06/19 ESPN & DX.com Speculation

[Chuck Diesel]

My trade a few pages back-

# 8, Redd, Villanueva for # 5, Mike Miller, Jason Collins and Kyle Lowry

[xTitan]

personally I doubt there are many good vets available...Josh Howard is a selfish dog, not sure why many people would want him........the most intriguing would be Brand but he can opt out after 1 year and that does absolutely nothing for the Bucks putrid perimeter......Love might be the guy, with Westbrook being the longshot. If Westbrook told the Bucks he was promised to be drafted before them, they could be trying to move up a few to get him.

[xTitan]

My trade a few pages back-

# 8, Redd, Villanueva for # 5, Mike Miller, Jason Collins and Kyle Lowry

this would make me ...then you still can trade Mo for another piece of the puzzle.

[Chuck Diesel]

Well I don't think Love does much for the Bucks perimeter either.

[bango_the_buck]

I think Love is the guy and I wouldn't be surprised if he's the guy Hammond wants at 3 and not Mayo. People are just assuming it's Mayo because he's the projected No. 3 guy. But I've said for some time I wouldn't be surprised if Love ended up being the third-best player in the draft. And Chad Ford today said there's 10% of the league which isn't convinced Mayo is the No. 3 guy in this draft. Perhaps Hammond is part of that 10% and perhaps his pick would be Love.

Could be, but I doubt it. If he's truly committed to a Bogut/Yi front-court, and all indications are that this is indeed the case, I can't see him wanted Love over Mayo. Hammond clearly values Redd, but I don't see him being in the long-term plans. If we have the choice between adding to the front-court depth and getting Redd's eventual successor, I think we go with the later.

[NeedsMoreCheese]

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That was my thought from the start. The only Hammond/Skiles type player who can contribute next year is Love. Maybe we've got to take back a crappy contract as part of this.

for some reason, i just don't think that's it

I think Love is the guy and I wouldn't be surprised if he's the guy Hammond wants at 3 and not Mayo. People are just assuming it's Mayo because he's the projected No. 3 guy. But I've said for some time I wouldn't be surprised if Love ended up being the third-best player in the draft. And Chad Ford today said there's 10% of the league which isn't convinced Mayo is the No. 3 guy in this draft. Perhaps Hammond is part of that 10% and perhaps his pick would be Love.

Mayo is going #2. Kevin Love will be picked too high, hes not that good. Why would we just keep adding young players to this roster? How long do you think Herb Kohl wants to wait on kids?

[xTitan]

Well I don't think Love does much for the Bucks perimeter either.

I realize that but just specualting on who the Bucks could be targeting.

[bango_the_buck]

Mayo is going #2. Kevin Love will be picked too high, hes not that good. Why would we just keep adding young players to this roster? How long do you think Herb Kohl wants to wait on kids?

I would be shocked if Beasley isn't the 2nd pick. Kohl can mind his own business and let Hammond work his magic.

[trwi7]

Well I am stumped. I hope I am stun in a good way about the offseason.

[raferfenix]

Wichmae emphasized how Hammond will be looking to make quick moves to ensure Skiles has his team in place by training camp. Based on that I'm going to assume that Redd is part of a deal because I think Hammond wouldn't be so confident that he will make such quick moves unless a deal for him is already in place. Trading him will be complex financially and PR wise (especially with the Olympics coming), so I think it is a reasonably fair assumption given the confidence Wichmae showed in this for sure being done. Anyways, we're all grasping at straws and making predictions, and i'll take this one.

Wichmae also said someone was close, but he certianly didn't say they were correct. If there were only very minor pieces of difference I don't think he'd imply someone was not right yet close---rather, I'm going to assume that a trade was with the right team but was missing a big piece (one which some on this board would not be happy with apparently). I'm going to predict that the not being happy part is regarding a player having drastically less value than some think---sadly, this could be anyone on our trading block.

The drastically less value part as well as the general unhappiness is probably in relation to a player who will help us win now, as Wichmae also hinted that this deal helps with that. Once again, I don't think he'd be so confident that we will not be in a holding pattern with a team past training camp unless we were already making a deal that would help us with this.

