2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

iqureshi · Post #261 » by **iqureshi** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:08 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Just entered the draft, might go undrafted or mid 2nd round. Could definitely use his size on a rookie deal.

Feel to be functional in the NBA he still needs to drop 30ish pounds. I don't know if his frame will allow that

sco · Post #262 » by **sco** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:44 pm

I'm definitely not tied to drafting a big in the first round. I am all aboard the draft BPA, no matter what. Now that will be tested if we draft another PG, but I'd stand by AK if he did. Other than PG, we could use an upgrade at backup SG (or at least Coby trade insurance), backup SF (with an again Demar), in addition to PF/C needs already documented.

The roster problem at backup C is that we have Marko eating up a roster spot and Bradley possibly exercising his player option. Neither guy costs much, but I don't like having them both eating roster spots if we're still on the hunt for a backup C. That said, I really don't hate Bradley. He's done a better job at rim protection and rebounding than he's been given credit for.

I'm still rooting for a Vuc upgrade using Coby and/or our 1st.

TheSuzerain · Post #263 » by **TheSuzerain** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:50 pm

Even Mark Williams seems bland to me. Great length and heady enough to know his limitations and adjust accordingly. But not skilled. Not explosive.

He's a Safe bet to contribute as a rotation player. And there's value in that. But I feel like we could accomplish similar through free agency.

Charlesareed · Post #264 » by **Charlesareed** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:29 pm

iqureshi wrote:
biggestbullsfan wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Just entered the draft, might go undrafted or mid 2nd round. Could definitely use his size on a rookie deal.

Feel to be functional in the NBA he still needs to drop 30ish pounds. I don't know if his frame will allow that

Id love for the bulls to draft him he’d be a great pick up for us his defense needs some improvement but he can work on that he’s young

Post #265 » by **Michael Jackson** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:13 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Even Mark Williams seems bland to me. Great length and heady enough to know his limitations and adjust accordingly. But not skilled. Not explosive.

He's a Safe bet to contribute as a rotation player. And there's value in that. But I feel like we could accomplish similar through free agency.

Yeah Mark Williams should definitely be a NBA rotation player but like you there is nothing that wows me to think that he is something special. Not bad by any means but I would rather swing for the fences for sure

PlayerUp · Post #266 » by **PlayerUp** » Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:48 pm

Go with the highest ceiling player position doesn't matter.

biggestbullsfan · Post #267 » by **biggestbullsfan** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:19 am

mlitney01 wrote:
uppantera wrote:
biggestbullsfan wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Just entered the draft, might go undrafted or mid 2nd round. Could definitely use his size on a rookie deal.

A lot of parallels to Ayo last year. If he somehow falls to us in the second round, we'd be crazy not to pick him. The size and low post scoring potential is elite. Kofi has also made big strides with his rim protection. The criticism of him has always been his ability to thrive in the modern NBA. What you have to understand though is that Kofi didn't start playing basketball till he was a teenager. Before that he played soccer and still has that footwork and agility from that time in his life. He's still playing catch up from a skill standpoint but he's come a tremendous distance in the past three years. I think I've watched every game during his time at Illinois and Kofi has the athleticism to continue growing his game. Truly believe there's a very high ceiling in this kid.

I wouldn't mind taking Kofi with a mid-to-late 2nd round pick. Unfortunately, we don't own a 2nd round pick this year, and I'm doubtful that ownership is willing to buy one. Or that AKME would consider trading assets for one.

Depending on how far he falls, we could probably just by a second rounder to get him honestly lol

PlayerUp · Post #268 » by **PlayerUp** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:15 am

biggestbullsfan wrote:
mlitney01 wrote:
uppantera wrote:
A lot of parallels to Ayo last year. If he somehow falls to us in the second round, we'd be crazy not to pick him. The size and low post scoring potential is elite. Kofi has also made big strides with his rim protection. The criticism of him has always been his ability to thrive in the modern NBA. What you have to understand though is that Kofi didn't start playing basketball till he was a teenager. Before that he played soccer and still has that footwork and agility from that time in his life. He's still playing catch up from a skill standpoint but he's come a tremendous distance in the past three years. I think I've watched every game during his time at Illinois and Kofi has the athleticism to continue growing his game. Truly believe there's a very high ceiling in this kid.

