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Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:09 am
by Im Coming Home
TheMan44 wrote:Gambo620 John Gambadoro: (
http://twitter.com/#!/Gambo620)
"Good chance NY drafted Shumpert to land Steve Nash at some pt. Shumpert does not fit into D'Antoni's system. Defensive PG who can't shoot."
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What u think Knick fellas? You want Nash? I think Iman Shumpert is a Suns pick cause Suns wanted him badly. Nash/Warrick (14 million) -for- Billups/Fields/Shumpert (15 million)
No. No. No. No. No. Please NO. I want defense dammit.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:15 am
by TrueWarrior
TheMan44 wrote:Gambo620 John Gambadoro: (
http://twitter.com/#!/Gambo620)
"Good chance NY drafted Shumpert to land Steve Nash at some pt. Shumpert does not fit into D'Antoni's system. Defensive PG who can't shoot."
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What u think Knick fellas? You want Nash? I think Iman Shumpert is a Suns pick cause Suns wanted him badly. Nash/Warrick (14 million) -for- Billups/Fields/Shumpert (15 million)
Not happenin. We dont give a crap about Dantoni anymore, and we've been linked to Shumpert for a minute. He can guard/play 3 positions, so hes not pigeonholed as a "PG who cant shoot". We will keep him thank you very much, but good lookin out. If we're going to trade him and Fields for somebody, its def not a 38 year old. Try CP3
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Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:17 am
by ibraheim718
NYK Dolemite wrote:don32979 wrote:Carmelo's tweet was so lame. Way to show support. Amare on the other hand showed why this is his team. Shumpert looks like he has good form on his shot. Let's give him a chance. Every year there is a guy that no one expects to become anything special. Then you look back and say wow that was a steal. Maybe we'll get lucky and Shumpert will be that guy.
Carmelo says people need to STFU and stop bitching about things they take out of context on Twitter:
(read from bottom up)
carmeloanthony Carmelo Anthony
Y'all will flip anything
4 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
carmeloanthony Carmelo Anthony
U people are insane. Lol
4 hours ago
carmeloanthony Carmelo Anthony
I said that bc I was waiting for us to pick so I can go back to doin what I was doin
4 hours ago
carmeloanthony Carmelo Anthony
Hopefully we have a training camp
4 hours ago
carmeloanthony Carmelo Anthony
My man Iman. look forward to working wit u. Hope I can be a great teacher to u.
4 hours ago
carmeloanthony Carmelo Anthony
Goodnight. I'm out.
4 hours ago
Sick of Knicks fans that like nothing better than a chance to dog their own.
there are going to be a portion of knicks fans that we always resent melo.... point blank.
He wanted his friend to be picked and he wanted to show support to him went the knicks passed on him... big deal.
Calling him a douche also was uncalled for.
His a Knick.. face it already people. Accept it....
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:17 am
by vinnie_vegas69
blueNorange wrote:i'm gonna throw an interesting comparison ... a motivated larry hughes
Man, that's a spot on comparison.
Shumpert's probably a better athlete but a bit less of a natural b'ball player, but at his best, Larry Hughes put up 22/6/5 without ever being a knock-down 3pt shooter. He also led the league in steals one year.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:32 am
by OakFlagrant2
I have Faith in Iman, since that is what his name means. Reminds me of Spree size/skillset a little, remember spree couldnt shoot that well coming into the leauge. And he'll be my favorite Knick if he chokes the sh*t out of Asstoni.
All things considered a good pick considering the sixers took our man right before us.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:36 am
by StutterStep
HesGotLength wrote:As for Brooks and Donatas, they need the ball in their hand to be effective. The Knicks have enough scorers already.
I think Shumpert simply provided the best combination of skill and need for the Knicks.
Not really! Brooks is not as bad a defender as the pundits are passing him to be. He was his team's primary scorer but he's more than capable of taking a backseat to our two main guys.
We really don't have enough scorers. That's one of the mistakes people make when evaluating this roster. Once Felton/Chandler/Gallo left, only Melo proved to be a consistent scorer next to Amare. All the other players were up/down.
