The Boogie Watch

[lilfishi22]

Just think, $100m payroll over multiple years. They must be raking in well over $100m in revenue to cover that. Not sure what the profit margin is but I'd imagine it's considerable if they agreed to a significant increase in the salary cap

The salary cap is just a % of the league revenue 57/53 split between players and owners or whatever. Which means if it seems like these players are making bank (especially considering the split of player revenues spreads over a number of players), think of how much extra money the owners started getting with the new tv deal? They are ALL making tons of money. That's why when people say Portland can't afford all these guys or Utah can't re-sign their guys it makes no sense. They are not going to lose money. So unless they seriously value a few extra dollars in their already really rich pockets over winning, they are not going to not keep their own productive players.

So the 57/53 split accounts for individual teams and their player salary right? So if a team is making $10m profit from merch and tickets, then 57% of that would be paid to players? So then TV deals, for LA as an example, could run into the 10's of millions every season and that would be split with the players on top of their salary or that forms part of the salary? I'm not that familiar with the profit sharing arrangements in the NBA.

I think when people say, Team X can't afford said players, they just mean there are some soft salary cap controls in place that would limit them. So Portland, in particular with Paul Allen as their owner, could easily afford a $200m payroll but there are limitations on the deals that can handed out so in a $100m salary cap environment, they would only be able to go over by a few $10's of millions. That's what I mean anyway.

No one in the NBA is losing money, especially these days. With money flowing and talent being a limited resource, every team with some talent will be looking to retain.

[bwgood77]

Just think, $100m payroll over multiple years. They must be raking in well over $100m in revenue to cover that. Not sure what the profit margin is but I'd imagine it's considerable if they agreed to a significant increase in the salary cap

The salary cap is just a % of the league revenue 57/53 split between players and owners or whatever. Which means if it seems like these players are making bank (especially considering the split of player revenues spreads over a number of players), think of how much extra money the owners started getting with the new tv deal? They are ALL making tons of money. That's why when people say Portland can't afford all these guys or Utah can't re-sign their guys it makes no sense. They are not going to lose money. So unless they seriously value a few extra dollars in their already really rich pockets over winning, they are not going to not keep their own productive players.

So the 57/53 split accounts for individual teams and their player salary right? So if a team is making $10m profit from merch and tickets, then 57% of that would be paid to players? So then TV deals, for LA as an example, could run into the 10's of millions every season and that would be split with the players on top of their salary or that forms part of the salary? I'm not that familiar with the profit sharing arrangements in the NBA.

I think when people say, Team X can't afford said players, they just mean there are some soft salary cap controls in place that would limit them. So Portland, in particular with Paul Allen as their owner, could easily afford a $200m payroll but there are limitations on the deals that can handed out so in a $100m salary cap environment, they would only be able to go over by a few $10's of millions. That's what I mean anyway.

No one in the NBA is losing money, especially these days. With money flowing and talent being a limited resource, every team with some talent will be looking to retain.

I'm not an expert, but the revenue is projected, and there is a split, and they base that split on that projected revenue, so the players and cap is 53% (I think) of the total revenue per team on avg, and each team owner shares the rest of projected league revenue of 57% of that #. The likely project it low enough to where it doesn't come in below, and if it does, the owners have to take the hits because players are locked into contracts.

But if the league exceeds projections (likely), then that revenue gets split and distributed accordingly, as far as I know.

I am not completely sure how merch and stuff works into it, but everything is shared. While obviously Sarver isn't making what the Buss's are, he's likely making a fair amount. Look at our cap figure and he basically is getting paid league revenue in some sort of fashion for his profit and to pay those guys.

There is a pool. We used to have a cap expert JDLAW (or he was at least confident in what he knew about the law) who was a Suns fan who posted here, but I guess he is no longer a Suns fan, as I'm sure he would know much more than I.

But I guess my point is, is that considering players are getting bloated contracts, and the owners get a larger share of the league revenue split than the players, than they are even being overpaid on a greater scale than the players.

Overpaid isn't the right word, since the league earns it...but compensated.

I doubt many team will worry nearly as much about a tax unless they revise that to make it a way bigger tax that really eats into stuff...still probably wouldn't bother a guy like Paul Allen who is probably worth a combined 20 owners in this league

[Frank Lee]

I think McD will make one solid pitch to get the Boog..... and it has to be this year. Get Boston involved on a swap for Chandler for their pick and AJohnson....give Sac tha pick, our pick plus Chris and Warren... pretty solid rebuild for sactown with their likely top 5 pick, one in the early teens (Phnx), a later first(Bos) And two excellent prospects.

We become the swirling sand storm of drama, but a very dangerous haboob to deal with.


Edit....May be we/they wait till the off season to let the picks shake out. But there is a deal there somewhere and my buck rides on McD to try it

[TeamTragic]

I think McD will make one solid pitch to get the Boog..... and it has to be this year. Get Boston involved on a swap for Chandler for their pick and AJohnson....give Sac tha pick, our pick plus Chris and Warren... pretty solid rebuild for sactown with their likely top 5 pick, one in the early teens (Phnx), a later first(Bos) And two excellent prospects.

