Josh Smith and Monta Ellis got screwed! (again...)

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The whole Harden over Monta debate some guy was having before, just wanted to point out that it's clear that he's never played basketball before.

If you play with 2 other premiere players, the opponents #1,2 gameplan is NOT to stop you.

Harden is a 6th man, who puts up good efficient numbers, playing with STARS.

The last time Harden was the #1 guy, and defenses keyed on him was in college, and how did that pan out? Possibly the worst showcase from a top 5 pick in the tournament that year.

People amaze me sometimes, when they can't use basic logic. Take off your glasses put your thinking hat on, and pretend like you play basketball.

Back to Tony and Nash over Ellis.

Tony started heating up late, without Manu I was expecting allot more out of him, but it just didn't feel like when I was watching him that he was doing what he usually does, is pretty much dominate games like he did last year with Manu out..

And Nash well he got picked even though he was on a bad team... That's what irks me the most, Ellis lost Curry for nearly a month, and lost Brown and managed the Warriors better then he has in the past... Taking less shots, making the extra pass.. Etc. He tied the most points scored this season by a player on good shooting against the best team in the conference...he's posted huge assists numbers, he's taken major leaps from the past years as being a point, and dude still doesn't get any love.

Nash is having a great shooting year, on a bad team, he's leading the league in assists, but i feel like if your gonna pick someone on a bad team, might as well give it to the guy who's done work on a nightly basis playing 40+ min for 75+ games for 3 straight seasons... That takes a toll on someone's body and seriously changes the way people look at him.

They think, snap he's playing 40 a night he should be posting up huge numbers.. Like its 2k and fatigue doesn't kick in... He's the #1 option (which he shouldn't be), coaches game plan to stop him, and he manages to find ways to keep it up.

I guess coaches haves tendencies to pick guys who have already been there... And will only pick a new guy if the team is doing GREAT.

22 pts on 43 pct with 4 turnovers a game is not all star caliber, sorry. maybe if he was a great defender. he was much better the 2 years previous to this year

[Blame Rasho]

You are right... the Spurs don't deserve that their best player with (comparable stats if not better stats vs Ellis) to be on the allstar team, esp when they are on a 7 game winning streak and 2nd best in the west conference. Nope... The lotto bound Warriors and their mega star needs to be on the allstar team. Monta Ellis is an allstar one if there ever was one, that is what you want to hear... fine. It is stupid, but that is your logic...

[Rapcity_11]

The whole Harden over Monta debate some guy was having before, just wanted to point out that it's clear that he's never played basketball before.

If you play with 2 other premiere players, the opponents #1,2 gameplan is NOT to stop you.

Harden is a 6th man, who puts up good efficient numbers, playing with STARS.

The last time Harden was the #1 guy, and defenses keyed on him was in college, and how did that pan out? Possibly the worst showcase from a top 5 pick in the tournament that year.

People amaze me sometimes, when they can't use basic logic. Take off your glasses put your thinking hat on, and pretend like you play basketball.

Back to Tony and Nash over Ellis.

Tony started heating up late, without Manu I was expecting allot more out of him, but it just didn't feel like when I was watching him that he was doing what he usually does, is pretty much dominate games like he did last year with Manu out..

And Nash well he got picked even though he was on a bad team... That's what irks me the most, Ellis lost Curry for nearly a month, and lost Brown and managed the Warriors better then he has in the past... Taking less shots, making the extra pass.. Etc. He tied the most points scored this season by a player on good shooting against the best team in the conference...he's posted huge assists numbers, he's taken major leaps from the past years as being a point, and dude still doesn't get any love.

Nash is having a great shooting year, on a bad team, he's leading the league in assists, but i feel like if your gonna pick someone on a bad team, might as well give it to the guy who's done work on a nightly basis playing 40+ min for 75+ games for 3 straight seasons... That takes a toll on someone's body and seriously changes the way people look at him.

They think, snap he's playing 40 a night he should be posting up huge numbers.. Like its 2k and fatigue doesn't kick in... He's the #1 option (which he shouldn't be), coaches game plan to stop him, and he manages to find ways to keep it up.

I guess coaches haves tendencies to pick guys who have already been there... And will only pick a new guy if the team is doing GREAT.

Warriors fans should really stop embarrassing themselves. It's tough to read.

