FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 | SPAIN are new WORLD CHAMPIONS

Post #2761 » by **G R E Y** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:00 pm

What does tomorrow's game between Team USA and Serbia mean, practically speaking? Is anything on the line besides a moral victory or what?

Post #2762 » by **niQ** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:02 pm

A couple months ago Woj reported that Nando De Colo was planning an NBA return.

Read on Twitter

Was hoping he would return back to the Raptors as they hold his rights but it looks like he signed with Fenerbahce.

JonFromVA · Post #2763 » by **JonFromVA** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:03 pm

kosmonauts wrote:This tournament was another great example that the world has caught up (to some extent) with US. It can be argued that rules are different, but, let's be honest, starter level + 6-8th guys are not good enough to win and/or get a medal at Fiba. That is great for news for sport of basketball and I have to say, I enjoyed the balance between how balanced offense/defense is called. This rough type of Fiba basketball is exciting to watch.

Also, NBA bench guys (6-8) are better than top Euro guys, but the real difference is becoming marginal, especially in the short tournament format. About 9-12th guy on NBA roster - often it is the question of context, fit with the team, potential/age and other factors than only the skill.

Fiba just had to get their **** together - this stupid qualification system did not allow to see some truly good European teams.

We'd already seen a slapdash team of NBA players lose back in 2004. The only thing we've learned from this is that FIBA is out of control.

Whoever wins this tournament will likely celebrate it like it actually meant something, but you really can't claim to be the best unless you beat the best - and FIBA made that impossible.

Catchall · Post #2764 » by **Catchall** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:03 pm

Kemba Walker was 2/9 for 10 pts, with 3 rebs and zero assists. Easily his worst game of the tournament. He also had 4 TOs to go with his zero assists. He shouldn't have been outplayed by Nando De Colo.

stitches · Post #2765 » by **stitches** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:04 pm

GREY 1769 wrote:What does tomorrow's game between Team USA and Serbia mean, practically speaking? Is anything on the line besides a moral victory or what?

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Catchall · Post #2766 » by **Catchall** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:05 pm

GREY 1769 wrote:What does tomorrow's game between Team USA and Serbia mean, practically speaking? Is anything on the line besides a moral victory or what?

It means guys are looking towards the NBA season and don't want to get injured in a meaningless game.

UcanUwill · Post #2767 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:09 pm

niQ wrote:A couple months ago Woj reported that Nando De Colo was planning an NBA return.

Read on Twitter

Was hoping he would return back to the Raptors as they hold his rights but it looks like he signed with Fenerbahce.

Nando is great player, top 3 player not in the NBA. That said, he didnt have a very good game today, the whole tournament he was on par with Fournier, but FOurnier proved his superiority in this one.

Catchall · Post #2768 » by **Catchall** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:09 pm

Whatever the gameplan was for this game, it shouldn't have included getting outrebounded 44-28. There's no possibility to win with that kind of rebound disadvantage. How can it be that all the bigs were unplayable?

Ballerhogger · Post #2769 » by **Ballerhogger** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:11 pm

So a US team with Kemba Walker and Donvan Mitchell got beat by France team with Frank Ntilikina how sad ..... Dont send boy to do mans work i guess..We put C team out there but Kemba suppose to be some all star max type player.. Doonvan suppose to be a upcoming all star...

UcanUwill · Post #2770 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:12 pm

GREY 1769 wrote:What does tomorrow's game between Team USA and Serbia mean, practically speaking? Is anything on the line besides a moral victory or what?

Nothing is on the line, just 5th. place. France and Spain clinched olympics, meaning that Serbia playing for nothing, meanwhile USA and Argentina clinched so USA also playing for nothing

Benedict_Boozer · Post #2771 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:14 pm

Meh. When the Olympics roll around the star US players will show up because of the marketing and exposure.

The World Cup just holds no value to the US players and really the fans. Embarrassing to lose but nobody really cares.

Lose the Olympics - diff story.

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Post #2772 » by **G R E Y** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:15 pm

Catchall wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:What does tomorrow's game between Team USA and Serbia mean, practically speaking? Is anything on the line besides a moral victory or what?

It means guys are looking towards the NBA season and don't want to get injured in a meaningless game.

I meant Team USA has already qualified for Tokyo 2020, but does this game affect Serbia's chances either way? Or do they have to play other Euro teams or tournaments now? So confusing...

maradro · Post #2773 » by **maradro** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:17 pm

JonFromVA wrote:

We'd already seen a slapdash team of NBA players lose back in 2004. The only thing we've learned from this is that FIBA is out of control.

Whoever wins this tournament will likely celebrate it like it actually meant something, but you really can't claim to be the best unless you beat the best - and FIBA made that impossible.

2004 team had the 03 and 01 MVPs, a couple of guys that were a year away from being all NBA, legendary coaches, and was formed specifically to avenge the 02 team (that was also much better than this team).