We become the swirling sand storm of drama, but a very dangerous haboob to deal with.


Edit....May be we/they wait till the off season to let the picks shake out. But there is a deal there somewhere and my buck rides on McD to try it

What makes you think Boston doesn't want Cousins? They can pull a deal off on their own with those Brooklyn picks.

[lilfishi22]

I'm not an expert, but the revenue is projected, and there is a split, and they base that split on that projected revenue, so the players and cap is 53% (I think) of the total revenue per team on avg, and each team owner shares the rest of projected league revenue of 57% of that #. They likely project it low enough to where it doesn't come in below, and if it does, the owners have to take the hits because players are locked into contracts.

But if the league exceeds projections (likely), then that revenue gets split and distributed accordingly, as far as I know.

I am not completely sure how merch and stuff works into it, but everything is shared. While obviously Sarver isn't making what the Buss's are, he's likely making a fair amount. Look at our cap figure and he basically is getting paid league revenue in some sort of fashion for his profit and to pay those guys.

There is a pool. We used to have a cap expert JDLAW (or he was at least confident in what he knew about the law) who was a Suns fan who posted here, but I guess he is no longer a Suns fan, as I'm sure he would know much more than I.

But I guess my point is, is that considering players are getting bloated contracts, and the owners get a larger share of the league revenue split than the players, than they are even being overpaid on a greater scale than the players.

Overpaid isn't the right word, since the league earns it...but compensated.

I doubt many team will worry nearly as much about a tax unless they revise that to make it a way bigger tax that really eats into stuff...still probably wouldn't bother a guy like Paul Allen who is probably worth a combined 20 owners in this league

Yeah I remember JDLAW, wonder where he's gone now...

I don't think teams are worrying about going over the tax but there are still limits to the guys you can sign.

[lilfishi22]

I think McD will make one solid pitch to get the Boog..... and it has to be this year. Get Boston involved on a swap for Chandler for their pick and AJohnson....give Sac tha pick, our pick plus Chris and Warren... pretty solid rebuild for sactown with their likely top 5 pick, one in the early teens (Phnx), a later first(Bos) And two excellent prospects.

We become the swirling sand storm of drama, but a very dangerous haboob to deal with.


Edit....May be we/they wait till the off season to let the picks shake out. But there is a deal there somewhere and my buck rides on McD to try it

What makes you think Boston doesn't want Cousins? They can pull a deal off on their own with those Brooklyn picks.

Nothing. I think they would be just as keen on Cousins as us. They would certainly be competing against us for the Boogie sweepstakes

[TeamTragic]

I think McD will make one solid pitch to get the Boog..... and it has to be this year. Get Boston involved on a swap for Chandler for their pick and AJohnson....give Sac tha pick, our pick plus Chris and Warren... pretty solid rebuild for sactown with their likely top 5 pick, one in the early teens (Phnx), a later first(Bos) And two excellent prospects.

We become the swirling sand storm of drama, but a very dangerous haboob to deal with.


Edit....May be we/they wait till the off season to let the picks shake out. But there is a deal there somewhere and my buck rides on McD to try it

What makes you think Boston doesn't want Cousins? They can pull a deal off on their own with those Brooklyn picks.

Nothing. I think they would be just as keen on Cousins as us. They would certainly be competing against us for the Boogie sweepstakes

I don't think I was asking you but rather Frank.

[bwgood77]

I think McD will make one solid pitch to get the Boog..... and it has to be this year. Get Boston involved on a swap for Chandler for their pick and AJohnson....give Sac tha pick, our pick plus Chris and Warren... pretty solid rebuild for sactown with their likely top 5 pick, one in the early teens (Phnx), a later first(Bos) And two excellent prospects.

We become the swirling sand storm of drama, but a very dangerous haboob to deal with.


Edit....May be we/they wait till the off season to let the picks shake out. But there is a deal there somewhere and my buck rides on McD to try it

I think McD will make one solid pitch to get the Boog..... and it has to be this year. Get Boston involved on a swap for Chandler for their pick and AJohnson....give Sac tha pick, our pick plus Chris and Warren... pretty solid rebuild for sactown with their likely top 5 pick, one in the early teens (Phnx), a later first(Bos) And two excellent prospects.

We become the swirling sand storm of drama, but a very dangerous haboob to deal with.


Edit....May be we/they wait till the off season to let the picks shake out. But there is a deal there somewhere and my buck rides on McD to try it

What makes you think Boston doesn't want Cousins? They can pull a deal off on their own with those Brooklyn picks.

Nothing. I think they would be just as keen on Cousins as us. They would certainly be competing against us for the Boogie sweepstakes

What makes you guys think that Cousins won't sign his mega extension as reported here?

