Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[Raptorfan2012]

I'm higher on Kuminga than most, so I would do this without the GSW pick. Don't think they can trade picks anyways due to Stepian rule unless it's their 2026 pick or after.

GSW has a bunch of guards, but they also need good players.

I actually prefer to keep Gary if he can be re-signed at low 20s per year, but I feel like he's leaving - Masai never acknowledged he's part of the core, and Nurse calling him out/benching him.

We are more likely to get Moody back instead of Kuminga if this is for Trent. Moody will be forgotten if Trent is there, plus Moody is Scottie’s boy from back in HS.

[WuTang_CMB]

I'm higher on Kuminga than most, so I would do this without the GSW pick. Don't think they can trade picks anyways due to Stepian rule unless it's their 2026 pick or after.

GSW has a bunch of guards, but they also need good players.

I actually prefer to keep Gary if he can be re-signed at low 20s per year, but I feel like he's leaving - Masai never acknowledged he's part of the core, and Nurse calling him out/benching him.

They would have to draft for us first then we can do it , see blue note

[tecumseh18]

If tanking isn't in the cards, would Utah be interested in either Fred or Gary for Clarkson and NAW? Salaries match. Not sure if Utah would want pick compensation or if we should be asking for pick compensation.

In terms of short term fit, Clarkson can slide into the starting lineup beside whoever is left from Fred or Gary and NAW would come off the bench.

Offseason, we let Clarkson go, re-sign Fred or Gary and hopefully NAW can move into the starting lineup with Banton backing up or vice versa.

Yeah, Ainge has put the Jazz in an incredible position. Why not win now? It'd be hilarious to still be in the playoffs this Spring after the Cavs and the T-Wolves are out.

Let's trade Gary AND Fred (and Birch and Flynn) to them for three or four of those picks, along with Conley, Gay and Clarkson. But Bird rights to FVV and GTJ may not be as meaningful to a franchise that isn't guaranteed to re-sign FAs, or willing to go over the tax threshold.

Imagine GTJ deciding to stay in Utah lol.

Gary would absolutely be King Drip in Salt Lake City. To quoth Milton, "Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heav'n."

Anyway, Ainge wouldn't give up draft picks for stars in Boston. I'm sure he'll wait for something better to come along (KD?).

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[ATLTimekeeper]

I'm higher on Kuminga than most, so I would do this without the GSW pick. Don't think they can trade picks anyways due to Stepian rule unless it's their 2026 pick or after.

GSW has a bunch of guards, but they also need good players.

I actually prefer to keep Gary if he can be re-signed at low 20s per year, but I feel like he's leaving - Masai never acknowledged he's part of the core, and Nurse calling him out/benching him.

We are more likely to get Moody back instead of Kuminga if this is for Trent. Moody will be forgotten if Trent is there, plus Moody is Scottie’s boy from back in HS.

I keep thinking there's a deal here but then I look and Golden State has one more win than us.

[WuTang_CMB]

I'm higher on Kuminga than most, so I would do this without the GSW pick. Don't think they can trade picks anyways due to Stepian rule unless it's their 2026 pick or after.

GSW has a bunch of guards, but they also need good players.

I actually prefer to keep Gary if he can be re-signed at low 20s per year, but I feel like he's leaving - Masai never acknowledged he's part of the core, and Nurse calling him out/benching him.

We are more likely to get Moody back instead of Kuminga if this is for Trent. Moody will be forgotten if Trent is there, plus Moody is Scottie’s boy from back in HS.

I keep thinking there's a deal here but then I look and Golden State has one more win than us.

they gotta maximize their window

[ATLTimekeeper]

We are more likely to get Moody back instead of Kuminga if this is for Trent. Moody will be forgotten if Trent is there, plus Moody is Scottie’s boy from back in HS.

I keep thinking there's a deal here but then I look and Golden State has one more win than us.

they gotta maximize their window

They might be too far out of it.

[WuTang_CMB]

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But I think the team generating the most buzz and curiosity is still the Raptors. They’ve badly underachieved. They’ve shown no signs of reviving themselves. They have a front office known for its boldness and creativity. And they have a wealth of talented players on reasonable contracts who could help a contender. So what do you think? Do they move OG Anunoby? Fred VanVleet? Gary Trent Jr.?

Mannix: I’d definitely put the Raptors in the seller category. Masai Ujiri has never had much of a stomach for being mediocre, and that’s exactly what Toronto is. Scottie Barnes is untouchable, but other than that they should be—and I think they will be—open for business on anyone else. Anunoby generates the most interest when I talk to front-office people. A sturdy, two-way player shooting mid-30s from three-point range? You get at least one unprotected first-round pick back for a player like that—maybe more. It would be smart for the Raptors and Grizzlies—a team with a shot at making a run this season with young talent and draft capital to spare—to spend some time on the phones.

