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Re: Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#261 » by Braggins » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:20 am

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amcoolio wrote:All this hype and in the end, its just gonna be #22 for Belinelli...I hope I'm wrong, but this is all too familiar

How is this familiar? When was the last time we traded a 1st round draft pick on or before draft night? The only example is us holding Napier hostage for MIA.

What was the last time we made an offseason trade that wasn't part of a massive roster overhaul?

When was the last time Cho got poor value out of a trade?

I really don't understand why people expect the worst out of a Cho trade.

He was probably referring to being disappointed with our draft night. This is three years in a row where the majority of the fan base has been left scratching their heads.
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Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#262 » by Mystical Apples » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:21 am

Players aren't exactly devastated when they get traded away from Milwaukee and Sacramento. Not even sure if Pappagiannis is coming over this year anyway.
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Re: Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#263 » by BlackOutBuzz » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:23 am

fatlever wrote:Brogdon and Papagiannis have already had their introductory press conferences with their respective teams. Richardson on the other hand has not been introduced by either Hornets or Kings. Would either the Kings or Bucks introduce a player that they knew was included in a trade? That seems rather harsh to do to a brand new player. Sure, crazier things have happened, but why do that if something was brewing?


Neither Cho nor Divac can even talk about the trade or Richardson until the trade goes through, in fact they both said that in their post-draft pressers.

Was Skal introduced?

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Re: Re: Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#264 » by BlackOutBuzz » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:25 am

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amcoolio wrote:All this hype and in the end, its just gonna be #22 for Belinelli...I hope I'm wrong, but this is all too familiar

How is this familiar? When was the last time we traded a 1st round draft pick on or before draft night? The only example is us holding Napier hostage for MIA.

What was the last time we made an offseason trade that wasn't part of a massive roster overhaul?

When was the last time Cho got poor value out of a trade?

I really don't understand why people expect the worst out of a Cho trade.

He was probably referring to being disappointed with our draft night. This is three years in a row where the majority of the fan base has been left scratching their heads.


I think the majority liked the Vonleh pick, the main detractors were UConn fans upset over Napier.

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Re: Re: Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#265 » by yosemiteben » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:29 am

Braggins wrote:He was probably referring to being disappointed with our draft night. This is three years in a row where the majority of the fan base has been left scratching their heads.

But in this situation people are disappointed even though they don't know what is going on.

I can understand being skeptical of a big deal happening for reasons that fat has articulated, but we have just as much evidence of that as we do of it being solely Belinelli for 22. We just don't have any real evidence of what is going on.

The only thing we have to go on is Woj's tweet, and this wouldn't be the first time that Woj has been out of the loop on our plans.
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Re: Re: Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#266 » by Braggins » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:35 am

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yosemiteben wrote:How is this familiar? When was the last time we traded a 1st round draft pick on or before draft night? The only example is us holding Napier hostage for MIA.

What was the last time we made an offseason trade that wasn't part of a massive roster overhaul?

When was the last time Cho got poor value out of a trade?

I really don't understand why people expect the worst out of a Cho trade.

He was probably referring to being disappointed with our draft night. This is three years in a row where the majority of the fan base has been left scratching their heads.


I think the majority liked the Vonleh pick, the main detractors were UConn fans upset over Napier.

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My bad, I mixed up the Vonleh and Zeller draft in my head. Should have said three of the last four years.
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Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#267 » by Mystical Apples » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:35 am

Sacramento holds the rights to Bogdanovic now too.
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Re: Re: Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#268 » by Braggins » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:44 am

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Braggins wrote:He was probably referring to being disappointed with our draft night. This is three years in a row where the majority of the fan base has been left scratching their heads.

But in this situation people are disappointed even though they don't know what is going on.

I can understand being skeptical of a big deal happening for reasons that fat has articulated, but we have just as much evidence of that as we do of it being solely Belinelli for 22. We just don't have any real evidence of what is going on.

The only thing we have to go on is Woj's tweet, and this wouldn't be the first time that Woj has been out of the loop on our plans.

Well, given what little information we do have it is hard for me to not have a bad feeling about this. All we know for sure is that we aren't keeping our pick 22 and we might be getting Bellinelli, who we've targeted in the past and our front office clearly likes.
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Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#269 » by BigSlam » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:53 am

fatlever wrote:Brogdon and Papagiannis have already had their introductory press conferences with their respective teams. Richardson on the other hand has not been introduced by either Hornets or Kings. Would either the Kings or Bucks introduce a player that they knew was included in a trade? That seems rather harsh to do to a brand new player. Sure, crazier things have happened, but why do that if something was brewing?

