Zach Edey, 7-4

[King Ken]

I also want to know what Atlanta does that could propel Reddish and Edey to MVPs that no other team could replicate.

I got to ask you a question.

I responded to your questions in the last page in detail. Addressed everything. Now you seem to take a shot at me for no reason after I addressed everything for you respectfully.

So where do we do this disrespect thing on here?

First it was that kid I had to block and now you who are throughly addressed and I provided details, did I not?

I still never said what you are accusing me of with Reddish which I literally addressed in the last page. And how many times I got to say that,

At this point, you just being a troll. Because I literally went into details for just you on the last page which you didn't respond to. Either you didn't read it or you did and didn't care.

If I addressed everything you said in the last page and you continue to push false narratives I've never said, then you just trolling.

Where do you get this narrative on Reddish? I've never said that with him ever. Ever! And yes I missed on him, explained in detail on the last page and was high on him in general as a prospect for his upside which everyone with eyesight could see. But okay, continue to push this false narrative. You're block anyway.

I've never seen posters on any site continue to push false narratives like some on here do. It's insanity if you ask me.

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This you? On page 23 you said:

He isn't your typical 3/D and I don't think he will ever be but he is a rare prospect if used correctly could be the best player in the NBA and if used incorrectly can be a tough piece to add to most puzzles

And more importantly on page 22:

I think he is generational in the right system and probably average in the average or above average system. Luckily for him, he went to the Hawks. I remember 15 years ago when that was a bad thing. Anyway, his weaknesses will be extremely difficult to expose and Atlanta can and should play to his strengths. This is as rare a prospect there is if used right.

I think Cam Reddish can break the NBA.

You gonna go edit those posts now, or are you gonna apologize for saying I made up the narrative that you have repeatedly said the Hawks system would turn specific players into generational talent? Cam went to the Hawks like you wished for, and we haven’t seen any proof that the Hawks system is an MVP maker of anyone, much less a scrub like Cam. We clearly questioned you on it at the time, you can re-read the entire page where Clyde is asking why the Hawks system specifically makws him generational.

Ps, no one is clowning you for missing on prospects. We all do, plenty of people liked Cam.

Double PS: don’t call someone a liar when they are petty and will read through 35 pages from 2020 to find receipts.

I was wrong on Reddish and addressed it on the previous page. I don't recall saying saying anything about the Hawks on this sub on Reddish and if I did and forget, I forgot. It's easy to forget when you miss on anything just like it's easy to remember all your hits because you were right and it worked in your favor. That's common sense. We all do that.

The idea of Cam Reddish is an amazing player. A force. A supreme talent. You don't have many NBA players like Anthony Edwards, Naz Reid, Zion, and many others prasing him for no reason.

The problem is the reality of Cam Reddish is a bad player.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/cam-reddish

He was in college and he was in the NBA and as the Hawk organization said many times over, we can't want it for you more than you want it for yourself. I can't want it for Cam Reddish more than he wants it for himself.

At this time, I still didn't know Trae game fully yet as I do now. I would have never said that now knowing Trae but back then, I just didn't have the insight of his game to that level of detail. He was still really young and still growing, I thought becoming a floor general would happen with time. So on every front, I was wrong on that statement i said to Clyde. On Cam, Cam being a great fit with Trae, etc. Now that I know Trae, even Cam the idea of him as a stud wasn't a good fit but at that time I didn't know. Now I know what works around Trae. I have many years of evidence and I know what fits around him. I didn't going into his 2nd year. None of us really did. He was too young.

I ain't editing ****, I stand on ten toes religiously, if I said it. I stand on it. I was wrong on Cam and said as much a page ago and often in general. Brought into his talent and blamed Duke for his struggles and our lack of spacing. Cam was a part of the reason we had poor spacing but I didn't feel that way at the time. I own that error in judgement.

Cam talent is special. People still see it. LeBron saw it. Many of his peers see it. But there is so much to the game. Cam had the most weaknesses I've ever seen from a player that I've evaluated in the NBA. Said as much on the board. More than even Josh Smith. If I judged Cam the way I should have, I still would have liked him and wanted to see if it worked since I didn't have access to his personality assessments but I would have went into a lot more detail than just his talents along. I believe you need to cover all ascepts of a player to get a proper assessment and I didn't do that with Cam. I didn't do that with Cameron Johnson either and he was an excellent player. I should have evaluated him like I did Brandon Clarke.