[WuTang_CMB]

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2023/01/12/nba-trade-deadline-lakers-raptors-heat-could-make-moves/11026786002/

Los Angeles Lakers
Interesting times for the Lakers. LeBron James, who is playing great regardless of his age, seems to want the Lakers to make a move. But with Anthony Davis injured and the Lakers in 13th place in the West (but just three games from fifth place), is there a deal that makes the Lakers anything better than a play-in participant and first-round exit? The time to make a deal was before the season. Will the Lakers make one ahead of the deadline or be content to celebrate James passing Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on the NBA's all-time scoring list and use their expected salary cap space in the summer to build a contender for 2023-24?


Toronto Raptors
The Raptors are a hot topic. Will they blow it up? Make minor moves? Do nothing at all? It’s another interesting situation because the Raptors have players other teams want, including Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby, Fred VanVleet and Scottie Barnes, the 2021-22 Rookie of the Year. Adding intrigue is the contract situations: Siakam and Anunoby can become free agents in 2024, VanVleet a free agent following this season and Barnes is looking for a significant raise on a rookie extension. The 17-23 Raptors have financial decisions to make at some point. Keep this in mind, too: Under team president Masai Ujiri and general manager Bobby Webster, the Raptors are not known for major deals at the trade deadline. VanVleet is worth watching, and with his name linked to a possible Lakers deal, don’t discount a sly move for VanVleet by Orlando.


Washington Wizards' Kyle Kuzma (33) passes the ball in front of Milwaukee Bucks' Serge Ibaka during the second half Jan. 1, 2023.
Kuzma and Porzingis are having career-best type seasons. They can become free agents after this season and can help a contending team. The Wizards have decisions to make. Keep them and try to re-sign them or make a deal for one or both at the trade deadline. While the Wizards aren’t tipping their hand privately or publicly, Wizards GM Tommy Sheppard is known for doing his due diligence. If Sheppard wanted to trade one and try to re-sign another, his best bet would be trading Kuzma and trying to convince Porzingis D.C. and the Wizards are for him.



The Hawks are willing to move forward John Collins for a shooting big, which is … what Collins is. Or used to be. Collins shot 40.1% on 3-pointers in 2019-20, 39.9% the following season and 36.4% last season. But he’s just at 22.9% this season. Changes are afoot in Atlanta as owner Tony Ressler and his son, Nick, assert more control over basketball opertaio. Travis Schlenk stepped down as president of basketball operations just before Christmas, and star guard Trae Young has clashed with head coach Nate McMillan. Two seasons removed from playing in the East finals, the Hawks are a play-in team headed toward the trade deadline. There is a market for Collins, and that includes Utah, Brooklyn and Dallas.



The Heat are notoriously tight-lipped about their plans. But around the league, it’s believed the Heat are willing to shed Kyle Lowry’s contract, which pays him $29.6 million in 2023-24. The Heat, who reached the Finals in 2020 and the conference finals last season, are 21-20 and in eighth place. Lowry is another player who has been linked to a potential deal with the Lakers, and Minnesota sending D’Angelo Russell to Miami for Lowry would net the Heat an expiring contract.



Following their fourth title in eight seasons, the Warriors have struggled with injuries, replacing key players and developing new rotations. Steph Curry returned Tuesday, but the loss to Phoenix dropped the Warriors to 20-21 and eighth place in the West. The Warriors believe they are title contenders until it’s proven they are not so they’ll explore roster improvements. But the bigger question surrounding the Warriors: Can they retain president of basketball operations Bob Myers, whose contract expires after this season? Warriors owner Joe Lacob says the franchise has made Myers two contract offers. There is speculation around the league that Myers, who has been instrumental in the Warriors’ roster building for the past decade, will become a free agent in the offseason and explore other NBA jobs.


If teams are looking to take a flyer on 3-point specialist Joe Harris, who is shooting below his career average from deep, Brooklyn might be willing to do a deal. … Charlotte’s Jalen McDaniels is attracting attention from multiple teams, including the struggling Phoenix Suns, according to The Athletic. … The Utah Jazz are open to trades except deals that include potential All-Star Lauri Markkanen and rookie Walker Kessler. … The Los Angeles Clippers are in the market for a back-up center. … Detroit’s asking price for available players, including shooter Bojan Bogdanovic, is high, giving teams pause on a possible deal. … The upstart Cleveland Cavaliers are looking for that final piece – a 3-and-D wing.

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Lowry and 1st pick for FVV and 2nd pick.

[Raptorfan2012]

I want to do a deal with the Wolves if we can somehow get Naz Reid and Jaden McDaniels (I don’t know much about the Wolves; are these guys highly valued by their FO?)

