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Post#261 » by ArthurVandelay » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:09 pm

Hackett wrote:What really bothers me is that the way the announcing crew and tv crews hype RJ is as if Toronto fans are just morons. As if none of us have the internet and here comes this star that will save us. I think this is quite insulting to those of us that follow basketball.

This team needs a lot more than RJ and IQ. To act like this was worth loosing a talent like OG, is straight out lying to the fans about where this squad is heading. It's overhyping what RJ brings to the table. IQ I see the potential in, he actually looked good as a defender, and did not turn the ball over once.... but if you were new to basketball and relied on what our TV hosts are saying, you would think that RJ is the best part of the trade, and to me the message they are pushing is grade A propaganda and insulting to anyone who actually follows basketball.

I wish they would just be honest and say, that OG most likely wanted out of Toronto. He was our best 2 way player, with skills that are difficult to find in this league and the Raptors did their best to get something for him rather than be stuck with nothing. Our team most likely has gotten worse overall. However, there is light at the end of the tunnel, as IQ looks like a player that will break out if given sufficient playing time, and may end up balancing this trade. Also, the pick from Detroit is a high 2nd rounder, one spot out of the 1st round. Considering how good Masai has been at spotting talent, it is possible that we will find a very capable player at the position. This of course is not going to be easy, but, if our scouting puts in the maximum effort that they are capable of, I have a feeling that we can turn that pick into something worth while, maybe even great.

So in short, unless you are new to basketball or a teenager, this team did the best back-peddling it could do with what was about to happen in free agency, knowing what we know about OG's mindset and his desire for change, we made the best move we could make to keep our heads above the water.... but we are not making the playoffs! Anyone that thinks this team just needed to dump OG and Precious and replace them with RJ and IQ to be successful is smoking some seriously good stuff.


This is sad, especially the last paragraph.

I’ve been a fan since ‘95, I can only wish to be a teenager at this point.

It’s almost like you never experienced the Rudy Gay trade. Not comparing OG to Gay, as far as I know OG never banned scoresheets, but the impact that fit, skills, and depth can have on a team.

I suggest you smoke some serious good stuff. So negative despite a good trade in a difficult situation.
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Post#262 » by Airmiess » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:09 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Honestly, I don't get why people are so down on him. It's easy enough to see a path to him being good here.

It seems like he will need a DeRozan level breakthrough in order for fans to give him any leeway.

Well, the online fans I mean. The actual fans at the arena are on the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of support for RJ.
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Post#263 » by TheAlchemist23 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:13 pm

30% usage last night lmao
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Post#264 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:16 pm

TheAlchemist23 wrote:30% usage last night lmao

To be fair a lot of that was in transition. He really did not highjack any possessions and kind of just took what came to him.

He pretty much needs to re-work the shot and just work endlessly on being a 3+d threat with some creation skills to bail us out sometimes if needed or against benches.
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Post#265 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:18 pm

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Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Honestly, I don't get why people are so down on him. It's easy enough to see a path to him being good here.

It seems like he will need a DeRozan level breakthrough in order for fans to give him any leeway.

Well, the online fans I mean. The actual fans at the arena are on the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of support for RJ.

If we just get his shot to 35-36% from three, we'll be talking all-star.
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Post#266 » by Airmiess » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:24 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
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Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Honestly, I don't get why people are so down on him. It's easy enough to see a path to him being good here.

It seems like he will need a DeRozan level breakthrough in order for fans to give him any leeway.

Well, the online fans I mean. The actual fans at the arena are on the opposite end of the spectrum in terms of support for RJ.

If we just get his shot to 35-36% from three, we'll be talking all-star.
He shoots 38% from the corners iirc, I think he will have to shore up his floor game and tighten up his handle to reach all star territory.
Right now his game is very choreographed.
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Post#267 » by TheAlchemist23 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:30 pm

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TheAlchemist23 wrote:30% usage last night lmao

To be fair a lot of that was in transition. He really did not highjack any possessions and kind of just took what came to him.

He pretty much needs to re-work the shot and just work endlessly on being a 3+d threat with some creation skills to bail us out sometimes if needed or against benches.

I was happy with his game in the first half, he played well as a relief valve going 1 on 1 or in transition, something OG couldn't provide. 2nd half he tried to do too much especially in transition were the bulk of his turnovers came.
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Post#268 » by ItsDanger » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:36 pm

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Post#269 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:39 pm

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I don’t think anyone making mid 20’s is “toxic”. Him sucking would obviously suck for us, but there’s plenty of good teams who have had guys make that much money.

It is funny how quickly “toxic” contracts become “valuable salary filler” though in the last year of the deal.

But I don’t think he’s gonna suck. With a more refined role I think he can work himself into being a decent player at his rate
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Post#270 » by Chandan » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:43 pm

Paying RJ 25 TO 29 million isn't that big of a difference from paying Poeltl 20 million. It's not ideal but it's not crippling. Having multiple of these contracts however starts to become a huge problem.
FO needs to start being really careful.
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Post#271 » by brownbobcat » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:52 pm

Chandan wrote:Paying RJ 25 TO 29 million isn't that big of a difference from paying Poeltl 20 million. It's not ideal but it's not crippling. Having multiple of these contracts however starts to become a huge problem.
FO needs to start being really careful.

This is where the value of rookie-scale contracts and superstars comes in. If you have to pay everyone the "going rate", you're going to be a .500 team. I have no idea how a guy like Malik Monk doesn't even get paid $10M/yr, but you need a few guys like that.
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Post#272 » by Johnston » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:57 pm

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Honestly, I don't get why people are so down on him. It's easy enough to see a path to him being good here.