But you live and you learn. You realize where you had faults. Mo Bamba, Bagley, and Ayton was a learning experience for me. If you can't learn from your mistakes and even wins like Jalen Williams, the you are bound to continue the same mistake over and over again.

You must have lost your damn mind asking for an apology to your rude and ignorant ass. I'll rather die. Maybe if you were respectful and kind, I would gladly. It's nothing for me to apologize to anyone but never for you.

[JMAC3]

Question here... If Atlanta is just this perfect incubator for Centers ala the whole Edey thesis going on here... does that mean Onyeka is actually pretty bad at basketball? The guy was the 6th pick and has been pretty underwhelming despite all the Hawks center synergy that apparently exists. Would he be an awful pro if he was on the other 29 teams?

[King Ken]

Question here... If Atlanta is just this perfect incubator for Centers ala the whole Edey thesis going on here... does that mean Onyeka is actually pretty bad at basketball? The guy was the 6th pick and has been pretty underwhelming despite all the Hawks center synergy that apparently exists. Would he be an awful pro if he was on the other 29 teams?

OO is a good overall player. Elite iso big man defender and he's insanely efficient with Trae but his feel for the game, screen setting, movement off the ball and BBIQ just leaves a lot be desired. Generally high motor which is back, for some reason he was gone for most of the 1st half of the season.

Tremendous athlete, strong for his size but too undersized, always late mentally on offense or defense. At best just on the ball defensively and not playing guys who bait like Sabonis but playing guys who like to bring it like Embiid and Giannis.

My personal opinion is OO is a 4 but I don't know if he fits the modern NBA as a 4. He switches well but his perimeter defense is a foul magnet. He's just lacks discipline on both ends. That said, he's clearly better than our other washed big.

Offensively, he's more talented than Capela but Clint is sound at what he is. OO isn't and its kinda hard to know what to expect offensively. He's not the best rim runner which is odd for his athletic ability. Tremendous shot blocker and rim protector. Tremendous at close outs. Really good at defending in space within the 3pt line. He's a pretty darn good defender but man, you gotta be able to paint protect when you have a defense with Trae on it. He's too easy to exploit and that leads to points in the paint. Clint in his prime was really good at paint protection. That Knicks series was hell on the Knicks because of Capela and no one else.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Question here... If Atlanta is just this perfect incubator for Centers ala the whole Edey thesis going on here... does that mean Onyeka is actually pretty bad at basketball? The guy was the 6th pick and has been pretty underwhelming despite all the Hawks center synergy that apparently exists. Would he be an awful pro if he was on the other 29 teams?

Okongwu is like 6'9" and should never have been taken high in the draft. He's exactly what I thought he'd be. An undersized backup, minutes eating "center" that is pretty irrelevant. Duren and Bona both have better size than him but are similar prospects. Too small to defend actual centers and too offensively challenged to punish traditional centers in return from the perimeter or in the PnR game. Of course any starter getting minutes can produce but it doesn't make them difference makers.

Edey, like Sheppard, is a great example of how a player can be great in college but won't translate to the pros. Not to say they won't get drafted or that they won't play, but that they aren't starting caliber NBA talents and that's okay. It doesn't diminish what they're accomplishing in college. There's just a baseline NBA players need to possess as far as size and athleticism and they simply don't measure up.

[HadAnEffectHere]

The Hawks are the worst possible fit for Edey. Quin is philosophically opposed to low post play and Edey needs 20+ low post touches a game to succeed.

[King Ken]

Question here... If Atlanta is just this perfect incubator for Centers ala the whole Edey thesis going on here... does that mean Onyeka is actually pretty bad at basketball? The guy was the 6th pick and has been pretty underwhelming despite all the Hawks center synergy that apparently exists. Would he be an awful pro if he was on the other 29 teams?

Okongwu is like 6'9" and should never have been taken high in the draft. He's exactly what I thought he'd be. An undersized backup, minutes eating "center" that is pretty irrelevant. Duren and Bona both have better size than him but are similar prospects. Too small to defend actual centers and too offensively challenged to punish traditional centers in return from the perimeter or in the PnR game. Of course any starter getting minutes can produce but it doesn't make them difference makers.

Edey, like Sheppard, is a great example of how a player can be great in college but won't translate to the pros. Not to say they won't get drafted or that they won't play, but that they aren't starting caliber NBA talents and that's okay. It doesn't diminish what they're accomplishing in college. There's just a baseline NBA players need to possess as far as size and athleticism and they simply don't measure up.