[Jadoogar]

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With how wide open the league is right now (especially the west), i agree with Kevin. Siakam could push any wannabe contender over the top. I don't see a "favourite" in the west right now. Warriors are the presumptive favourites but they have haven't looked good and are pretty low in the standings. Dallas, Phoenix, Memphis, New Orleans, Nuggets could also easily become favourites with Siakam.

Due to the parity, i don't see there being too many sellers. If the raptors do want to tank, this would be the perfect time to sell high on our best players and increase our lottery odds. We aren't too far ahead of the Magic.

[youreachiteach]

Heat don't have a pick until 2024. But sure, I'd take that for Lowry. He'd be not much better at the point of attack, but his ability to take charges and to rebound would at least mitigate our lack of size.

[douggood]

Heat don't have a pick until 2024. But sure, I'd take that for Lowry. He'd be not much better at the point of attack, but his ability to take charges and to rebound would at least mitigate our lack of size.

heat can only trade 2023, 2028 and 2029

2024 blocked by stepian rule
2025 owned to okc top 14 protected otherwise unprotected 2026
2027 stepian rule block

[youreachiteach]

I read it was this year's--sorry about that. Well that makes it even better for us, as this year's draft appears stronger.

[Raptorfan2012]

See this isn't enough for me. As I said earlier, I'm not high on Daniels but even if I was, Devonte should require an asset attached just to move him. Then we have to get value back for Vanvleet so for me, this isn't enough.

I more like FVV and Boucher to the Bulls for Ball, White, Williams and POR 2023 1st. The Bulls need a lead guard and already have secondary play makers in DeRozan and Lavine. We get two prospects who are still quite young (21 & 22), plus a first to pick up someone later in the draft. Ball is also 25, relatively cheap and quite good when healthy. Not to mention FVV is from Illinois, has played with DeRozan before and the Bulls need size.

The bulls trade is actually pretty solid, I do like Williams a lot and would be great to pair him with Scottie. The Bulls have no incentive to be bad between now and 2028 so I can see them making this trade just to ensure that they are not in the lottery for the foreseeable future.

I'm not entirely sure if they need to attach a pick with Graham, he only has 1 year guaranteed past this year, if he gets waived he is only receiving 2M of his final years salary. He is literally added as salary filler, 12M for someone off the bench is not unreasonable.

As far as FVV for Dyson, then maybe its a matter of value to your point. I'm projecting what type of player he will be in year 2-3 versus what FVV is producing right now. And I'm also considering that FVV is going to be looking for a 25M+ extension past this year, so the question is really: are you willing to pay FVV at 29 years old close to 30M a year, considering his history with injuries and the track record of smaller guards aging gracefully. NOP would likely need to add another asset if they really covet him, but as far as trade value goes, I'm not sure if we should be expecting far more then a young promising true PG (with size) under team control for the next 4 years for a guard with a history of injuries, looking for a big pay day in a few months.

I do admit that I am fairly biased, I just don't believe that FVV best days are ahead of him. I'm more in the boat that all those injuries will catch with him and he will severely underperform his next salary.

That's fair enough and I think it does come down to value as well.

What I do know for sure though is I'm not willing to pay FVV $25-30M per on his next deal. Even with his injury history, I like Ball at around $20M per for the next two years than I like FVV at $114/4yrs. And the truth is, FVV is likely looking for even more than that.

As far as I'm concerned, he needs to be moved far more urgently than Trent.

I like the Bulls deal a lot as well (obviously lol). I think Williams has some untapped potential and if we can turn White into a reliable 6th man, that would be a good return on investment. Not to mention Ball, who is still pretty young and can be dealt later down the road and late first to pick up someone else.

I think this deal gives us the chance to reboot for the future while also giving us some much needed depth for next season.

Agreed. Bulls make a good partner for FVV; they may be desperate to try to get into the playoffs. Pat Will will look good in our line up, White is a decent combo guard that we really need. We can eat Balls contract for this year and hope he can play next season (helps us tank a bit). FVV goes back home sorta…

[Rapsfan07]

The bulls trade is actually pretty solid, I do like Williams a lot and would be great to pair him with Scottie. The Bulls have no incentive to be bad between now and 2028 so I can see them making this trade just to ensure that they are not in the lottery for the foreseeable future.

I'm not entirely sure if they need to attach a pick with Graham, he only has 1 year guaranteed past this year, if he gets waived he is only receiving 2M of his final years salary. He is literally added as salary filler, 12M for someone off the bench is not unreasonable.

As far as FVV for Dyson, then maybe its a matter of value to your point. I'm projecting what type of player he will be in year 2-3 versus what FVV is producing right now. And I'm also considering that FVV is going to be looking for a 25M+ extension past this year, so the question is really: are you willing to pay FVV at 29 years old close to 30M a year, considering his history with injuries and the track record of smaller guards aging gracefully. NOP would likely need to add another asset if they really covet him, but as far as trade value goes, I'm not sure if we should be expecting far more then a young promising true PG (with size) under team control for the next 4 years for a guard with a history of injuries, looking for a big pay day in a few months.