How about Skal?

I'm actually wondering if we might be able to pull WCS away from them.


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Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#270 » by fatlever » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:13 am

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fatlever wrote:Brogdon and Papagiannis have already had their introductory press conferences with their respective teams. Richardson on the other hand has not been introduced by either Hornets or Kings. Would either the Kings or Bucks introduce a player that they knew was included in a trade?


No, but I doubt the teams know the exact outcomes as of now. Can't keep the players hanging, either.

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Not really the same situation as Wiggins. He was drafted to be a Cav. Nobody knew Lebron was coming back and the Wiggins/Love trade happened in August.
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Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#271 » by fatlever » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:15 am

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fatlever wrote:Brogdon and Papagiannis have already had their introductory press conferences with their respective teams. Richardson on the other hand has not been introduced by either Hornets or Kings. Would either the Kings or Bucks introduce a player that they knew was included in a trade? That seems rather harsh to do to a brand new player. Sure, crazier things have happened, but why do that if something was brewing?

How about Skal?

I'm actually wondering if we might be able to pull WCS away from them.


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Yes, Skal was introduced along with Papagiannis and Isaiah Cousins.

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Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#272 » by Mystical Apples » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:30 am

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Mystical Apples wrote:
fatlever wrote:Brogdon and Papagiannis have already had their introductory press conferences with their respective teams. Richardson on the other hand has not been introduced by either Hornets or Kings. Would either the Kings or Bucks introduce a player that they knew was included in a trade?


No, but I doubt the teams know the exact outcomes as of now. Can't keep the players hanging, either.

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Not really the same situation as Wiggins. He was drafted to be a Cav. Nobody knew Lebron was coming back and the Wiggins/Love trade happened in August.


And people know precisely what Courtney is going to do? The GM's responsibility is to his franchise and owner, not a 2nd round draft pick with a non-guaranteed contract.
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Re: Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#273 » by City of Trees » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:40 am

Mystical Apples wrote:Not even sure if Pappagiannis is coming over this year anyway.

Yes Papagiannis is coming over to the Kings immediately. Bodganovic will come over next year when he's no longer under the rookie salary wage scale.



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Post#274 » by Mystical Apples » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:54 am

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Mystical Apples wrote:Not even sure if Pappagiannis is coming over this year anyway.

Yes Papagiannis is coming over to the Kings immediately. Bodganovic will come over next year when he's no longer under the rookie salary wage scale.



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Post#275 » by City of Trees » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:17 am

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Mystical Apples wrote:Not even sure if Pappagiannis is coming over this year anyway.

Yes Papagiannis is coming over to the Kings immediately. Bodganovic will come over next year when he's no longer under the rookie salary wage scale.



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Post#276 » by Mystical Apples » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:49 am

City of Trees wrote:
Mystical Apples wrote:
City of Trees wrote:Yes Papagiannis is coming over to the Kings immediately. Bodganovic will come over next year when he's no longer under the rookie salary wage scale.



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Could be. Smells like 5 firsts added though within 72 hours if Uthoff gets inked.
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Post#277 » by LofJ » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:29 am

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Cho/Guelli and my sources all just keep saying "Just wait until next week" when asked about the trade, makes me think there is more to it


With all the free agents on this team things are going to be crazy here next week.
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Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#278 » by HornetJail » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:45 am

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Cho/Guelli and my sources all just keep saying "Just wait until next week" when asked about the trade, makes me think there is more to it
The team has never said Bellinelli's name, right? That's all Woj and other reporters on twitter? My gut tells me this is part of a S&T deal that can't be announced till free agency opens. Still doesn't make sense though.
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Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#279 » by Mystical Apples » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:19 am

We know Belinelli was on the team because I just traded him.

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Re: Hornets Trade #22 for Marco Belinelli 

Post#280 » by MPM » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:56 am

Well, waiting until July 7th has become sort of a second draft for us. At the very least, gotta thank Cho for keeping the drama alive.

As mentioned, if this turns out to be the letdown my glass-half-empty self thinks it will be (22 for slack jawed Belly), I would like to get permission from all of you to bash the Hornets relentlessly right up to the point where I buy my Belinelli jersey.

But...but...If we manage to, say, do something like score an actual asset like WCS or cap relief, then I will once again kneel at the altar of Cho.

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