Al Horford is 6'9 and he was one of our best players ever. OO being 6'9 isn't that big of a deal in the modern NBA. But you gotta get better each year and you gotta have the mental part of the game down pact which he does not.

You don't like Sheppard. You don't like none of the players I love in this class. Sheppard is literally my #1 prospect in this class if I had to choose one.

The Hawks are the worst possible fit for Edey. Quin is philosophically opposed to low post play and Edey needs 20+ low post touches a game to succeed.

I think ya'll overvalue his post game. It's not even that good. It's his movement, body control, feel for the game, motor, activity, and positioning that's his on the block value. His screens are more valuable than his post game which lacks a lot of diversity.

Ya'll also undervalue his athleticism for his size which is freakish.

As for the Hawks take, yeah, let's just say I don't agree at all but then again, his post play is not why he's a fit.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Question here... If Atlanta is just this perfect incubator for Centers ala the whole Edey thesis going on here... does that mean Onyeka is actually pretty bad at basketball? The guy was the 6th pick and has been pretty underwhelming despite all the Hawks center synergy that apparently exists. Would he be an awful pro if he was on the other 29 teams?

Okongwu is like 6'9" and should never have been taken high in the draft. He's exactly what I thought he'd be. An undersized backup, minutes eating "center" that is pretty irrelevant. Duren and Bona both have better size than him but are similar prospects. Too small to defend actual centers and too offensively challenged to punish traditional centers in return from the perimeter or in the PnR game. Of course any starter getting minutes can produce but it doesn't make them difference makers.

Edey, like Sheppard, is a great example of how a player can be great in college but won't translate to the pros. Not to say they won't get drafted or that they won't play, but that they aren't starting caliber NBA talents and that's okay. It doesn't diminish what they're accomplishing in college. There's just a baseline NBA players need to possess as far as size and athleticism and they simply don't measure up.

Al Horford is 6'9 and he was one of our best players ever. OO being 6'9 isn't that big of a deal in the modern NBA. But you gotta get better each year and you gotta have the mental part of the game down pact which he does not.

You don't like Sheppard. You don't like none of the players I love in this class. Sheppard is literally my #1 prospect in this class if I had to choose one.

The Hawks are the worst possible fit for Edey. Quin is philosophically opposed to low post play and Edey needs 20+ low post touches a game to succeed.

I think ya'll overvalue his post game. It's not even that good. It's his movement, body control, feel for the game, motor, activity, and positioning that's his on the block value. His screens are more valuable than his post game which lacks a lot of diversity.

Ya'll also undervalue his athleticism for his size which is freakish.

As for the Hawks take, yeah, let's just say I don't agree at all but then again, his post play is not why he's a fit.

I love Sheppard. He's among my favorite players in college right now. Just because I don't think he's a great NBA prospect doesn't mean I don't appreciate his play. I just know what it requires to play guard as a starter in the NBA based on watching for 40 years. People love to bring up Trae who is even smaller but Trae has a much better handle allowing his equally high BBIQ to generate offense for himself and for his teammates with his elite passing. And even then, Trae is THE reason the Hawks will never win a championship because he's such a liability on defense imo. So why take a much lesser version of Trae in the lottery let alone top 10 or top 5 as people suggest? What's the best case scenario?

Do people really think he's Mark Price 2.0? If he had a better handle and was quicker I could get on board with that but imho he doesn't. Maybe he could get there but you can't develop and produce if you can't get on the floor. If you told me right now that he'd be drafted by a bad team, allowed to start and develop alongside other young players then I'd change my opinion. But that doesn't seem likely. He's almost guaranteed to be headed towards a Payton Pritchard type career. If he's drafted by the Kings I will literally go out and buy his jersey lol.

Just because Horford is the same height (think he's actually 6'10" tbh) doesn't mean he's a good comp with those guys. Horford was capable of guarding the perimeter much better and he can punish bigger guys by taking them out of the paint with his shooting which those guys can't do. I also think Horford is just better in every way imaginable. One of the most underrated players in NBA history.

[King Ken]

Okongwu is like 6'9" and should never have been taken high in the draft. He's exactly what I thought he'd be. An undersized backup, minutes eating "center" that is pretty irrelevant. Duren and Bona both have better size than him but are similar prospects. Too small to defend actual centers and too offensively challenged to punish traditional centers in return from the perimeter or in the PnR game. Of course any starter getting minutes can produce but it doesn't make them difference makers.