I wouldn't mind taking Kofi with a mid-to-late 2nd round pick. Unfortunately, we don't own a 2nd round pick this year, and I'm doubtful that ownership is willing to buy one. Or that AKME would consider trading assets for one.

Depending on how far he falls, we could probably just by a second rounder to get him honestly lol

We might need to do this to fill our reserve bench this offseason buying a 2nd. If the Bulls intend to use the TPE/MLE then they'll have to make cuts somewhere to lower the tax bill and makes sense instead of paying a full minimum salary for a 13th, 14th, 15th player they instead buy a 2nd and use that which costs significantly less.

PlayerUp · Post #269 » by **PlayerUp** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:18 am

Michael Jackson wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Even Mark Williams seems bland to me. Great length and heady enough to know his limitations and adjust accordingly. But not skilled. Not explosive.

He's a Safe bet to contribute as a rotation player. And there's value in that. But I feel like we could accomplish similar through free agency.

Yeah Mark Williams should definitely be a NBA rotation player but like you there is nothing that wows me to think that he is something special. Not bad by any means but I would rather swing for the fences for sure

Agree.

We need to get risky here. Guys like Mark Williams you can easily find in free agency. I mean look at the centers who are free agents this summer and look what they are being paid. All of these players can do what Mark Williams will eventually do when he reaches his ceiling.

Ivica Zubac - $7m
JaVale McGee - $5m
Robin Lopez - $5m
Dwight - $2.6m
Whiteside - $2.4m
Drummond - $2.4m
Hartenstein - $1.7m
Mitchell Robinson - $1.6m
etc etc

Post #270 » by **GimmeDat** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:06 am

ghostinthepost1 wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Okay, so I've looked into Agbaji, Liddell, Branham, Sochan and a few others today. Haven't watched any few games, but my impression is somewhat like this -

Tier 1

Dyson Daniels
Malaki Branham
Ousmane Dieng

Tier 2

Ochai Agbaji
Jaden Hardy

Tier 3

EJ Liddell
Jeremy Sochan

Tier 4

Nikola Jovic
Patrick Baldwin Jr

Obviously someone like Eason dropping would be exceptional but I'm assuming he's not a realistic dropper. Seems like Mark Williams should heavily be in the conversation at 18 as well if he's there, I don't feel great about drafting a big like that, but he clearly has some innate qualities that would help us with some immediate issues.

Big disagree on Sochan being in Tier 3, I absolutely love the guy. Might be the best all around defensive player in the draft and his play making ability at the size really raises his floor. Plus we all saw how stagnant the offense became with Lonzo out, the Bulls need as many play makers as they can get.

Definitely open to that, I'll have to watch more.

WindyCityBorn · Post #271 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:39 am

PlayerUp wrote:Go with the highest ceiling player position doesn't matter.

Yeah not on board with drafting for need. BPA. Hopefully that best player is 6’10” or taller though.

Am2626 · Post #272 » by **Am2626** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:55 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Even Mark Williams seems bland to me. Great length and heady enough to know his limitations and adjust accordingly. But not skilled. Not explosive.

He's a Safe bet to contribute as a rotation player. And there's value in that. But I feel like we could accomplish similar through free agency.

Yeah Mark Williams should definitely be a NBA rotation player but like you there is nothing that wows me to think that he is something special. Not bad by any means but I would rather swing for the fences for sure

At 18 who realistically can the Bulls get that is being projected as a special talent? Someone like that won’t drop that far in the draft. I don’t even think Mark Williams will still be on the board when the Bulls pick at 18.

Post #273 » by **Michael Jackson** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:34 am

Am2626 wrote:
Michael Jackson wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Even Mark Williams seems bland to me. Great length and heady enough to know his limitations and adjust accordingly. But not skilled. Not explosive.

He's a Safe bet to contribute as a rotation player. And there's value in that. But I feel like we could accomplish similar through free agency.

Yeah Mark Williams should definitely be a NBA rotation player but like you there is nothing that wows me to think that he is something special. Not bad by any means but I would rather swing for the fences for sure

At 18 who realistically can the Bulls get that is being projected as a special talent? Someone like that won’t drop that far in the draft. I don’t even think Mark Williams will still be on the board when the Bulls pick at 18.

