What direction do the Hawks go now? (Offseason Meditations)

[CP War Hawks]

I'm still interested in getting TJW on a one year deal. The roster is missing that 3rd scorer to compliment Trae and DJM. If you trade Collins, he's a good stop gap at the 4.

Trae - DJM - AH
DJM - Bogi
Hunter - JH - TJW
Collins - TJW - JJ
Capela - OO

It's a problem with this team, we even didn't try to see if any of these guys can be a consistent 3rd scorer,except when they were loosing and it was simply logic to get Collins at 20pts because Trae and him were the only two good players.
Hunter has not been tested and I'm talking about a stretch of some games where he's clearly the 2nd option.
ATL traded to get this 4th pick to get Hunter, and they don't even try. I hope it will be the case and he will succeed because I prefer having PG ans SF scoring than seeing it only coming from backcourt.

ATL had the second best offense last season, why would we add another scorer?

Hawks traded Huerter and his 12ppg for Holiday and his 8ppg. You lose 4 points there and they struggled to score in the playoffs, only better than the Bulls. Hunter needs to tighten his overall ball handling before he gets more offensive responsibility.

There will be many more catch and shoot opportunities, and guys will need to be able to attack closeouts with no 40%+ knockdown shooter from 3. Not to mention Gallo will be missed as the offensive anchor for the bench.

[D21]

I'm still interested in getting TJW on a one year deal. The roster is missing that 3rd scorer to compliment Trae and DJM. If you trade Collins, he's a good stop gap at the 4.

Trae - DJM - AH
DJM - Bogi
Hunter - JH - TJW
Collins - TJW - JJ
Capela - OO

It's a problem with this team, we even didn't try to see if any of these guys can be a consistent 3rd scorer,except when they were loosing and it was simply logic to get Collins at 20pts because Trae and him were the only two good players.
Hunter has not been tested and I'm talking about a stretch of some games where he's clearly the 2nd option.
ATL traded to get this 4th pick to get Hunter, and they don't even try. I hope it will be the case and he will succeed because I prefer having PG ans SF scoring than seeing it only coming from backcourt.

ATL had the second best offense last season, why would we add another scorer?

Hawks traded Huerter and his 12ppg for Holiday and his 8ppg. You lose 4 points there and they struggled to score in the playoffs, only better than the Bulls. Hunter needs to tighten his overall ball handling before he gets more offensive responsibility.

There will be many more catch and shoot opportunities, and guys will need to be able to attack closeouts with no 40%+ knockdown shooter from 3. Not to mention Gallo will be missed as the offensive anchor for the bench.

It's 4pts less, but also 2 shots less. OK, we should get about 2pts only with 2 shots, so 2pts are needed, but I prefer Hunter taking these 2 shots than another guys taking some and Hunter ending up having less shots than less season.
The positive point was that Hunter has shown in one game that he can score, so let him prove if he can do it on a stretch.

Now, I still won't use the MIA series to evaluate anything on ATL, Clint, John and Bogi were injured, it just kills the offense from the start as Trae was unable to play as quick as in the regular season with John and Clint.
I would totally say that there is a big problem on offense if this series was played with healthy players. Being more healthy (even if some players were missing like Hunter) the previous season, they didn't struggle to score up to the ECF and we know that they were not so far away of reaching the NBA Finals. They can't suddenly be a team that struggle like they did Vs MIA.

[myrak433]

I'm still interested in getting TJW on a one year deal. The roster is missing that 3rd scorer to compliment Trae and DJM. If you trade Collins, he's a good stop gap at the 4.

Trae - DJM - AH
DJM - Bogi
Hunter - JH - TJW
Collins - TJW - JJ
Capela - OO

It's a problem with this team, we even didn't try to see if any of these guys can be a consistent 3rd scorer,except when they were loosing and it was simply logic to get Collins at 20pts because Trae and him were the only two good players.
Hunter has not been tested and I'm talking about a stretch of some games where he's clearly the 2nd option.
ATL traded to get this 4th pick to get Hunter, and they don't even try. I hope it will be the case and he will succeed because I prefer having PG ans SF scoring than seeing it only coming from backcourt.

ATL had the second best offense last season, why would we add another scorer?

Hawks traded Huerter and his 12ppg for Holiday and his 8ppg. You lose 4 points there and they struggled to score in the playoffs, only better than the Bulls. Hunter needs to tighten his overall ball handling before he gets more offensive responsibility.