Your excuses are pathetic, I guess my spurs have never REALLY lost because the years they did, it was just pop and the front office not playing/signing the best possible players :rolleyes

UcanUwill · Post #2774 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:17 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:So a US team with Kemba Walker and Donvan Mitchell got beat by France team with Frank Ntilikina embracing..... Dont send boy to do mans work i guess..We put C team out there but Kemba suppose to be some all star max type player.. Doonvan suppose to be a upcoming all star...

Donovan Mitchell was amazing, it was bigs and Kemba who chocked.

The theme in these forums in the last couple days was the realization, that NBA and FIBA ball differs, and not every NBA star fully translates to FIBA, not just the other way around. France NBA players translated well, but a lot of their team is also guys proven under FIBA rules. Nando DeColo is one of the best players in Europe, which is FIBA rules, so in that sense, Euro teams with less NBA and more Euro guys, are... in a sense, more proven than fully NBA assembled rosters.

Ballerhogger · Post #2775 » by **Ballerhogger** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:17 pm

Brad stevens not as good coach as he prop up to be kemba not as great as i thought in this take away

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Ballerhogger wrote:Brad stevens not as good coach as he prop up to be kemba not as great as i thought in this take away

Well said

Ballerhogger · Post #2777 » by **Ballerhogger** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:20 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:So a US team with Kemba Walker and Donvan Mitchell got beat by France team with Frank Ntilikina embracing..... Dont send boy to do mans work i guess..We put C team out there but Kemba suppose to be some all star max type player.. Doonvan suppose to be a upcoming all star...

Donovan Mitchell was amazing, it was bigs and Kemba who chocked.

The theme in these forums in the last couple days was the realization, that NBA and FIBA ball differs, and not every NBA star fully translates to FIBA, not just the other way around. France NBA players translated well, but a lot of their team is also guys proven under FIBA rules. Nando DeColo is one of the best players in Europe, which is FIBA rules, so in that sense, Euro teams with less NBA and more Euro guys, are... in a sense, more proven than fully NBA assembled rosters.

Frank outscored both them in the 4th.. He may been good for most of the game but this is little disappointing.

Jzh · Post #2778 » by **Jzh** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:20 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
kosmonauts wrote:This tournament was another great example that the world has caught up (to some extent) with US. It can be argued that rules are different, but, let's be honest, starter level + 6-8th guys are not good enough to win and/or get a medal at Fiba. That is great for news for sport of basketball and I have to say, I enjoyed the balance between how balanced offense/defense is called. This rough type of Fiba basketball is exciting to watch.

Also, NBA bench guys (6-8) are better than top Euro guys, but the real difference is becoming marginal, especially in the short tournament format. About 9-12th guy on NBA roster - often it is the question of context, fit with the team, potential/age and other factors than only the skill.

Fiba just had to get their **** together - this stupid qualification system did not allow to see some truly good European teams.

We'd already seen a slapdash team of NBA players lose back in 2004. The only thing we've learned from this is that FIBA is out of control.

Whoever wins this tournament will likely celebrate it like it actually meant something, but you really can't claim to be the best unless you beat the best - and FIBA made that impossible.

Exactly this. i'm French and I couldn't careless we won that game. It will be meaningful if they score the gold but the world cup miss too much talent to mean anything.

The only upside is the direct spot to the Olympics where hopefully we'll face real team USA like in 2000.

Sir Psycho Sexy · Post #2779 » by **Sir Psycho Sexy** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:21 pm

GREY 1769 wrote:
Catchall wrote:
GREY 1769 wrote:What does tomorrow's game between Team USA and Serbia mean, practically speaking? Is anything on the line besides a moral victory or what?

It means guys are looking towards the NBA season and don't want to get injured in a meaningless game.

I meant Team USA has already qualified for Tokyo 2020, but does this game affect Serbia's chances either way? Or do they have to play other Euro teams or tournaments now? So confusing...

France and Spain qualified

Serbia will now play qualification tournaments. 4 tournaments with 6 teams and winner of each one will go to the Olympics. It's based on the FIBA rankings so if Serbia doesn't implode it shouldn't be a problem cause we'll need to win against teams like Poland, Italy, Tuinisa, Venezuela etc

UcanUwill · Post #2780 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:22 pm

I will elaborate on my previous post, but USA problem really is that their players arent proven to work super well under FIBA. Where top international players are, they either from top Euro leagues that plays FIBA like basketball, or they joined the NBA after proving theyr are very good in said FIba like basketball, if you follow what I mean. THere are sometimes Euros who gets drafted and join the NBA without any proof that they can play in FIBA, like Dragan Bender and such, but for the most part, Euro NBA guys are better bet to perform in FIBA than AMerican NBA guys, who never played serious FIBA ball in their entire lives. Thats how you end up with upsets like these.