A surefire talent? No one at 18 but you can also take a swing at the fences with someone there instead of going "solid". I would rather take a best potential available there over just a solid rotation guy.

Am2626 · Post #274 » by **Am2626** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:55 am

Michael Jackson wrote:
Am2626 wrote:
Michael Jackson wrote:

Yeah Mark Williams should definitely be a NBA rotation player but like you there is nothing that wows me to think that he is something special. Not bad by any means but I would rather swing for the fences for sure

At 18 who realistically can the Bulls get that is being projected as a special talent? Someone like that won’t drop that far in the draft. I don’t even think Mark Williams will still be on the board when the Bulls pick at 18.

A surefire talent? No one at 18 but you can also take a swing at the fences with someone there instead of going "solid". I would rather take a best potential available there over just a solid rotation guy.

I think Mark Williams has a lot of upside and talent. He was a McDonald’s All American in high school and he showed elite defensive talent and shot blocking in the NCAA tournament. At 18 the Bulls should be very happy to get him there but I don’t see him falling to 18 anymore.

JohnnyTapwater · Post #275 » by **JohnnyTapwater** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:40 am

I think Jaden Hardy has the highest ceiling from any player that could be available at 18.

Am2626 · Post #276 » by **Am2626** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:48 pm

JohnnyTapwater wrote:I think Jaden Hardy has the highest ceiling from any player that could be available at 18.

That may be true but the Bulls don’t need to draft another guard that may or may not pan out. Even if Hardy does work out the Bulls already have LaVine. Hardy could be great but he could also be a complete bust.

Jcool0 · Post #277 » by **Jcool0** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:15 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:
mlitney01 wrote:
uppantera wrote:
A lot of parallels to Ayo last year. If he somehow falls to us in the second round, we'd be crazy not to pick him. The size and low post scoring potential is elite. Kofi has also made big strides with his rim protection. The criticism of him has always been his ability to thrive in the modern NBA. What you have to understand though is that Kofi didn't start playing basketball till he was a teenager. Before that he played soccer and still has that footwork and agility from that time in his life. He's still playing catch up from a skill standpoint but he's come a tremendous distance in the past three years. I think I've watched every game during his time at Illinois and Kofi has the athleticism to continue growing his game. Truly believe there's a very high ceiling in this kid.

I wouldn't mind taking Kofi with a mid-to-late 2nd round pick. Unfortunately, we don't own a 2nd round pick this year, and I'm doubtful that ownership is willing to buy one. Or that AKME would consider trading assets for one.

Depending on how far he falls, we could probably just by a second rounder to get him honestly lol

He wont get drafted so you can just get him as a FA. Most likely he will be in the G-League next year.

Chi town · Post #278 » by **Chi town** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:44 pm

Draft the next Desmond Bane

GoBlue72391 · Post #279 » by **GoBlue72391** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:54 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:Go with the highest ceiling player position doesn't matter.

Yeah not on board with drafting for need. BPA. Hopefully that best player is 6’10” or taller though.

There's rarely, if ever, a situation where drafting for need instead of BPA is the correct move. And if there is a situation where it's the right decision, we're not in that situation, so needless to say I'm definitely on board with BPA.

GoBlue72391 · Post #280 » by **GoBlue72391** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:57 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:
Am2626 wrote:
Michael Jackson wrote:

Yeah Mark Williams should definitely be a NBA rotation player but like you there is nothing that wows me to think that he is something special. Not bad by any means but I would rather swing for the fences for sure

At 18 who realistically can the Bulls get that is being projected as a special talent? Someone like that won’t drop that far in the draft. I don’t even think Mark Williams will still be on the board when the Bulls pick at 18.

A surefire talent? No one at 18 but you can also take a swing at the fences with someone there instead of going "solid". I would rather take a best potential available there over just a solid rotation guy.

Yeah, this. I haven't been following this draft, but taking a guy at 18 with, say, athleticism, length, and potential but unrefined skills which caused him to drop out of the lottery has a better chance of potentially being a special talent rather than taking a high floor, low ceiling guy.

One of those G League Ignite guys could be that type of player that falls out of the lottery but still has serious potential if everything goes right for them.

If Bulls keep the pick, who should they select?