There will be many more catch and shoot opportunities, and guys will need to be able to attack closeouts with no 40%+ knockdown shooter from 3. Not to mention Gallo will be missed as the offensive anchor for the bench.

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DJ Murray 21 ppg is replacing Huerter’s 12 ppg and Holiday’s 8 ppg is replacing Delon Wrights 4 ppg. So we gained 13 ppg.

And Huerter is 37% 3 point career Gallo is 38%. That is nice. But the Holiday brothers are 36% and 37%, not that much drop off.

[D21]

It's a problem with this team, we even didn't try to see if any of these guys can be a consistent 3rd scorer,except when they were loosing and it was simply logic to get Collins at 20pts because Trae and him were the only two good players.
Hunter has not been tested and I'm talking about a stretch of some games where he's clearly the 2nd option.
ATL traded to get this 4th pick to get Hunter, and they don't even try. I hope it will be the case and he will succeed because I prefer having PG ans SF scoring than seeing it only coming from backcourt.

ATL had the second best offense last season, why would we add another scorer?

Hawks traded Huerter and his 12ppg for Holiday and his 8ppg. You lose 4 points there and they struggled to score in the playoffs, only better than the Bulls. Hunter needs to tighten his overall ball handling before he gets more offensive responsibility.

There will be many more catch and shoot opportunities, and guys will need to be able to attack closeouts with no 40%+ knockdown shooter from 3. Not to mention Gallo will be missed as the offensive anchor for the bench.

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DJ Murray 21 ppg is replacing Huerter’s 12 ppg and Holiday’s 8 ppg is replacing Delon Wrights 4 ppg. So we gained 13 ppg.

And Huerter is 37% 3 point career Gallo is 38%. That is nice. But the Holiday brothers are 36% and 37%, not that much drop off.

It doesn't work like that because Murray+Holiday were taking 27.2 shots/game last season. Huerter+Wright only 13.8 shots
If they come and shoot like they did last season, it would mean that the current players will have 13.4 shots less to take, so these players will score less than last season.
Actually, we should add the 9 FGA of Gallo, so it would make 22.4 shots for the players traded, and 36.7 shots for the player we got (Murray, both Holiday and Harkless).
We got players that were playing more minutes (97.3 minutes) and shooting more (36.7) than the players we send in the trades/lost (73.8 minutes and 22.4 shots), so comparing the points difference only won't tell anything.

If we add Bogi, it's more balanced because it makes 103.1 minutes,35 shots and 43.3pts, compared to 97.3 minutes, 36.7 and 42.6pts (ATL players shooting less and scoring more)
So basically, the new players were taking minutes and shots of the players we lost+Bogi , which means they won't score as much as last season, or they will takes shots from the current players, meaning Bogi, Hunter, John and Clint having less shots. Not the best way to develop John and Hunter... so I bet they will shot less

Regarding Hunter, if he's signed this summer and there no more contract talk, I absolutely want the 20 first games to be played with him as 2nd scoring option.
Does this man looks like he has a problem to score? We will just killing his potential to improve by not letting him taking some responsibilities.

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[CP War Hawks]

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The Hawks have scarified offense for defense, which is what I've been opining for. However, Huerter and Gallo were the best C&S three shooters on the team at 42%. Delon and Gieng didn't attempt many threes but together they combined 3 attempts at 40%. Even with Cam, you lose a 38% shooter. That's a huge number of outside shooting that's hard to replace.

If Schlenk is still steadfast on trading Collins, with Wash still being the aggressive suitor, I'd go Kuzma, Hachumira, and 1st. Rui is ready to breakout.

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[D21]

I agree that defense might be better.
Regarding WAS, it's looking like a good trade, but it would be going the other way. Collins improve the defense of ATL, but Hachimura and Kuzma were making the defense of WAS worse... they are good at offense, and Hachimura will certainly improve again, but will he improve on defense too?

[D21]

I'm still interested in getting TJW on a one year deal

He just signed with BKN. If it's a small contract, would have been definitely worth a try, and if he was back to his old game, we could still make other trades of unused players.

The Brooklyn Nets and T.J. Warren have agreed to a one-year deal. There have been no reports on how much salary Warren is signing with Brooklyn for.

