Rajon Rondo breaks hand, has surgery, out indefinitely

[KGboss]

[Ben-N1ce]

The problem with Rondo getting injured is that the Celtics will win more games.

[truth18]

Folks know what I think about Rondo.... but the advantage Rondo actually has over Parker is age.... There is a noticeable and significant age difference between the two. If everything else between the two players was equal, Rondo would deserve more money based upon the age difference.

I would argue that Parker is the better player and healthier even though he has had his own injury concerns but the age difference between the two can't be discounted given both players rely upon quickness/speed quite a bit. Parker fell off IMHO last season especially considering he didn't play tons of minutes and it could start getting worse.

And that is why comparing Wall's pay that will all be received in his 20's to Rondo isn't realistic either.

In some respects Rondo is a poor man's Kidd who happened to get a major knee injury.

How all of that adds up in FA is obviously TBD. But Kidd had a real strong reputation when he signed his last big deal and was absolutely in the driver's seat.... I doubt Rondo is in that position. If he gets a huge deal it probably won't be because 3-4 teams are lined up to pay him huge money but just one team pays him a lot to lure him away from a more attractive destination to Rondo.

I may not always agree with you, but I appreciate your points and its clear you take the time to think stuff out before you post.

Unlike some people.

[sully00]

I don't think he has elite athleticism by NBA standards. He's more Parker than Rose or Westbrook. While he has some quicks, his best attribute by far is his intelligence, IMO. Will he get a big deal? I think he will. Teams know you have to overpay in free agency, especially for someone else's free agent. Dude is unrestricted and some team like the Kings will probably free up the room and step up, and especially in light of the expected cap jump and possible smoothing that could have us looking at caps of $70m, $77m and $84m over the next 3 years (up from this year's $63m).

Lke I have been saying everyone wants to point to the new 22 year olds deal and say look Rondo is worth more than this guy. Sure he is today, but not 3 years from now.

What I have said for years is Tony Parker is getting 12-13 mil why does Rondo get more?

The response is that Parker is somehow an unfair comparison because he took less money.

Maybe or maybe that is what the market really is. Who was the last big time FA PG? Nash he left for 10-11 mil a year.

I just don't see the comparable here.

Nash left for Phoenix when the salary cap was $44m. Rondo's contract would likely cover a couple seasons where the cap was nearly twice that.

The cap isn't the only thing that matters. Over that same time period half the league operated at almost double that salary cap. The actual avg annual salary of players was higher back then than it is right now especially at the top end.

To put it into context while Nash got 6 years 66 mil from PHX, Boozer got 6 years 68 mil in Utah, Rasheed got 5 years and 57 mil, and roughly the same for Camby in DEN.

Kobe got 7 years 136 mil from the Lakers and Kenyon Martin got 7 years 92 mi on a rookie deal Max Contract.

Nash was eligible for a 6 year 100 mil contract when he signed (what Kidd got the year before in NJ).

Not saying that won't change but you had guys making over 20 mil a season on the back end of 7 year max contract. The league salary pool was based on a significant higher amount of the league's revenue. The leagues revenue is growing so that will start to level out the fact that the players lost 7-8 % of that revenue in the new CBA and teams are just way more disciplined right now on the length of big money contracts.

To sign Rondo as a FA for 14-15 mil a season your going to have to give him 14-15 mil in cap space not 12 and add on a million a year in raises for 6 years. Goes more so if you think your giving him 17-18 mil. The teams that are going to want Rondo aren't going to want pay him that kind of money they are going to want to fit him around a guy how is already making crazy money like Melo or a couple of guys in HOU or into a group of guys how are making a lot of money but not max money in DAL.

[Captain_Caveman]

Lke I have been saying everyone wants to point to the new 22 year olds deal and say look Rondo is worth more than this guy. Sure he is today, but not 3 years from now.

What I have said for years is Tony Parker is getting 12-13 mil why does Rondo get more?

The response is that Parker is somehow an unfair comparison because he took less money.

Maybe or maybe that is what the market really is. Who was the last big time FA PG? Nash he left for 10-11 mil a year.