Edey, like Sheppard, is a great example of how a player can be great in college but won't translate to the pros. Not to say they won't get drafted or that they won't play, but that they aren't starting caliber NBA talents and that's okay. It doesn't diminish what they're accomplishing in college. There's just a baseline NBA players need to possess as far as size and athleticism and they simply don't measure up.

Al Horford is 6'9 and he was one of our best players ever. OO being 6'9 isn't that big of a deal in the modern NBA. But you gotta get better each year and you gotta have the mental part of the game down pact which he does not.

You don't like Sheppard. You don't like none of the players I love in this class. Sheppard is literally my #1 prospect in this class if I had to choose one.

The Hawks are the worst possible fit for Edey. Quin is philosophically opposed to low post play and Edey needs 20+ low post touches a game to succeed.

I think ya'll overvalue his post game. It's not even that good. It's his movement, body control, feel for the game, motor, activity, and positioning that's his on the block value. His screens are more valuable than his post game which lacks a lot of diversity.

Ya'll also undervalue his athleticism for his size which is freakish.

As for the Hawks take, yeah, let's just say I don't agree at all but then again, his post play is not why he's a fit.

I love Sheppard. He's among my favorite players in college right now. Just because I don't think he's a great NBA prospect doesn't mean I don't appreciate his play. I just know what it requires to play guard as a starter in the NBA based on watching for 40 years. People love to bring up Trae who is even smaller but Trae has a much better handle allowing his equally high BBIQ to generate offense for himself and for his teammates with his elite passing. And even then, Trae is THE reason the Hawks will never win a championship because he's such a liability on defense imo. So why take a much lesser version of Trae in the lottery let alone top 10 or top 5 as people suggest? What's the best case scenario?

Do people really think he's Mark Price 2.0? If he had a better handle and was quicker I could get on board with that but imho he doesn't. Maybe he could get there but you can't develop and produce if you can't get on the floor. If you told me right now that he'd be drafted by a bad team, allowed to start and develop alongside other young players then I'd change my opinion. But that doesn't seem likely. He's almost guaranteed to be headed towards a Payton Pritchard type career. If he's drafted by the Kings I will literally go out and buy his jersey lol.

Just because Horford is the same height (think he's actually 6'10" tbh) doesn't mean he's a good comp with those guys. Horford was capable of guarding the perimeter much better and he can punish bigger guys by taking them out of the paint with his shooting which those guys can't do. I also think Horford is just better in every way imaginable. One of the most underrated players in NBA history.

I know this thread has nothing to do with Sheppard but I am curious to hear you out for sure.

Yeah, I think Mark Price in about 3 years is a possibility offensively. Defensively, he sky is the limit once his awareness massively improves on that end. His awareness like most OAD is pretty terrible but his BBIQ is high and you definitely see the feel for the game with Sheppard.

Trae is heliocentric af, Sheppard is not. Don't expect what Trae does from Sheppard. Two completely different player types.

Trae's defense is bad because of his size, lack of athleticism and lack of strength. His improvement of late is due to his defensive awareness going up. Sheppard has that in spades.

I thought he all learned from Brunson that change of direction is just as critical for a PG. Sheppard does that as well as any guard. He can also mix up his pace as well.

I definitely think he will need for his awareness to catch up to his Basketball skill level but he's miles better than Pritchard long term as a prospect. I believe he can be a top 15 player in 4 years. He plays the right way. Makes quick decisions and can play with or without the rock. I am a huge fan of Sheppard on this level and potentially on the next. He will need some time to adjust to being a full time PG but it's 3-4 years from now is why you draft Reed.

I don't believe I ever made the comp. I am just saying that being 6'9 is not a killer for the modern NBA at the 5 and used Al as the example.

You aren't going to get any disagreement on Al from me. Any Hawk fan who knows me knows how I feel about Al.

[NO-KG-AI]

I got to ask you a question.

I responded to your questions in the last page in detail. Addressed everything. Now you seem to take a shot at me for no reason after I addressed everything for you respectfully.

So where do we do this disrespect thing on here?

First it was that kid I had to block and now you who are throughly addressed and I provided details, did I not?