We needed a SG to come in here and steady our offense by being a third consistent scorer. That's why we were sweating Jimmer/Klay! Only reason we didn't pick Brooks was because he was a senior or some dumb mess like that.
Plus, let's not discount Shumpert is rep'ed by Amare's agent!
I like the pick but we didn't get the appropriate value.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:59 am
by FutureKnicksGM
Manhattan Project wrote:I'll just make one post regarding this and root for him since he is a Knick now.
Iman can't really run the point, I can never see him as a full time starter. When people talk about his potential they mean if he can develop into that point guard because of his measurements and agility. He is atheltic but I think people fall in love with him because he is a tall point guard. Playing off the ball this year he didn't fair any better than when he did have the ball in his hands, I do believe he needs the ball in his hands to be effective. The team needed for him to score this year and IMO he really didn't deliver all that much evident by the results. Where as you have other late bloomers around college who really stepped up, Iman didn't. His offense for the most part is almost non existent IMO, most of his points will come from attacking the rim and in transition. At the end of the day he is a combo guard who can't run the point nor shoot it really.
On defense is where he can really shine, with his athleticism and size. We will play him at the two guard probably thus kind of negating the advantages he has at point. We will play him with Douglas probably with Douglas guarding the ones and Iman the two's. All of a sudden we are taking Iman and forcing him to become a two really, sort of like what people wanted to do with Malcolm Lee. At 17 there where a handful of guys that could have impacted us either offensively, defensively or on the boards. Iman IMO was a complete reach and a pick we will look back upon as a bad pick.
IMO Iman will be a nice guy off the bench, but ultimately not a starter for us. Not going thesis on this pick.
This.
But Welcome to the knicks Shump.
How about a Ronnie Brewer as a comparison? A good defender off the bench for us.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:00 am
by TrueWarrior
StutterStep wrote:HesGotLength wrote:As for Brooks and Donatas, they need the ball in their hand to be effective. The Knicks have enough scorers already.
I think Shumpert simply provided the best combination of skill and need for the Knicks.
Not really! Brooks is not as bad a defender as the pundits are passing him to be. He was his team's primary scorer but he's more than capable of taking a backseat to our two main guys.
We really don't have enough scorers. That's one of the mistakes people make when evaluating this roster. Once Felton/Chandler/Gallo left, only Melo proved to be a consistent scorer next to Amare. All the other players were up/down.
We needed a SG to come in here and steady our offense by being a third consistent scorer. That's why we were sweating Jimmer/Klay! Only reason we didn't pick Brooks was because he was a senior or some dumb mess like that.
Plus, let's not discount Shumpert is rep'ed by Amare's agent!
I like the pick but we didn't get the appropriate value.
We were sweating Jimmer and Klay because they could shoot the seams off the ball.
Brooks slipped to 25, so how is that better value? There were alot of rumblings Shumpert was getting serious looks by Phoenix (either at 13 or with another pick), Minnesota at 20, Denver at 22, etc. He was rising fast. Dont think we reached much.
chadfordinsider Chad Ford
I'm stunned by meteoric rise of Iman Shumpert. He's getting looks as high as 13 to Suns. Knicks (17), Wolves (20) & Nuggets (22) in mix
20 Jun
Brooks might not be as bad on defense as people say, but there isnt exactly much to judge him on since he played alot of zone. Hes also very skinny and weak (only benched 5 times) so thats not helping him on defense either. Think Jamal Crawford.
Brooks would have been an okay choice if we wanted a pure scorer/6th man off the bench, but its not like hes the shooter we needed and we dont know how effective hed be as a 3rd/4th option off the ball. At least with Shumpert we know hes going to give us top flight defense no matter what.. I hope
. Shumpert is on another level as an athlete, who can match up with the best in the game on D. We cant say the same for Brooks, who might not even fit in well offensively. They were both risks.
Overall I think Shumpert will prove to be the better pick for us. We'll see though.