I just don't see the comparable here.

Nash left for Phoenix when the salary cap was $44m. Rondo's contract would likely cover a couple seasons where the cap was nearly twice that.

The cap isn't the only thing that matters. Over that same time period half the league operated at almost double that salary cap. The actual avg annual salary of players was higher back then than it is right now especially at the top end.

To put it into context while Nash got 6 years 66 mil from PHX, Boozer got 6 years 68 mil in Utah, Rasheed got 5 years and 57 mil, and roughly the same for Camby in DEN.

Kobe got 7 years 136 mil from the Lakers and Kenyon Martin got 7 years 92 mi on a rookie deal Max Contract.

Nash was eligible for a 6 year 100 mil contract when he signed (what Kidd got the year before in NJ).

Not saying that won't change but you had guys making over 20 mil a season on the back end of 7 year max contract. The league salary pool was based on a significant higher amount of the league's revenue. The leagues revenue is growing so that will start to level out the fact that the players lost 7-8 % of that revenue in the new CBA and teams are just way more disciplined right now on the length of big money contracts.

To sign Rondo as a FA for 14-15 mil a season your going to have to give him 14-15 mil in cap space not 12 and add on a million a year in raises for 6 years. Goes more so if you think your giving him 17-18 mil. The teams that are going to want Rondo aren't going to want pay him that kind of money they are going to want to fit him around a guy how is already making crazy money like Melo or a couple of guys in HOU or into a group of guys how are making a lot of money but not max money in DAL.

I think that's a lot of obfuscation, but probably not too far apart here. IMO, a healthy Rondo gets multiple offers in the range of 4 years, $72-76m next summer.

[sully00]

I think that's a lot of obfuscation, but probably not too far apart here. IMO, a healthy Rondo gets multiple offers in the range of 4 years, $72-76m next summer.

We will see but for an issue that everyone on this board seems to undervalue what it is going to cost to sign a guy this is the one guy everyone seems to consistently overvalue his market and value in it. Unless he is getting it from the Celtics, I think he will be thrilled to get 14-15 mil annually.

[Captain_Caveman]

I think that's a lot of obfuscation, but probably not too far apart here. IMO, a healthy Rondo gets multiple offers in the range of 4 years, $72-76m next summer.

We will see but for an issue that everyone on this board seems to undervalue what it is going to cost to sign a guy this is the one guy everyone seems to consistently overvalue his market and value in it. Unless he is getting it from the Celtics, I think he will be thrilled to get 14-15 mil annually.

I think if that were the case, he would have taken the 3/45m extension and not assumed the risk of injury this year just to get a guaranteed 4th season.

[sully00]

I think that's a lot of obfuscation, but probably not too far apart here. IMO, a healthy Rondo gets multiple offers in the range of 4 years, $72-76m next summer.

We will see but for an issue that everyone on this board seems to undervalue what it is going to cost to sign a guy this is the one guy everyone seems to consistently overvalue his market and value in it. Unless he is getting it from the Celtics, I think he will be thrilled to get 14-15 mil annually.

I think if that were the case, he would have taken the 3/45m extension and not assumed the risk of injury this year just to get a guaranteed 4th season.

I think zip code is the concern there. My guess would be that Rondo's 3 year extension doesn't come with a no trade clause. He has leverage to avoid relocating to SAC or whatever backwoods local Ainge might send him off to. That goes away once he extends his contract.

I just don't see the where anymore. The Knicks have Calderon and Smith under contract for next year and desperately need help up front how does giving Rondo 18 mil help that situation? The Rockets botched their situation and aren't going to be able to open up a big space.

While I see lots of teams able to free up salary I don't see any that are a fit to do that and overpay for Rondo by 4 or 5 mil a year.

[ILC]

I can see Dallas throwing bags of money at him, also Lakers if Kobe really insists on it, Sacramento too, maybe Charlotte and Indiana in a S/T...

[GuyClinch]

I think if that were the case, he would have taken the 3/45m extension and not assumed the risk of injury this year just to get a guaranteed 4th season.

