2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[treiz]

Magic fan here. What do you guys think the future holds for Nicholson? I've always been a big fan of him and thought he had great potential as a scorer, if partnered with a defensive C. Any chance he takes up a fair chunk of Lopez's scoring load now that he's gone? (Obviously Russell and Lin are options #1 and #2).

Also, I love that Russell deal for you guys. It's gonna be exciting to watch him get free reign over a team.

Considering the talent level of the roster being so low, I'd imagine Kenny giving him a clean slate this year (assuming he's not traded between now and the start of the season). Last year he barely got off the bench and that may be due to various reasons, either he wasn't working hard enough or Kenny allowing him to get used to the system or maybe he just wasn't good enough, we have no idea at this point.

Saying that, there's no way he can take on a fair chunk of Lopez' scoring load, think there's more of a chance of him playing back-up C/PF at about 10mpg at best unless he proves to be really good, since we're committed to rolling with RHJ as our PF. Even then he's in direct competition with Acy who was great off the bench for us last year.

[Prokorov]

Hypothetical, what if Aldridge forces his way out of SAS and theyre willing to accept any deal to wipe him off the cap.

Would BRK be interested in Aldridge coming over and becoming a focal point player to help relieve pressure off of the young guards?

Either BRK absorbs Aldridge outright, and eliminating the capspace, or perhaps sending back Booker/Hamilton if SAS so desires.

C - Mozgov, Allen, Acy, JHam?
PF- Aldridge, RHJ, Booker?
SF- Levert, Harris
SG- DLo, Skil, Whitehead
PG- Lin, Dimwiddie

Thats not a bad looking at all. Pretty damn balanced with scoring in the front an back court. Cap situation is still excellent as Aldridge has an opt out, JHam/Booker expires, but decisions will need to be made on the minimum wage brigade on whether to keep em or not to larger deal.

Of course with CP3 traded to HOU its alot less likely that SAS will bother to clean up capspace unless theyre gonna take a run at Blake Griffin, Gordon Hayward, and so on.

i wouldnt take aldridge for a top 55 protected second rounder.

He is 32, has all the same flaws as lopez (and hasnt proved he can stretch to 3 yet), refuses to play C, and if he couldnt find a way to make it work in SA im not sure how he would make it work here.

also... whats the point to bring him in if we arent trying to win? I think he has lopez impact or even less and a guy who was resistant to what the team asked him to do isnt the kind of attitude i want around my young guys

best case he inflated his numbers by playing in meaningless games, adds, a three puts up like 23/8 and we trade him at the deadline.

yeah hard pass

[Prokorov]

Hypothetical, what if Aldridge forces his way out of SAS and theyre willing to accept any deal to wipe him off the cap.

Would BRK be interested in Aldridge coming over and becoming a focal point player to help relieve pressure off of the young guards?

Either BRK absorbs Aldridge outright, and eliminating the capspace, or perhaps sending back Booker/Hamilton if SAS so desires.

C - Mozgov, Allen, Acy, JHam?
PF- Aldridge, RHJ, Booker?
SF- Levert, Harris
SG- DLo, Skil, Whitehead
PG- Lin, Dimwiddie

Thats not a bad looking at all. Pretty damn balanced with scoring in the front an back court. Cap situation is still excellent as Aldridge has an opt out, JHam/Booker expires, but decisions will need to be made on the minimum wage brigade on whether to keep em or not to larger deal.

Of course with CP3 traded to HOU its alot less likely that SAS will bother to clean up capspace unless theyre gonna take a run at Blake Griffin, Gordon Hayward, and so on.

that still just a 25-30 win team and one that is now terrible on defense with RHJ moved to the bench. its a worse version of last years team only with a healthy lin maybe

[Prokorov]

Magic fan here. What do you guys think the future holds for Nicholson? I've always been a big fan of him and thought he had great potential as a scorer, if partnered with a defensive C. Any chance he takes up a fair chunk of Lopez's scoring load now that he's gone? (Obviously Russell and Lin are options #1 and #2).

Also, I love that Russell deal for you guys. It's gonna be exciting to watch him get free reign over a team.

i think he racks up DNP-CDs until we can find a way to move him. i dont see him getting much burn at all

[13th Man]

CBS Sports did a ranking of the top 30 NBA players who were available this summer by FA, trade or draft - taking account of skill set, age and cost , among other things

Otto Porter was 17
Milsap. 10
Gallinari - 29

JJ Reddick - 24
DAngelo Russell - 13

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nbas-most-wanted-top-30-summer-targets-via-trade-free-agency-or-the-nba-draft/amp/

Based on that list, I'd go for,


"9. Serge Ibaka | PF | Toronto Raptors

Ibaka isn't as good as several of the players after him. You can argue based on talent he's probably 10-12 spots too high. But two things:

1.He's plug-and-play. He can play the 4 or the 5, defend either spot, spread the floor or play inside, and doesn't need the ball to be effective.

2.He's 28 next season, giving him a longer range of productive seasons for (most likely) less than a max contract.