He has to get that shot of his right first and foremost.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:15 am
by StutterStep
Defense -- Rebounds and Blocks
Offense -- FG% and PPS
Look at Marshon's growth from last year. People want to only focus on the minutes without realizing his efficiency went up matched by his percentages.
No big deal though -- I think Iman's growth is going to come but he's not going to be an efficient player. Our best bet is to uptempo and pressure on the ball because that's the type of defense he and TD will excel in, not the locked down man defense some are envisioning.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:17 am
by Jose7
TD-Shumpert defensive backcourt with a defensive assistant infused into the coaching staff.
*jacks off*
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:21 am
by TrueWarrior
StutterStep wrote:Defense -- Rebounds and Blocks
Offense -- FG% and PPS
Look at Marshon's growth from last year. People want to only focus on the minutes without realizing his efficiency went up matched by his percentages.
No big deal though -- I think Iman's growth is going to come but he's not going to be an efficient player. Our best bet is to uptempo and pressure on the ball because that's the type of defense he and TD will excel in, not the locked down man defense some are envisioning.
Klay Thompson averaged .9 bpg, so I wouldnt say Marshon's 1.2 in more minutes means much. As a rebounder he is solid (7), but Shumpert is no slouch himself (6).
Neither are the shooters of Klay/Jimmer. So thats moot. I think both can improve their shooting though, and by all reports theyve been better in workouts.
Shump/Brooks were 1A and 1B on my board in the end, but it is refreshing we went with the more proven defender for once. Maybe our direction is changing finally.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:42 am
by top25
I see he likes to dunk lol
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:10 am
by DocZaius
Jose7© wrote:TD-Shumpert defensive backcourt with a defensive assistant infused into the coaching staff.
*jacks off*
and a stagnant offense....
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:19 am
by gavran
DocZaius wrote:Jose7© wrote:TD-Shumpert defensive backcourt with a defensive assistant infused into the coaching staff.
*jacks off*
and a stagnant offense....
Which was the case from the moment Dolan traded for Anthony.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:20 am
by can o peas
ok well gotta say I didn't really like the pick initially, but of course after the first stage of shock/disappointment, comes the acceptance and now the hyping up point lol. anyway I did say SG might be a need after C, so at least it wasn't another SF/PF.
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fast forward to about the minute mark:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWt8M3Yi ... page#t=53sI do kind of find it funny that he looks like a junior version of Amare and even has the same agent.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:35 am
by TrueWarrior
Ha I made the Iman/Amare resemblance comparison like a month ago. It was painfully obvious as soon as I looked at the dude. Freaky almost
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BTW does the Shumpert pick remind anyone else of the Wilson Chandler one? Both super strong athletic beasts who are kind of under the radar picks and need to get better skill wise a little bit. If he can progess like Wilson did wed be lookin very nice.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:56 am
by MSG
This dude is going to be good and help us a lot - BOOK IT
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:27 pm
by Rasho Brezec
So, what do people view Shumpert as? PG or SG?
I think he's going to be a playmaking SG, similar to Igoudala.
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:48 pm
by nykballa2k4
StoudeMelo wrote:some of you guys never learn....probably the same people who were bitching and moaning at the Landry Fields pick last year....give the kid a chance to play before you call him a bad pick geez...remember when Rajon Rondo fell because he had no jumpshot? yeah...
that's actually how i am getting thru this. I am telling myself we drafted a westbrook/rondo. Delusional can be good sometimes!
if Shumpert proves to be a good athlete, like an exciting player with versatility... remember what we were saying about that 6'7'' pg. Shumpert might be the secret to getting Paul
Re: Welcome to the Knicks Iman Shumpert
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:13 pm
by NYman15
I said it earlier but I like the pick. The guy is extremely athletic, great defender that can guard multiple positions, and has the ability to get better at shooting as he seems to have good mechanics and can work with Mike on that. I love the idea of him coming off the bench with TD and adding a spark especially on D and watch them cause havoc.