With all this said, I'm going to hope/predict that the assumption that we are not dealing with the Wolves is wrong, as Wichmae did not say that. All he said was that "CV and 8 for 3 isnt feasible" (page 10). Now, in my entirely biased manner since I am hoping for Mayo horribly, I'm going to predict that the person who was close but not right was fam when he said "I think the focus on the three spot is in part because of the rumors that we're very interested in Mayo (which could spark the "flurry" of follow-on trades if Mo/Redd aren't dealt to get him). Not sure if there's an obvious deal to be made there, but I'd probably be in favor of anything that gets us up to 3 without sacrificing Bogut/Yi." ( page 11).

If Fam is right here, then maybe we're trading Redd+8 in a deal predominantly for Mayo, but where we also get a vet or two to ensure we win now. With all that in mind, here is the deal I'm predicting at the moment:

Bucks trade: #8, Michael Redd, Dan Gadzuric
Wolves trade: #3, Marko Jaric, Antoine Walker, Greg Buckner

Now I'm sure this will get flamed away, but for me, I think Mayo might be worth this much, vets like Jaric, Walker, and Buckner valued enough by our team, Redd worth that little, and Dan Gadzuric having that much negative trade value where I would do this.

The Redd/8 for Mayo/vets thesis works in other 3 way scenarios for those still on the far optimistic end for Mayo too. Like Wichmae said though---people will be pissed no matter what probably, so all those who think Redd has a ton of value and don't want Mayo baldy would certainly be in any of these scenarios

[trwi7]

Now I'm sure this will get flamed away

It would get flamed because Minnesota wouldn't do it. No way do they trade two expirings, a higher pick and Mr. Adriana Lima for Redd (who doesn't fit their rebuilding plan at all, Gadzuric (who doesn't fit any plan for any team) and a lower pick.

[midranger]

Could it be that McHale is considering trading Al Jefferson?

[Lippo]

Maybe Redd/Simmons/Gadz for Wallace/Snow/Varejao/#19/2009 2nd
CV for #14
Mo/Mason for Outlaw/#13

Gordon at 8
Augustin at 13
Randolph at 14
Ajinca at 19
Giddens at 37

Sessions/Augustin/Snow
Gordon/Giddens/Bell
Outlaw/Randolph/Illyasova
Yi/Varejao/Ajinca
Bogut/Wallace

We dump all of our bad contracts for 2 expiring and a 2yr. We bring in 3 players with Skiles like attitude to teach our young players how to play D w/ intensity. Our offense now has 2 great pass first point guards to push the ball hard to all of our athletic wings.

No Love Please

Froncourt will be equivalent to Tom Gugliatta(Love), Detlef Schrempf(Yi),Brad Miller(Bogut)

[aaprigs311]

Maybe Redd/Simmons/Gadz for Wallace/Snow/Varejao/#19/2009 2nd
CV for #14
Mo/Mason for Outlaw/#13

Gordon at 8
Augustin at 13
Randolph at 14
Ajinca at 19
Giddens at 37

Sessions/Augustin/Snow
Gordon/Giddens/Bell
Outlaw/Randolph/Illyasova
Yi/Varejao/Ajinca
Bogut/Wallace

We dump all of our bad contracts for 2 expiring and a 2yr. We bring in 3 players with Skiles like attitude to teach our young players how to play D w/ intensity. Our offense now has 2 great pass first point guards to push the ball hard to all of our athletic wings.

No Love Please

Froncourt will be equivalent to Tom Gugliatta(Love), Detlef Schrempf(Yi),Brad Miller(Bogut)

Gross, I just puked in my mouth.

[pasting_monkeys]

Gross, I just puked in my mouth.

Yeah, I just puked in somebody else's mouth.

That is one of the worst trades I've ever seen.

[Lippo]

Guarantee that team would win more games than this years did. We would have a top 10 defense, and still score 94-95 pts/game.

[NeedsMoreCheese]

Guarantee that team would win more games than this years did. We would have a top 10 defense, and still score 94-95 pts/game.

Someone needs to notify this guys family to get him an intervention or something.

[smauss]

Wichmae emphasized how Hammond will be looking to make quick moves to ensure Skiles has his team in place by training camp. Based on that I'm going to assume that Redd is part of a deal because I think Hammond wouldn't be so confident that he will make such quick moves unless a deal for him is already in place. Trading him will be complex financially and PR wise (especially with the Olympics coming), so I think it is a reasonably fair assumption given the confidence Wichmae showed in this for sure being done. Anyways, we're all grasping at straws and making predictions, and i'll take this one.