This. Rondo is holding out for more the 15 million...assuming its a sign and trade it will be like 17 million +4.5% raise each year.

So 17.6 + 18.5 + 19.3 + 20.1 = 4 years 75 million. So he presumably was already offered somewhat less the max money and rejected it. The question really is can Rondo come in and play well enough to get a trade so he can get paid more then S and T max..

That's going to be unlikely given his hand injury I think. My issue with Rondo has always been this - he is good but overrated. He will like a lot of second tier stars command max contract money but not move a team like a Lebron would.

The NBA is in a really tough place now. The CBA makes it more about the players wishes rather then the teams management.. Because winning teams get so much more out of their 'max' players. Lebron is about twice the player Rondo is in terms of value..but he will cost the same.

[sully00]

I can see Dallas throwing bags of money at him, also Lakers if Kobe really insists on it, Sacramento too, maybe Charlotte and Indiana in a S/T...

But the why is the problem. Dallas just had Dirk take a pay cut to 9 mil so they can pay Rondo 18 mil? They are going to be looking to bring guys in for 8-10 mil a year and the chance to contend paying Rondo twice what they pay Dirk is totally going off script.

The Lakers maybe but they are going to be terrible it is just a big why?

If he wanted SAC he would be there already.

Charlotte has Kemba Walker on his rookie deal.

I just feel like if you have 18 mil worth of love for Rondo you could have him now for 13. I think teams like Rondo at that number but I don't think the phone is going to be ringing if he is looking for max dollars.

[Slartibartfast]

I wonder if Miami will make a run at him.

I know there's bad blood with Wade, but they'd be a borderline contender with Rondo/Wade/Deng/Bosh, and Spoelstra's a huge Rondo fan.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I wonder if Miami will make a run at him.

I know there's bad blood with Wade, but they'd be a borderline contender with Rondo/Wade/Deng/Bosh, and Spoelstra's a huge Rondo fan.

I don't believe they'll have the capspace to get him.

[Slartibartfast]

I wonder if Miami will make a run at him.

I know there's bad blood with Wade, but they'd be a borderline contender with Rondo/Wade/Deng/Bosh, and Spoelstra's a huge Rondo fan.

I don't believe they'll have the capspace to get him.

They'll be close enough to get to it, esp. if Wade opts out again.

[ILC]

They can try, but...

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[Parliament10]

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[sully00]

I wonder if Miami will make a run at him.

I know there's bad blood with Wade, but they'd be a borderline contender with Rondo/Wade/Deng/Bosh, and Spoelstra's a huge Rondo fan.

I don't believe they'll have the capspace to get him.

They'll be close enough to get to it, esp. if Wade opts out again.

No they would have to renounce Wade to get any cap relief, and he was nuts to opt out this year he would be totally out of his mind to pull that again.

[RondoToKG]

I shattered the 5th metacarpal in my right hand, saw the Patriots Orthopedic Doctor himself and he set it back into place. That **** healed fully in 6 weeks but I stupidly took my cast off to play Xbox after a couple weeks, so my 5th metacarpal molded into the shape of an Xbox 360 controller. I wonder how bad his break was? Did they say?

edit: Media day interview he said it was his middle finger got caught and didn't hold up?

Who would describe a broken hand as a finger?

[jinx8402]

It was his 3rd metacarpal, which connects to the middle finger. I think they were saying he caught himself slipping and hit his middle knuckle on the window, causing the metacarpal to fracture.

[165bows]

I shattered the 5th metacarpal in my right hand, saw the Patriots Orthopedic Doctor himself and he set it back into place. That **** healed fully in 6 weeks but I stupidly took my cast off to play Xbox after a couple weeks, so my 5th metacarpal molded into the shape of an Xbox 360 controller. I wonder how bad his break was? Did they say?

edit: Media day interview he said it was his middle finger got caught and didn't hold up?

Who would describe a broken hand as a finger?

It happens like a lever. I broke my 2nd metacarpal in HS but it was direct force right to the fingertip, and put an x shape fracture right through the metacarpal. At first I though it was a just a bad sprain, but the swelling that developed was ridiculous.