He doesn't match Ball's upside, but a team gets better with Ibaka, who likely will become a better leader as he mellows with age. "

[13th Man]

Redick makes sense on this team if

1) Had the Nets not acquired DLo. This was why Lin was working hard with him to come here.

2) If they intend on trading away Lin mid-season or use Lin as a 6th man which will likely result in him opting out end of season. A 20M signing is not going to be coming off the bench so it would likely be Lin.

The Nets back court is already crowded while the PF position isn't so someone like Ibaka would make more sense imo.

Lastly, there's a reason why Redick is regarded so low as below.

From the article:

"24. JJ Redick | SG | Los Angeles Clippers

Another guy who will help you win. Redick still is an elite shooter, and while his defense slid a bit this past season, he's still capable of being great in the right matchup. But he's on the back side of 30 and looking for a big-money deal. It's a large investment for a role player. "

[MrDollarBills]

Hypothetical, what if Aldridge forces his way out of SAS and theyre willing to accept any deal to wipe him off the cap.

Would BRK be interested in Aldridge coming over and becoming a focal point player to help relieve pressure off of the young guards?

Either BRK absorbs Aldridge outright, and eliminating the capspace, or perhaps sending back Booker/Hamilton if SAS so desires.

C - Mozgov, Allen, Acy, JHam?
PF- Aldridge, RHJ, Booker?
SF- Levert, Harris
SG- DLo, Skil, Whitehead
PG- Lin, Dimwiddie

Thats not a bad looking at all. Pretty damn balanced with scoring in the front an back court. Cap situation is still excellent as Aldridge has an opt out, JHam/Booker expires, but decisions will need to be made on the minimum wage brigade on whether to keep em or not to larger deal.

Of course with CP3 traded to HOU its alot less likely that SAS will bother to clean up capspace unless theyre gonna take a run at Blake Griffin, Gordon Hayward, and so on.

Aldridge is a dog. no thank you. That guy was out there in playoff games looking like he was going to fall asleep

[MrDollarBills]

Hypothetical, what if Aldridge forces his way out of SAS and theyre willing to accept any deal to wipe him off the cap.

Would BRK be interested in Aldridge coming over and becoming a focal point player to help relieve pressure off of the young guards?

Either BRK absorbs Aldridge outright, and eliminating the capspace, or perhaps sending back Booker/Hamilton if SAS so desires.

C - Mozgov, Allen, Acy, JHam?
PF- Aldridge, RHJ, Booker?
SF- Levert, Harris
SG- DLo, Skil, Whitehead
PG- Lin, Dimwiddie

Thats not a bad looking at all. Pretty damn balanced with scoring in the front an back court. Cap situation is still excellent as Aldridge has an opt out, JHam/Booker expires, but decisions will need to be made on the minimum wage brigade on whether to keep em or not to larger deal.

Of course with CP3 traded to HOU its alot less likely that SAS will bother to clean up capspace unless theyre gonna take a run at Blake Griffin, Gordon Hayward, and so on.

i wouldnt take aldridge for a top 55 protected second rounder.

He is 32, has all the same flaws as lopez (and hasnt proved he can stretch to 3 yet), refuses to play C, and if he couldnt find a way to make it work in SA im not sure how he would make it work here.

also... whats the point to bring him in if we arent trying to win? I think he has lopez impact or even less and a guy who was resistant to what the team asked him to do isnt the kind of attitude i want around my young guys

best case he inflated his numbers by playing in meaningless games, adds, a three puts up like 23/8 and we trade him at the deadline.

yeah hard pass

I would take Lopez over LMA any day of the week after what I saw from him. At least Lopez for his faults was engaged despite the losing. Aldridge was on a top 3 team and was flat out dogging it. I wouldn't trade a bag of balls for that dude. D-Will level effort.

[Prokorov]

Hypothetical, what if Aldridge forces his way out of SAS and theyre willing to accept any deal to wipe him off the cap.

Would BRK be interested in Aldridge coming over and becoming a focal point player to help relieve pressure off of the young guards?

Either BRK absorbs Aldridge outright, and eliminating the capspace, or perhaps sending back Booker/Hamilton if SAS so desires.

C - Mozgov, Allen, Acy, JHam?
PF- Aldridge, RHJ, Booker?
SF- Levert, Harris
SG- DLo, Skil, Whitehead
PG- Lin, Dimwiddie

Thats not a bad looking at all. Pretty damn balanced with scoring in the front an back court. Cap situation is still excellent as Aldridge has an opt out, JHam/Booker expires, but decisions will need to be made on the minimum wage brigade on whether to keep em or not to larger deal.

Of course with CP3 traded to HOU its alot less likely that SAS will bother to clean up capspace unless theyre gonna take a run at Blake Griffin, Gordon Hayward, and so on.

i wouldnt take aldridge for a top 55 protected second rounder.