CSN California has confirmed through a league source that the two sides have tossed around numbers and that barring a late change in direction by either side, Cousins intends to sign a massive, max-money extension, estimated at roughly $207 million during the offseason that will keep the big man in a Kings uniform long-term.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/source-cousins-intends-sign-massive-extension-kings

[lilfishi22]

I think McD will make one solid pitch to get the Boog..... and it has to be this year. Get Boston involved on a swap for Chandler for their pick and AJohnson....give Sac tha pick, our pick plus Chris and Warren... pretty solid rebuild for sactown with their likely top 5 pick, one in the early teens (Phnx), a later first(Bos) And two excellent prospects.

We become the swirling sand storm of drama, but a very dangerous haboob to deal with.


Edit....May be we/they wait till the off season to let the picks shake out. But there is a deal there somewhere and my buck rides on McD to try it

What makes you think Boston doesn't want Cousins? They can pull a deal off on their own with those Brooklyn picks.

Nothing. I think they would be just as keen on Cousins as us. They would certainly be competing against us for the Boogie sweepstakes

What makes you guys think that Cousins won't sign his mega extension as reported here?

CSN California has confirmed through a league source that the two sides have tossed around numbers and that barring a late change in direction by either side, Cousins intends to sign a massive, max-money extension, estimated at roughly $207 million during the offseason that will keep the big man in a Kings uniform long-term.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/source-cousins-intends-sign-massive-extension-kings

Again, nothing indicates the Kings are looking to move him but should there be a late change in direction by either side, I think we'd be giving our best shot at trading for him.

[Frank Lee]

What makes you think Boston doesn't want Cousins? They can pull a deal off on their own with those Brooklyn picks.

Nothing. I think they would be just as keen on Cousins as us. They would certainly be competing against us for the Boogie sweepstakes

I don't think I was asking you but rather Frank.

See above




It might come down where DMC wants to go. McD playing the Bledsoe angle. Now if Ainge got really savvy, perhaps he unites them in Boston.

[OGBAH]

Boggie sign his super max and then demands a trade...is that possible?

[OGBAH]

Boogie sign his super max and then demands a trade...is that possible?

[thamadkant]

Boggie sign his super max and then demands a trade...is that possible?

Of course.

But could be get complicated because it could take 7 or 8 players involved in the trade to clear room for 35 million dollars in cap room or in order to match salaries.

[Phoenix-Sons]

Boggie sign his super max and then demands a trade...is that possible?

Of course.

But could be get complicated because it could take 7 or 8 players involved in the trade to clear room for 35 million dollars in cap room or in order to match salaries.

And the Kings would have all the leverage since thay have him signed for another 5 years.

[thamadkant]

Boggie sign his super max and then demands a trade...is that possible?

Of course.

But could be get complicated because it could take 7 or 8 players involved in the trade to clear room for 35 million dollars in cap room or in order to match salaries.

And the Kings would have all the leverage since thay have him signed for another 5 years.

Which means a star for star trade is required to get a deal done...


Basically once he signs it... Its almost like he's locked in. He'd have to commit a crime so the team dont want him.

[Zelaznyrules]

Boggie sign his super max and then demands a trade...is that possible?

Of course.

But could be get complicated because it could take 7 or 8 players involved in the trade to clear room for 35 million dollars in cap room or in order to match salaries.

And the Kings would have all the leverage since thay have him signed for another 5 years.

I see it the other way. Chances are if they trade Cousins it will be because he's worn out his welcome there. And it's hard to act like you're the one with leverage if your superstar is forcing your hand.

[thamadkant]

Of course.

But could be get complicated because it could take 7 or 8 players involved in the trade to clear room for 35 million dollars in cap room or in order to match salaries.

And the Kings would have all the leverage since thay have him signed for another 5 years.

I see it the other way. Chances are if they trade Cousins it will be because he's worn out his welcome there. And it's hard to act like you're the one with leverage if your superstar is forcing your hand.

5 year contract means he's locked in. Even if Kings want him out... They will have leverage... As more teams will be willing to trade for a 30ppg 11rpg center locked for 5 years.

[Zelaznyrules]

And the Kings would have all the leverage since thay have him signed for another 5 years.

I see it the other way. Chances are if they trade Cousins it will be because he's worn out his welcome there. And it's hard to act like you're the one with leverage if your superstar is forcing your hand.

5 year contract means he's locked in. Even if Kings want him out... They will have leverage... As more teams will be willing to trade for a 30ppg 11rpg center locked for 5 years.

Right now the Kings don't want him out, they want to keep him despite all the hell he's caused there. If it gets bad enough that they change their mind and try to move him you can bet that's going to be very public. The market for Cousins is already limited, just imagine how limited it will be if he starts making it hard on the Kings.

Disgruntled player usually means a loss of leverage, especially when you already have one with a bad reputation. Just look at Charles Barkley. I'm not saying they'll have to give Cousins away, I just doubt they'll get full value for him if he goes south.

[thamadkant]

Yeah. But my point is not about Kings wanting him out ASAP. My point is... Because he is locked in 5 years... More teams will bid for him... So Kings have the leverage that they will seek the best offer and not be pressured to taking any offers.

They can sit him and teams will not be detered.

[Qwigglez]

If Kings traded Cousins, is he able to sign the max contract extension this offseason with the new team that just acquired him? If so, then teams need to offer everything to get Cousins.