[BROWN]

You are right... the Spurs don't deserve that their best player with (comparable stats if not better stats vs Ellis) to be on the allstar team, esp when they are on a 7 game winning streak and 2nd best in the west conference. Nope... The lotto bound Warriors and their mega star needs to be on the allstar team. Monta Ellis is an allstar one if there ever was one, that is what you want to hear... fine. It is stupid, but that is your logic...

TP just started heating up... Prior to the All Star selection he had an awesome week... You can't tell me he was playing that great all year.

Well wins don't matter... Remember Nash, Williams got selected?

[BROWN]

22 pts on 43 pct with 4 turnovers a game is not all star caliber, sorry. maybe if he was a great defender. he was much better the 2 years previous to this year

Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..

[coldgrip1]

I'm not making Warrior fans look bad at all, I'm saying If your picking players from bad teams, at least have the courtesy to give it to the guy who's been stuck on one for his whole career. Nash is also playing what 30 min a night? He's great, shooting numbers are outstanding, but again the double standards with the "not picking" on bad teams kick in...

The suns have had a favorable schedule compared to the warriors...

Ellis had a 7 or 8 game stretch where he was really struggling. No explosiveness, couldn't shoot, couldn't drive, turnover prone. In a shortened half of season, that stretch is magnified tenfold. That left knee gave him problems.

No way Ellis deserved the All Star this year. If he was in, somebody else got screwed, and I'm a Warriors fan.

[BROWN]

Warriors fans should really stop embarrassing themselves. It's tough to read.

There he is, the Harden guy...

I know it's tough to get it, but when you play basketball with great players, it opens up your game and allows you to be more successful. Harden is the product of playing with stars.

[Blame Rasho]

You are right... the Spurs don't deserve that their best player with (comparable stats if not better stats vs Ellis) to be on the allstar team, esp when they are on a 7 game winning streak and 2nd best in the west conference. Nope... The lotto bound Warriors and their mega star needs to be on the allstar team. Monta Ellis is an allstar one if there ever was one, that is what you want to hear... fine. It is stupid, but that is your logic...

TP just started heating up... Prior to the All Star selection he had an awesome week... You can't tell me he was playing that great all year.

Well wins don't matter... Remember Nash, Williams got selected?

It is amazing that such a crappy team like the Spurs got that scrub Tony Parker selected, over Monta Ellis. I mean... look at the Warriors, they are kicking so much ass with Ellis leading the charge, how can you deny the 41% shooting with 18.3 ppg in their wins? Monta Ellis is getting screwed like a 20 dollar ***** on payday with Parker getting selected over him.

[Chocobanana]

every spurs fan knows that tony parker is a ball hog and a stat padder. hes been chucking all year just to make the all-star game. if it werent for him, richard jefferson would be averaging 20 points on 50% shooting and the spurs would easily be the best team in the west. trade parker and ginobili while theyre still worth something, and force timmy into retirement. free matt bonner.

[BROWN]

I'm not making Warrior fans look bad at all, I'm saying If your picking players from bad teams, at least have the courtesy to give it to the guy who's been stuck on one for his whole career. Nash is also playing what 30 min a night? He's great, shooting numbers are outstanding, but again the double standards with the "not picking" on bad teams kick in...

The suns have had a favorable schedule compared to the warriors...

Ellis had a 7 or 8 game stretch where he was really struggling. No explosiveness, couldn't shoot, couldn't drive, turnover prone. In a shortened half of season, that stretch is magnified tenfold. That left knee gave him problems.

No way Ellis deserved the All Star this year. If he was in, somebody else got screwed, and I'm a Warriors fan.

True, he did have a bad stretch... Of 3 games.. Not 7-8. On the road and they came out 2-1, where he in one he had 12 assists. Bad shooting nights happen.. Not everyone is Nash.

[mysticbb]

Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..

Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.

[Rapcity_11]

Warriors fans should really stop embarrassing themselves. It's tough to read.

There he is, the Harden guy...

I know it's tough to get it, but when you play basketball with great players, it opens up your game and allows you to be more successful. Harden is the product of playing with stars.

Raptors fan, buddy.

Harden is at his best without RW and KD.

[Blame Rasho]

Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..

Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.

Ellis shoots an ungodly 41% in the Warriors wins on 18.3 ppg, with 5.3 apg and 2.8 rpg how can you deny his allstar worthiness?

[BROWN]

It is amazing that such a crappy team like the Spurs got that scrub Tony Parker selected, over Monta Ellis. I mean... look at the Warriors, they are kicking so much ass with Ellis leading the charge. Monta Ellis is getting screwed like a 20 dollar ***** on payday with Parker getting selected over him.