I do admit that I am fairly biased, I just don't believe that FVV best days are ahead of him. I'm more in the boat that all those injuries will catch with him and he will severely underperform his next salary.

That's fair enough and I think it does come down to value as well.

What I do know for sure though is I'm not willing to pay FVV $25-30M per on his next deal. Even with his injury history, I like Ball at around $20M per for the next two years than I like FVV at $114/4yrs. And the truth is, FVV is likely looking for even more than that.

As far as I'm concerned, he needs to be moved far more urgently than Trent.

I like the Bulls deal a lot as well (obviously lol). I think Williams has some untapped potential and if we can turn White into a reliable 6th man, that would be a good return on investment. Not to mention Ball, who is still pretty young and can be dealt later down the road and late first to pick up someone else.

I think this deal gives us the chance to reboot for the future while also giving us some much needed depth for next season.

Agreed. Bulls make a good partner for FVV; they may be desperate to try to get into the playoffs. Pat Will will look good in our line up, White is a decent combo guard that we really need. We can eat Balls contract for this year and hope he can play next season (helps us tank a bit). FVV goes back home sorta…

My thoughts exactly.

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With how wide open the league is right now (especially the west), i agree with Kevin. Siakam could push any wannabe contender over the top. I don't see a "favourite" in the west right now. Warriors are the presumptive favourites but they have haven't looked good and are pretty low in the standings. Dallas, Phoenix, Memphis, New Orleans, Nuggets could also easily become favourites with Siakam.

Due to the parity, i don't see there being too many sellers. If the raptors do want to tank, this would be the perfect time to sell high on our best players and increase our lottery odds. We aren't too far ahead of the Magic.

Everything is lined up too perfectly for this above not to happen. I would be seriously doubt everything the FO has publicly stated if they don't make moves on at least 2 starters

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To Grizzlies: Anunoby, Thaddeus Young (two years, $16.3 million remaining, $1 million guaranteed for 2023-24)
To Raptors: Dillon Brooks (one year, $11.4 million), Ziaire Williams (three years, 15.35 million, likely RFA in 2026), Danny Green (one year, $10 million), 2023 1st round pick and EITHER 2024 1st round pick (belonging to Golden State) OR 2025 1st round pick (belonging to Memphis)

To Kings: Anunoby
To Raptors: Richaun Holmes (three years, $36.16), Davion Mitchell (three years, $16.35 million), better of Indiana/Sacramento 2023 2nd round picks, 2026, 2028 1st round picks*

To Knicks: Anunoby, Khem Birch (two years, $13.65 million)
To Raptors: Obi Toppin (two years, $12.19 million, RFA in 2024), Evan Fournier (two years, $36.85 million, plus team option for 2024-25), better of Knicks or Mavericks 2023 1st round picks, 2024 Pistons 2nd round, 2025 Knicks 1st round pick

To Pelicans: Anunoby
To Raptors: Dyson Daniels (four years, $25.06 million, RFA in 2026), Devonte Graham (three years, $36.3 million), 2023 1st round pick, better of Lakers/Bucks 2024 1st round picks

To Suns: Anunoby
To Raptors: Landry Shamet (four years, $42.5 million), Dario Saric (one year, $9.24 million), 2023, 2025, 2027 1st round picks


To Suns: Siakam and Birch
To Toronto: Deandre Ayton (four years, $132.93 million), Jae Crowder (one year, $10.18 million ), 2023, 2025, 2027 1st round picks, rights to 1st round pick swap in 2026*

To Grizzlies: Siakam
To Raptors: Tyus Jones (two years, $29 million), Danny Green, Jake LaRavia (four years, $14,76 million, RFA in 2026), Ziaire Williams, 2023, 2025, 2027 1st round picks, 2024 1 round pick (Golden State), 2024 2nd round pick (Toronto)

To Warriors: Siakam
To Raptors: Draymond Green (one year, $25.81 million, plus player option for 2023-24), Jonathan Kuminga (three years, $19.39 million, RFA in 2025), Moses Moody (three years, $13.46 million, RFA in 2025), 2026, 2028 1st round picks, picks swaps in 2025 and 2027

So the problem is a vertically challenged PG with back problems who is not the same guy who And 1ded Curry, and we trade all the tall guys?

Send Fred to Pelicans (From RaptorsRapture.com)


Pelicans Get
PG Fred VanVleet
PG Malachi Flynn

Raptors Get
PG Dyson Daniels
SF Trey Murphy III
PG Devonte Graham
First-Round Pick in 2024 (via LAL), 2025 (via MIL)