is asking a lot when he says move the needle. Any move, unless they bring in a guy like Allen won't win the Clippers a championship and I'm not suggesting Shuttlesworth is the missing piece either, you guys lack bigs(outsider's perspective).

Young is instant offense though. And the Wizards probably wouldn't ask for a pick back anyway, a young player and an expiring would work just as well.

You're right, and I think that's exactly his point, that none of the trade options will make the team a championship team, so the better option is to keep assets, continue to have flexibility and see what can be done in the off-season. I think one big thing is that all these trade rumored SG's are gong to be unrestricted FA's, so what's the hurry? Panicky GM's make hurry moves like that, and so far Olshey has seemed to be a cool headed guy that sees the big picture.