He is 32, has all the same flaws as lopez (and hasnt proved he can stretch to 3 yet), refuses to play C, and if he couldnt find a way to make it work in SA im not sure how he would make it work here.

also... whats the point to bring him in if we arent trying to win? I think he has lopez impact or even less and a guy who was resistant to what the team asked him to do isnt the kind of attitude i want around my young guys

best case he inflated his numbers by playing in meaningless games, adds, a three puts up like 23/8 and we trade him at the deadline.

yeah hard pass

I would take Lopez over LMA any day of the week after what I saw from him. At least Lopez for his faults was engaged despite the losing. Aldridge was on a top 3 team and was flat out dogging it. I wouldn't trade a bag of balls for that dude. D-Will level effort.

Yup... everyone knows im not a huge lopez guy but i take him over LMA in a second. bringing in LMA would be the same thing as brook here only worse. only reason to bring him in would be to flip him for better assets later and i HATE that strategy

[MGrand15]

Interesting. You guys think Lopez could be a starter/heavy minute guy on a top 2 defensive team in the league? I don't think Aldridge is that bad.

Wouldn't give up huge assets for him but getting a legit scorer at a position of need on a 2 year deal would let our guys settle into their natural roles instead of forcing them to do too much. Perfect for our timeline.

[Prokorov]

Interesting. You guys think Lopez could be a starter/heavy minute guy on a top 2 defensive team in the league? I don't think Aldridge is that bad.

Wouldn't give up huge assets for him but getting a legit scorer at a position of need on a 2 year deal would let our guys settle into their natural roles instead of forcing them to do too much. Perfect for our timeline.

i think you could put lopez on the spurs in place of LMA and not much changes. they have too many quality players and they could sit lopez when they need stops. but to me thats irrelevant... its not what lopez would do on the spurs its what LMA would do here... which i think is not much and be disruptive an unhappy.

I also dont think that PF is a position of need and think RHJ needs more reps/big minutes there. and i dont want another low impact scorer... id rather see us balance the scoring among 4 or 5 guys then dump it to LMA for mid range jumpers and hook shots

[Ror1997]

CBS Sports did a ranking of the top 30 NBA players who were available this summer by FA, trade or draft - taking account of skill set, age and cost , among other things

Otto Porter was 17
Milsap. 10
Gallinari - 29

JJ Reddick - 24
DAngelo Russell - 13

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nbas-most-wanted-top-30-summer-targets-via-trade-free-agency-or-the-nba-draft/amp/

Based on that list, I'd go for,


"9. Serge Ibaka | PF | Toronto Raptors

Ibaka isn't as good as several of the players after him. You can argue based on talent he's probably 10-12 spots too high. But two things:

1.He's plug-and-play. He can play the 4 or the 5, defend either spot, spread the floor or play inside, and doesn't need the ball to be effective.

2.He's 28 next season, giving him a longer range of productive seasons for (most likely) less than a max contract.

He doesn't match Ball's upside, but a team gets better with Ibaka, who likely will become a better leader as he mellows with age. "

Its not your fault, but this is hilarious. The dude came into the league around 26 with a fake birth certificate saying he was 20. He's like 33 right now. I would stay away.

[13th Man]

^ Damn, that wouldn't surprise me, seems to me like he has regressed already from his OKC days.

[Mkdaman1818]

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[Prokorov]

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To me this was expected. I also dont think it means either is safe on the roster. but Marks wasnt going to cheat guys out of any money. I think Skil/Harris could still potentially be waived/traded after camp

[Prokorov]

new cap after options picked up... current cap stays the same, max cap is lowered

[Paradise]

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To me this was expected. I also dont think it means either is safe on the roster. but Marks wasnt going to cheat guys out of any money. I think Skil/Harris could still potentially be waived/traded after camp

Harris is obviously the odd man out now that it's clear we want Redick. We were still interested in Crabbe despite the contract and injury so there is a sense that we really want a Top 10 shooting specialist.

Harris did well here but he isn't that good. Kilpatrick still provides a need because Dinwiddie/Goodwin are still capable of being moved and he's a big part of the chemistry here.



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[Mkdaman1818]

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To me this was expected. I also dont think it means either is safe on the roster. but Marks wasnt going to cheat guys out of any money. I think Skil/Harris could still potentially be waived/traded after camp

Yeah probably depends on what happens via FA or trades, but they are definitely a decent contingency to have.

[Prokorov]

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To me this was expected. I also dont think it means either is safe on the roster. but Marks wasnt going to cheat guys out of any money. I think Skil/Harris could still potentially be waived/traded after camp

Harris is obviously the odd man out now that it's clear we want Redick. We were still interested in Crabbe despite the contract and injury so there is a sense that we really want a Top 10 shooting specialist.

Harris did well here but he isn't that good. Kilpatrick still provides a need because Dinwiddie/Goodwin are still capable of being moved and he's a big part of the chemistry here.



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Harris is better then crabbe. and i think we need shooting. even with reddick i think skil would go first. but i can see either moved

[TinmanZBoy]

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nice move, Joe is a keeper, injury derailed his season...hopefully we will see a much better Joe this season... I have mixed feelings about Sean, a pretty good scorer but almost nothing else...