I still never said what you are accusing me of with Reddish which I literally addressed in the last page. And how many times I got to say that,

At this point, you just being a troll. Because I literally went into details for just you on the last page which you didn't respond to. Either you didn't read it or you did and didn't care.

If I addressed everything you said in the last page and you continue to push false narratives I've never said, then you just trolling.

Where do you get this narrative on Reddish? I've never said that with him ever. Ever! And yes I missed on him, explained in detail on the last page and was high on him in general as a prospect for his upside which everyone with eyesight could see. But okay, continue to push this false narrative. You're block anyway.

I've never seen posters on any site continue to push false narratives like some on here do. It's insanity if you ask me.

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This you? On page 23 you said:

He isn't your typical 3/D and I don't think he will ever be but he is a rare prospect if used correctly could be the best player in the NBA and if used incorrectly can be a tough piece to add to most puzzles

And more importantly on page 22:

I think he is generational in the right system and probably average in the average or above average system. Luckily for him, he went to the Hawks. I remember 15 years ago when that was a bad thing. Anyway, his weaknesses will be extremely difficult to expose and Atlanta can and should play to his strengths. This is as rare a prospect there is if used right.

I think Cam Reddish can break the NBA.

You gonna go edit those posts now, or are you gonna apologize for saying I made up the narrative that you have repeatedly said the Hawks system would turn specific players into generational talent? Cam went to the Hawks like you wished for, and we haven’t seen any proof that the Hawks system is an MVP maker of anyone, much less a scrub like Cam. We clearly questioned you on it at the time, you can re-read the entire page where Clyde is asking why the Hawks system specifically makws him generational.

Ps, no one is clowning you for missing on prospects. We all do, plenty of people liked Cam.

Double PS: don’t call someone a liar when they are petty and will read through 35 pages from 2020 to find receipts.

I was wrong on Reddish and addressed it on the previous page. I don't recall saying saying anything about the Hawks on this sub on Reddish and if I did and forget, I forgot. It's easy to forget when you miss on anything just like it's easy to remember all your hits because you were right and it worked in your favor. That's common sense. We all do that.

The idea of Cam Reddish is an amazing player. A force. A supreme talent. You don't have many NBA players like Anthony Edwards, Naz Reid, Zion, and many others prasing him for no reason.

The problem is the reality of Cam Reddish is a bad player.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/cam-reddish

He was in college and he was in the NBA and as the Hawk organization said many times over, we can't want it for you more than you want it for yourself. I can't want it for Cam Reddish more than he wants it for himself.

At this time, I still didn't know Trae game fully yet as I do now. I would have never said that now knowing Trae but back then, I just didn't have the insight of his game to that level of detail. He was still really young and still growing, I thought becoming a floor general would happen with time. So on every front, I was wrong on that statement i said to Clyde. On Cam, Cam being a great fit with Trae, etc. Now that I know Trae, even Cam the idea of him as a stud wasn't a good fit but at that time I didn't know. Now I know what works around Trae. I have many years of evidence and I know what fits around him. I didn't going into his 2nd year. None of us really did. He was too young.

I ain't editing ****, I stand on ten toes religiously, if I said it. I stand on it. I was wrong on Cam and said as much a page ago and often in general. Brought into his talent and blamed Duke for his struggles and our lack of spacing. Cam was a part of the reason we had poor spacing but I didn't feel that way at the time. I own that error in judgement.

Cam talent is special. People still see it. LeBron saw it. Many of his peers see it. But there is so much to the game. Cam had the most weaknesses I've ever seen from a player that I've evaluated in the NBA. Said as much on the board. More than even Josh Smith. If I judged Cam the way I should have, I still would have liked him and wanted to see if it worked since I didn't have access to his personality assessments but I would have went into a lot more detail than just his talents along. I believe you need to cover all ascepts of a player to get a proper assessment and I didn't do that with Cam. I didn't do that with Cameron Johnson either and he was an excellent player. I should have evaluated him like I did Brandon Clarke.

But you live and you learn. You realize where you had faults. Mo Bamba, Bagley, and Ayton was a learning experience for me. If you can't learn from your mistakes and even wins like Jalen Williams, the you are bound to continue the same mistake over and over again.

You must have lost your damn mind asking for an apology to your rude and ignorant ass. I'll rather die. Maybe if you were respectful and kind, I would gladly. It's nothing for me to apologize to anyone but never for you.