Lol I thought he looked pretty good last night. Give him some time he's 23. Darko was hired for development. He's the perfect project. Ppl talking like he's Bargs out there lol.
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Post#273 » by blastttOFF » Tue Jan 2, 2024 7:32 pm

yeah the contract is not that bad, but here are some comparisons compared to 2019 draftees

1.) zion 5/193
2.) ja 5/193
3.) RJ 4/120
4.) Garland 5/193
5.) Herro 4/ 130
6.) Poole 4/ 140
7.) Hunter 4/ 90
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Post#274 » by hyper316 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 7:52 pm

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I don’t think anyone making mid 20’s is “toxic”. Him sucking would obviously suck for us, but there’s plenty of good teams who have had guys make that much money.

It is funny how quickly “toxic” contracts become “valuable salary filler” though in the last year of the deal.

But I don’t think he’s gonna suck. With a more refined role I think he can work himself into being a decent player at his rate


Toxic contract is too harsh, but it's negative value contract for sure, had to be packaged with upside (IQ) to unload.

I don't think raptors would trade RJ anytime soon, just hoping he can play to his value which has to be a starter at 30-32 mpg with decent production. A Wiggins 2021 GSW type of game would be amazing
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Post#275 » by MavCarter » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:23 pm

RJ is only a year older than scottie and still draft eligible. For all his faults dude looked like a legit all star to start the season. With darko coming from a development background and jama back im hoping they can tap into his potential
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Post#276 » by Childs » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:27 pm

To me a toxic contract is something like the Chandler Parsons contract or the Joakim Noah contract on the Knicks or the Timofey Mosgov contract for the Lakers
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Post#277 » by RapsFanInVA » Tue Jan 2, 2024 8:36 pm

Childs wrote:To me a toxic contract is something like the Chandler Parsons contract

Seriously! "Toxic" is pure clickbait nonsense. Any reasonable person would call it neutral to slightly negative given his current play, with the chance to move to neutral, slight positive in a new environment. And even if his production remains static, with the rising cap his contract becomes less of a negative. He's 23! Toxic contracts are aging vets past their prime or terrible injuries like your Parsons example.
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Post#278 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jan 2, 2024 9:13 pm

RJ gets to the Raps: Most toxic player in the league

OG gets to the Knicks: Greatest 3&D player of our generation
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Post#279 » by Drakeem » Tue Jan 2, 2024 9:14 pm

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Hackett wrote:What really bothers me is that the way the announcing crew and tv crews hype RJ is as if Toronto fans are just morons. As if none of us have the internet and here comes this star that will save us. I think this is quite insulting to those of us that follow basketball.

This team needs a lot more than RJ and IQ. To act like this was worth loosing a talent like OG, is straight out lying to the fans about where this squad is heading. It's overhyping what RJ brings to the table. IQ I see the potential in, he actually looked good as a defender, and did not turn the ball over once.... but if you were new to basketball and relied on what our TV hosts are saying, you would think that RJ is the best part of the trade, and to me the message they are pushing is grade A propaganda and insulting to anyone who actually follows basketball.

I wish they would just be honest and say, that OG most likely wanted out of Toronto. He was our best 2 way player, with skills that are difficult to find in this league and the Raptors did their best to get something for him rather than be stuck with nothing. Our team most likely has gotten worse overall. However, there is light at the end of the tunnel, as IQ looks like a player that will break out if given sufficient playing time, and may end up balancing this trade. Also, the pick from Detroit is a high 2nd rounder, one spot out of the 1st round. Considering how good Masai has been at spotting talent, it is possible that we will find a very capable player at the position. This of course is not going to be easy, but, if our scouting puts in the maximum effort that they are capable of, I have a feeling that we can turn that pick into something worth while, maybe even great.

So in short, unless you are new to basketball or a teenager, this team did the best back-peddling it could do with what was about to happen in free agency, knowing what we know about OG's mindset and his desire for change, we made the best move we could make to keep our heads above the water.... but we are not making the playoffs! Anyone that thinks this team just needed to dump OG and Precious and replace them with RJ and IQ to be successful is smoking some seriously good stuff.


This is sad, especially the last paragraph.

I’ve been a fan since ‘95, I can only wish to be a teenager at this point.

It’s almost like you never experienced the Rudy Gay trade. Not comparing OG to Gay, as far as I know OG never banned scoresheets, but the impact that fit, skills, and depth can have on a team.

I suggest you smoke some serious good stuff. So negative despite a good trade in a difficult situation.
People in general really have lost sight of just being able to sit down and enjoy something, or have the slightest shred of optimism.

Is this team perfect? No. Is RJ a budding all-star? No. Is this team in its present state going to compete for anything major? No.

But as someone who's watched since the VC days, I'm still excited to get two players under 25 who both show some promise (Quickley obviously the more stand out prospect) that look like they make our rotation and team fit better with one another, and both of those players looking like they're going to give it their all.

I can get wanting to build for another contender, but since that's off the table, I'm not going to feel shame for trying to enjoy what we have and being excited for some long needed change and youth. God forbid you try to show a morsel of enthusiasm on the internet before you have an army ready to bring you down for not wanting the "team to succeed".
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Post#280 » by hyper316 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 9:15 pm

RJ is a lot of ways we wish GTJ would be. Drawing fouls, finishing above the rim.

RJ is a better passer.

I'm just sad that the Norm trade for Trent didn't pan out. We wasted 3 years of development on Trent and let him walk for nothing (no trade value and too expensive to re-sign for bench player)

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