Wichmae also said someone was close, but he certianly didn't say they were correct. If there were only very minor pieces of difference I don't think he'd imply someone was not right yet close---rather, I'm going to assume that a trade was with the right team but was missing a big piece (one which some on this board would not be happy with apparently). I'm going to predict that the not being happy part is regarding a player having drastically less value than some think---sadly, this could be anyone on our trading block.

The drastically less value part as well as the general unhappiness is probably in relation to a player who will help us win now, as Wichmae also hinted that this deal helps with that. Once again, I don't think he'd be so confident that we will not be in a holding pattern with a team past training camp unless we were already making a deal that would help us with this.

With all this said, I'm going to hope/predict that the assumption that we are not dealing with the Wolves is wrong, as Wichmae did not say that. All he said was that "CV and 8 for 3 isnt feasible" (page 10). Now, in my entirely biased manner since I am hoping for Mayo horribly, I'm going to predict that the person who was close but not right was fam when he said "I think the focus on the three spot is in part because of the rumors that we're very interested in Mayo (which could spark the "flurry" of follow-on trades if Mo/Redd aren't dealt to get him). Not sure if there's an obvious deal to be made there, but I'd probably be in favor of anything that gets us up to 3 without sacrificing Bogut/Yi." ( page 11).

If Fam is right here, then maybe we're trading Redd+8 in a deal predominantly for Mayo, but where we also get a vet or two to ensure we win now. With all that in mind, here is the deal I'm predicting at the moment:

Bucks trade: #8, Michael Redd, Dan Gadzuric
Wolves trade: #3, Marko Jaric, Antoine Walker, Greg Buckner

Now I'm sure this will get flamed away, but for me, I think Mayo might be worth this much, vets like Jaric, Walker, and Buckner valued enough by our team, Redd worth that little, and Dan Gadzuric having that much negative trade value where I would do this.

The Redd/8 for Mayo/vets thesis works in other 3 way scenarios for those still on the far optimistic end for Mayo too. Like Wichmae said though---people will be pissed no matter what probably, so all those who think Redd has a ton of value and don't want Mayo baldy would certainly be in any of these scenarios

rafer, I'm not on board with your deal but man I gotta tell you that I'm surely impressed with the extent that you go to piece this whole post together! Wow, you were pulling posts from all over the place the put this baby together. Like I said, I'm not on board but you definitely deserve props for being able to pull this all together, especially at almost midnight! It also was a pretty good read!

[smauss]

rafer contemplating his next post!

[Rockmaninoff]

Ok, there as of right now looks to be a trade about done and no it doesnt involve Bogut or Yi.

Expect right now there will be a draft night deal of some sort.

I give what i am allowed to give. I had to wait when i broke out the Skiles, Weltman hirings. I also had to wait on a couple other things that I announced (Knicks/Clippers coveting Redd). I can only say so much and ambiguity is key at this point. There are more than a few deals being discussed at this point and one specifically that looks very attractive...


I cannot divulge much more than I have. Expect moves done rapidly before training camp so Skiles has his roster just about set to install his schemes.

Nothing is a done deal until its submitted to the league office. Then again after that there can be addendum's i.e. the Korver to Utah deal..

As of right now it is looking like the best deal on the table.

Take that for what you wish.

If something better comes along I wouldnt doubt that we dont go that route, but as of now this is looking pretty solid. It also depends on the trigger with the other teams management as well. It takes two to tango and they could eventually get more value with their package if a team somehow gets desperate. I will say though expect flurry's of moves to have everything set going into training camp. The way timing works with the deals on the table makes some more realistic than others. Mo is still BYC until after the moratorium so it makes anything involving him difficult if they even decide to go that route.

Im happy with anything that improves our basketball team. I trust everything Hammond does and the mindset he is instilling.

on a side note its looking like Ersan will be back

CV and 8 for 3 isnt feasible

I guess I was wrong. I think some of you are going to be in for a sad draft night

I want nothing to do with Mobley or TT. It'd be nice to figure out a way to aquire a talent like Mayo without giving up our best scorer. I'd give up Yi and #8 for Mayo. Trade Mo/CV for a banger. I think that's our best shot at contending now rather than down the road. I think we've all had enough of the waiting game. I hope whatever trade is made helps us NOW.

One poster a lil bit back actually was on to something but some of you guys are WAY off

This all leads me to believe that one of Yi or Bogut is going to be traded. Either for a veteran like Jefferson, or for a rookie like Mayo.

I'm still going with Bogut for Jaric/#3, because of the 'I guess I was wrong - I think some of you are going to be in for a sad draft night' comment.