Warren has missed most of the last two seasons, as he's recovered from a foot injury. There were reports Warren could have played at the end of last season, but the Indiana Pacers were out of the playoff picture and had transitioned to playing their younger players.

When Warren last played consistently, he was very good. Warren built on a solid 2019-20 season with a breakout in the bubble. For that season, Warren averaged a career-high 19.8 points per game. He also shot a career-best 53.6% from the field during 2020.
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[saloonyk8]

I'm surprised warren went there... Not sure he'll get the minutes he wants to rebuild his career. Or maybe they gave him full MLE?

[jayu70]

I'm surprised warren went there... Not sure he'll get the minutes he wants to rebuild his career. Or maybe they gave him full MLE?

If KD is traded, he'll get a ton of minutes.

[saloonyk8]

I'm surprised warren went there... Not sure he'll get the minutes he wants to rebuild his career. Or maybe they gave him full MLE?

If KD is traded, he'll get a ton of minutes.

Really depends what they get back, bridges, Ayton? Bam? They traded for Royce too

[Jamaaliver]

Grading Every NBA Team's Offseason

Atlanta Hawks

Grade: B



Key Additions: Dejounte Murray, Justin Holiday, Aaron Holiday, Moe Harkless, A.J. Griffin (R)

Key Subtractions: Danilo Gallinari, Delon Wright, Kevin Huerter, Kevin Knox, Gorgui Dieng, Jock Landale

Key Retentions: N/A

There's a lot to like about Dejounte Murray and Trae Young sharing a backcourt. Murray can run the show when Young rests and provide secondary playmaking when teams load up to stop Young—like the Miami Heat did in the postseason. Murray's defensive prowess will also allow the Hawks to hide Young on the weaker opposing guard.

Conceptually, Young's gravity should make him a deadly off-ball threat when Murray initiates the offense. But not every top scoring option is up for the mental and cardiovascular challenge of perpetual motion. Stephen Curry is the exception, not the rule. Young has the ability to level up if he embraces the work of constantly moving. Murray's career 33.0 percent hit rate from deep doesn't suggest he'll thrive when off the rock.

There may be hiccups, as both Murray and Young ranked in the top five in total time of possession last season, but the Hawks are substantially better with the former San Antonio Spurs guard on board.

Atlanta addressed a key area of need at great cost. When a team gives up three first-round picks and a swap, it's usually for a player who'll be the final piece of a championship puzzle or an A-list difference-maker. Think Jrue Holiday in Milwaukee or Anthony Davis in Los Angeles, respectively. Murray is an All-Star on a bargain contract (until it expires in 2024 and he seeks a $200-plus million deal), but he isn't on that put-you-over-the-top level, and more importantly, the Hawks aren't a one-piece-away operation.

Atlanta is better, but perhaps not to a great enough degree to justify the cost. If it can eventually recoup some assets and add a starter by trading John Collins, a grade in the "A" range might be warranted.

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[Geaux_Hawks]

Grading Every NBA Team's Offseason

Atlanta Hawks

Grade: B



Key Additions: Dejounte Murray, Justin Holiday, Aaron Holiday, Moe Harkless, A.J. Griffin (R)

Key Subtractions: Danilo Gallinari, Delon Wright, Kevin Huerter, Kevin Knox, Gorgui Dieng, Jock Landale

Key Retentions: N/A

There's a lot to like about Dejounte Murray and Trae Young sharing a backcourt. Murray can run the show when Young rests and provide secondary playmaking when teams load up to stop Young—like the Miami Heat did in the postseason. Murray's defensive prowess will also allow the Hawks to hide Young on the weaker opposing guard.

Conceptually, Young's gravity should make him a deadly off-ball threat when Murray initiates the offense. But not every top scoring option is up for the mental and cardiovascular challenge of perpetual motion. Stephen Curry is the exception, not the rule. Young has the ability to level up if he embraces the work of constantly moving. Murray's career 33.0 percent hit rate from deep doesn't suggest he'll thrive when off the rock.

There may be hiccups, as both Murray and Young ranked in the top five in total time of possession last season, but the Hawks are substantially better with the former San Antonio Spurs guard on board.

Atlanta addressed a key area of need at great cost. When a team gives up three first-round picks and a swap, it's usually for a player who'll be the final piece of a championship puzzle or an A-list difference-maker. Think Jrue Holiday in Milwaukee or Anthony Davis in Los Angeles, respectively. Murray is an All-Star on a bargain contract (until it expires in 2024 and he seeks a $200-plus million deal), but he isn't on that put-you-over-the-top level, and more importantly, the Hawks aren't a one-piece-away operation.