Cam is a no talent scrub, and always has been, there has never been a single generational trait about him, but that’s never been the issue I had with your analysis of Cam, or now Edey. I don’t see anything egregious or that bad about any of your particular analysis of any players in particular… but


You danced around the topic and circled all the way back around and didn’t touch the main issue: You claim these guys will basically end up busts unless they are on the Hawks, in which case they will not only make it, but they will be MVP or in your words, generational.

I’m not sure if it’s hedging(IE, he was a scrub, but would have been a GOAT in Atl!) or if it’s extreme homerism.

It would feel weird even if it were someone like the Spurs or Heat who have a history of drawing talent out of people, but the Hawks? Lmao. They do nothing special in terms of unlocking guys offensively or player development.

It’s just strange and baffling analysis, but I’m fascinated. We’ve seen no instances of guys going from scrub to generational just based on the team… but you think that mold breaker is the Hawks?

Apology accepted.

[JustBuzzin]

Any chance the Spurs shock the world take Edey with the #1 pick?

Pop creates twin towers 2.0 7'6 Wemby 7'4 Edey


Wowzers!

[The-Power]

Any chance the Spurs shock the world take Edey with the #1 pick?

[BlazersBroncos]

I can absolutley see SAS grabbing him but certainly not with their own FRP.

I want SAS to end up w/ Matas, Sheppard and Edey. Not sure how lol.

[ItsDanger]

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[JMAC3]

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Yeah monster, he just needs Larry Brown to get back into coaching and give him 20 post touches vs 6-8 and 6-9 guys. Even his pnr baskets look like they are in slow motion.

[ItsDanger]

The video just serves to highlight plays. There was only one roll in the video. Not every big can score effectively via jump hooks. Figure out why.

[JMAC3]

The video just serves to highlight plays. There was only one roll in the video. Not every big can score effectively via jump hooks. Figure out why.

Probably because he is 8 inches taller than the guy guarding him? Any real 7 footer with any type of athleticism in the NBA is not struggling vs this.

[King Ken]

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This you? On page 23 you said:



And more importantly on page 22:



You gonna go edit those posts now, or are you gonna apologize for saying I made up the narrative that you have repeatedly said the Hawks system would turn specific players into generational talent? Cam went to the Hawks like you wished for, and we haven’t seen any proof that the Hawks system is an MVP maker of anyone, much less a scrub like Cam. We clearly questioned you on it at the time, you can re-read the entire page where Clyde is asking why the Hawks system specifically makws him generational.

Ps, no one is clowning you for missing on prospects. We all do, plenty of people liked Cam.

Double PS: don’t call someone a liar when they are petty and will read through 35 pages from 2020 to find receipts.

I was wrong on Reddish and addressed it on the previous page. I don't recall saying saying anything about the Hawks on this sub on Reddish and if I did and forget, I forgot. It's easy to forget when you miss on anything just like it's easy to remember all your hits because you were right and it worked in your favor. That's common sense. We all do that.

The idea of Cam Reddish is an amazing player. A force. A supreme talent. You don't have many NBA players like Anthony Edwards, Naz Reid, Zion, and many others prasing him for no reason.

The problem is the reality of Cam Reddish is a bad player.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/cam-reddish

He was in college and he was in the NBA and as the Hawk organization said many times over, we can't want it for you more than you want it for yourself. I can't want it for Cam Reddish more than he wants it for himself.

At this time, I still didn't know Trae game fully yet as I do now. I would have never said that now knowing Trae but back then, I just didn't have the insight of his game to that level of detail. He was still really young and still growing, I thought becoming a floor general would happen with time. So on every front, I was wrong on that statement i said to Clyde. On Cam, Cam being a great fit with Trae, etc. Now that I know Trae, even Cam the idea of him as a stud wasn't a good fit but at that time I didn't know. Now I know what works around Trae. I have many years of evidence and I know what fits around him. I didn't going into his 2nd year. None of us really did. He was too young.

I ain't editing ****, I stand on ten toes religiously, if I said it. I stand on it. I was wrong on Cam and said as much a page ago and often in general. Brought into his talent and blamed Duke for his struggles and our lack of spacing. Cam was a part of the reason we had poor spacing but I didn't feel that way at the time. I own that error in judgement.