Great the Spurs are a good team, fundamentally balanced and well coached. Tony has been ripping kids this month. He started slow with about 9 alright games, picked it up, and then tore it out the gate.

The Warriors aren't doing as bad as you think they are, they've lost some close games without 2 main players, and had they been able to have Kwame and Curry healthy, they'd have a far better record.

I can count about 6 losses where coaching played a vital role in their losses.

Monta doesn't get in because he doesn't have a HOF coach, k got it (y)

He doesn't get in cause he's on a bad team, got it.

[coldgrip1]

Warriors fans should really stop embarrassing themselves. It's tough to read.

There he is, the Harden guy...

I know it's tough to get it, but when you play basketball with great players, it opens up your game and allows you to be more successful. Harden is the product of playing with stars.

Raptors fan, buddy.

Harden is at his best without RW and KD.

Translation: Harden is at his best when facing the opposing team's scrubs.

[BROWN]

Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..

Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.

Nash plays 30 minutes a night, Ellis plays near 40, major difference.

Yes because Ellis puts up a NBA season high against the best team in the West, I'm basing it off stats?

If it were stats I'd be comparing Nash to Ellis, and that'll never match up cause Nash has a godly TS% and you know that really gives some fellas a hard on.

Nash hasn't lost anyone near as close as Curry or Brown all year, and his team is below .500. Yes the Warriors have a bad record, but it doesn't change that Ellis is having a good year.

[coldgrip1]

Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..

Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.

Ellis shoots an ungodly 41% in the Warriors wins on 18.3 ppg, with 5.3 apg and 2.8 rpg how can you deny his allstar worthiness?

To be fair, he's been playing with a bad knee for a 3, 4 week stretch. Couldn't push off his left knee.

But ignore BROWN. It's Saturday night and he's probably drunk lol.

[Blame Rasho]

It is amazing that such a crappy team like the Spurs got that scrub Tony Parker selected, over Monta Ellis. I mean... look at the Warriors, they are kicking so much ass with Ellis leading the charge. Monta Ellis is getting screwed like a 20 dollar ***** on payday with Parker getting selected over him.

Great the Spurs are a good team, fundamentally balanced and well coached. Tony has been ripping kids this month. He started slow with about 9 alright games, picked it up, and then tore it out the gate.

The Warriors aren't doing as bad as you think they are, they've lost some close games without 2 main players, and had they been able to have Kwame and Curry healthy, they'd have a far better record.

I can count about 6 losses where coaching played a vital role in their losses.

Monta doesn't get in because he doesn't have a HOF coach, k got it (y)

He doesn't get in cause he's on a bad team, got it.

It is a travishamockery that he isn't playing in the allstar game. We can see how instrumental he is to the Warriors wins.

[BROWN]

Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..

Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.

Ellis shoots an ungodly 41% in the Warriors wins on 18.3 ppg, with 5.3 apg and 2.8 rpg how can you deny his allstar worthiness?

I'm guessing you don't watch much Warrior games, it's alright. I've caught the Spurs enough times to say that Pop is the smartest guy in the NBA. He can make anyone look like gold. TP started with a huge slump, and has had an amazing month, has he been playing like an All Star all year?

Playing on a winning team shouldn't give a player an automatic bid, well that's how it looks like this year... With Nash and Deron getting picked.

[coldgrip1]

Another stat guy.

Montas improved his game overall, lost his best pick and roll player with Brown and his most talented team mate.

Career highs in assists, top 10 in scoring.. Minutes played..

Lol, and assists, points and minutes are not statistical categories? Just asking, because it really sounds that you are relying on stats too, just not very good ones in order to evaluate a player.

When Nash is on the court, the Suns are at +2.7 per 100 possessions, while they are at -11.4 with him not on the court. Well, when Ellis is on the court, the Warriors so far are at -2.2, while they are at +2.7 when he is not on the court.

Nash plays 30 minutes a night, Ellis plays near 40, major difference.

Yes because Ellis puts up a NBA season high against the best team in the West, I'm basing it off stats?

If it were stats I'd be comparing Nash to Ellis, and that'll never match up cause Nash has a godly TS% and you know that really gives some fellas a hard on.

Nash hasn't lost anyone near as close as Curry or Brown all year, and his team is below .500. Yes the Warriors have a bad record, but it doesn't change that Ellis is having a good year.

Come on man. I'm gonna drag you back to the Warriors board lol. Ellis is not having a good year.