Atlanta is better, but perhaps not to a great enough degree to justify the cost. If it can eventually recoup some assets and add a starter by trading John Collins, a grade in the "A" range might be warranted.

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I think they're undervaluing what Murray really is. Like Trae has been for us, Murray had to be the "do it all" guy for the Spurs. Which is why both players has such high usage. Murray has the ability to play off the ball as a slasher. He's just very capable with the ball in his hands as well, which is what we lacked severely. You don't need 40% 3 point shooters at every position.

He showcased this in college playing with Andrew Andrews, who is similar to Trae when it comes to needing the ball in their hands to create. Trae can make the passes Andrews might've not seen possible, or unwilling to make at times. Whether that comes from lobs, backdoor cuts, coming off of pins and curls, you name it.

Murray's been in the league and improved tremendously, and now has someone better than Andrews to play with, so the sky's the limit with these two. Murray might not be the final piece to the puzzle, but he sure makes the puzzle look close to being finished.

[atlantabbq99]

I don't see Trae's and DM's redundancies being a bad thing. Look at Steph and Klay, or Booker and CP3, or Parker and Manu or Stockton and Hornacek.

All four duos had redundancies and all four are elite backcourts.

[D21]

There one thing I didn't pay attention at all, finding it after checking SAS roster before tomorrow Summer league game:

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We should have claimed him! I watched some OKC games last season where he got some playing time, and for 2M, it was an easy choice.

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[HMFFL]

Isaiah Roby is a double double type of player if he's given consistent minutes. He has worked very hard to develope his game and to bulk up.

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[hawks_fan25]

With Indy giving Ayton that ridiculous offer I say we offer them Bogi + Kings 2024 FRP for Turner and see if they bite. Straight salary swap and we don’t give up much to be absolutely stacked in the front court this year. Nate would have 4 starting caliber bigs to keep happy, but that’s not a bad problem to have especially given CC and OO injury history.

[D21]

With Indy giving Ayton that ridiculous offer I say we offer them Bogi + Kings 2024 FRP for Turner and see if they bite. Straight salary swap and we don’t give up much to be absolutely stacked in the front court this year. Nate would have 4 starting caliber bigs to keep happy, but that’s not a bad problem to have especially given CC and OO injury history.

But we would certainly loose him at the end of the season because he will have to share time with two C and one PF. I healthy, they would be 4 players so 24 minutes each.
I like Capela a lot, but it would make more sense to trade him for Turner, it would make:
Turner 16min at C and 16min at PF
Okongwu 32min at C
Collins 32min at PF

and it would make the team play faster, having a C that can shoot 3s for 16min (while keeping Capela would make Turner playing only at PF)

With Capela being on a good and longer contract, we could get a pick with Turner

And I was even talking about the fact that if we need a big shot in the 4th quarter, except Trae, this Bogi that I would trust more than any other players in the roster, including the new Murray, Holiday or Harkless

[tbhawksfan1]

Hawks now have 4 starters that can score inside or outside. Nate really needs to exploit this. JC needs to score more with open threes and play off Trae DM with three point looks turning in to penetration looks. Same for Hunter. Cap is best used as the roll man given his great screens, very high % on rolls and lack of any other offense.

The team was over reliant on P&R in the past but DM changes everything. Have Trae and Dm with the ability to break down the D will create a lot of open looks from 3 or cutting opportunity. Coaching the O should get real easy for Nate

[D21]

The team was over reliant on P&R in the past but DM changes everything. Have Trae and Dm with the ability to break down the D will create a lot of open looks from 3 or cutting opportunity. Coaching the O should get real easy for Nate

That's right, but Nate have actually more work to do on defense than on offense.
Now, regarding offense, ATL had the 2nd best offense in the league, and might have potential to be 1st now, but the fourth quarter was sometimes a big problem... It's what I want him to fix first on offense.

[Jamaaliver]

One thing I'm frustrated we didn't address: Hawks still don't have a top line wing defender to guard the big, scoring, Power Forwards in the East.

Whether it's defending Durant, or Tatum, or Giannis, or Siakam -- this team still needs a high end nuisance like a PJ Tucker to slow down elite 4s.