Cam talent is special. People still see it. LeBron saw it. Many of his peers see it. But there is so much to the game. Cam had the most weaknesses I've ever seen from a player that I've evaluated in the NBA. Said as much on the board. More than even Josh Smith. If I judged Cam the way I should have, I still would have liked him and wanted to see if it worked since I didn't have access to his personality assessments but I would have went into a lot more detail than just his talents along. I believe you need to cover all ascepts of a player to get a proper assessment and I didn't do that with Cam. I didn't do that with Cameron Johnson either and he was an excellent player. I should have evaluated him like I did Brandon Clarke.

But you live and you learn. You realize where you had faults. Mo Bamba, Bagley, and Ayton was a learning experience for me. If you can't learn from your mistakes and even wins like Jalen Williams, the you are bound to continue the same mistake over and over again.

You must have lost your damn mind asking for an apology to your rude and ignorant ass. I'll rather die. Maybe if you were respectful and kind, I would gladly. It's nothing for me to apologize to anyone but never for you.

Cam is a no talent scrub, and always has been, there has never been a single generational trait about him, but that’s never been the issue I had with your analysis of Cam, or now Edey. I don’t see anything egregious or that bad about any of your particular analysis of any players in particular… but


You danced around the topic and circled all the way back around and didn’t touch the main issue: You claim these guys will basically end up busts unless they are on the Hawks, in which case they will not only make it, but they will be MVP or in your words, generational.

I’m not sure if it’s hedging(IE, he was a scrub, but would have been a GOAT in Atl!) or if it’s extreme homerism.

It would feel weird even if it were someone like the Spurs or Heat who have a history of drawing talent out of people, but the Hawks? Lmao. They do nothing special in terms of unlocking guys offensively or player development.

It’s just strange and baffling analysis, but I’m fascinated. We’ve seen no instances of guys going from scrub to generational just based on the team… but you think that mold breaker is the Hawks?

That's your personal opinion. He could be a scrub but his talent is legit. With all his flaws, no way he would have made it to the NBA if he wasn't extremely talented.

I've been as direct as possible.

I've said it could be Luka, Trae, or Harden. Any of those three players who are extremely heliocentric. Who get overproduction from centers that fit the off-ball prototype big man. Capela has easily overproduced his player type. Lively II is averaging more in the NBA than in college per game and per36 because he's playing with Luka. Zubac is averaging career highs playing with Harden. So yes, playing with one of the Harden's or even female Harden (C. Clark, Iowa), will greatly benefit Edey. Especially Trae who uses the center as an extension of himself. Does that help? It's simple, basic af, and even consumable for someone like yourself.

Cool story bro!

Another great sentence

It's not difficult to understand with Edey. It really isn't. If you really watch his game, he's a monster off the ball. That's where he does most of his damage. He's not this skillful strong post-player like B. Reeves or J. Okafor or insanely dominant post-player like Shaq as a college prospect. He's a movement big who uses his relentless motor, mental acuity, top-notch body control, and athleticism for his size to reign on college basketball. The problem is people watch the final stage and see his post-ups are like, he's just big, Boban can do that, etc, etc. But Boban doesn't do any of the other **** to get to that point. Forget that he's a terrific screener and his rolls are exceptional but with his BBIQ, he's a patience roller. His productivity isn't high just cause he's big. He's not even skilled for a low post-big-man NBA prospect.

I don't think he's a mold breaker but he's in his own prototype lane like Brandon Clarke was and Cameron Johnson. When guys are this productive, it's not for no reason.

[The-Power]

I can absolutley see SAS grabbing him but certainly not with their own FRP.

Edey is about the worst fit with Wembanyama that I can imagine.

[OriAr]

I can absolutley see SAS grabbing him but certainly not with their own FRP.

Edey is about the worst fit with Wembanyama that I can imagine.

Only big man in this draft that'd actually be a good fit with Wemby is Kyle Filipowski from Duke.
Edey and Sarr would be bad fits with Wemby.

[The-Power]

I can absolutley see SAS grabbing him but certainly not with their own FRP.

Edey is about the worst fit with Wembanyama that I can imagine.

Only big man in this draft that'd actually be a good fit with Wemby is Kyle Filipowski from Duke.
Edey and Sarr would be bad fits with Wemby.

Even there I disagree. Filipowski still operates in similar spots that Victor should occupy, and he still projects as a fairly high-usage big man (at least if you want to maximize his potential). I don't see that working out too well either. SAS should ideally take a Guard or Forward and find someone in FA to play as a big man next to him and in his place.