Around the League - 2019-2020

Aussiepiston1 · Post #2761 » by **Aussiepiston1** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:46 pm

76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Please. Undo the mistake we made in 2013.

I can’t imagine they would want Tobias when Ingram and Zion play the 3/4 so it would either be Jrich and Scott plus picks or Horford and picks

76ciology · Post #2762 » by **76ciology** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:00 pm

freshie2 wrote:Is Dwight Howard the Mason-dixon line for #1 overall picks? Acceptable performance over his career, but not an all time great? Was very dominant early on, very bad when he bounced from team to team as the missing piece, and now hangs on as bench depth for contenders? Any production for a #1 overall pick less than Dwight is a bust? Curious how exactly to view his career. It is wierd to see him adopt the Patrick Beverly, Marcus Smart, Draymond Green role of chippy/cheap play just to draw poorly officiated fouls.

There’s something wrong about D12, mentally and his personality. I just hope he can straighten his life, specially after his career is over. I wish nothing but the best for him.

76ciology · Post #2763 » by **76ciology** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:02 pm

Aussiepiston1 wrote:
76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Please. Undo the mistake we made in 2013.

I can’t imagine they would want Tobias when Ingram and Zion play the 3/4 so it would either be Jrich and Scott plus picks or Horford and picks

Horford or Tobi would be great for them, on the court and off the court.

Post #2764 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:22 pm

freshie2 wrote:Is Dwight Howard the Mason-dixon line for #1 overall picks? Acceptable performance over his career, but not an all time great? Was very dominant early on, very bad when he bounced from team to team as the missing piece, and now hangs on as bench depth for contenders? Any production for a #1 overall pick less than Dwight is a bust? Curious how exactly to view his career. It is wierd to see him adopt the Patrick Beverly, Marcus Smart, Draymond Green role of chippy/cheap play just to draw poorly officiated fouls.

I think you’re selling Dwight a little short. 8 all stars, 5 first teams (in a row), almost won an MVP one year, best player on a team that beat lebron in his prime and made the finals. If you go by career accomplishments he’s arguably the 2nd best guy behind lebron since Duncan all the way back in 97. Like I'm very confident he's making the hall of fame once people get over how much of a weirdo he is.

It’s kind of funny how Davis’ career has sort of mirrored his so far. Difference might end up being that Davis gets along better with the aging super star on the Lakers he demanded a trade to play with.

I think the line would actually be someone like Simmons if he never takes another leap. Multiple time all star that makes an all NBA every once in a while. Maybe Wall if he can have a few more solid healthy-ish seasons.

Post #2765 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:36 pm

Teams that have beaten Lebron in the playoffs:

Bad Boys 2.0 Pistons
Spurs (once with prime Duncan and then later the Kawhi team that had 4 hall of famers at various stages of their career)
Big 3 Celtics (twice)
Dwight Magic
Dirk Mavs
Warriors (once without KD twice with)

Pretty strong list to be on. Magic are the only one that didn't win a ring either that year or around then.

76ciology · Post #2766 » by **76ciology** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:41 am

Lakers.
- Even if they are bigger than the Nuggets by playing with 2 centers on the floor, they are also faster.
- 19% of their possessions are in transition

kuclas · Post #2767 » by **kuclas** » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:15 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
freshie2 wrote:Is Dwight Howard the Mason-dixon line for #1 overall picks? Acceptable performance over his career, but not an all time great? Was very dominant early on, very bad when he bounced from team to team as the missing piece, and now hangs on as bench depth for contenders? Any production for a #1 overall pick less than Dwight is a bust? Curious how exactly to view his career. It is wierd to see him adopt the Patrick Beverly, Marcus Smart, Draymond Green role of chippy/cheap play just to draw poorly officiated fouls.

I think you’re selling Dwight a little short. 8 all stars, 5 first teams (in a row), almost won an MVP one year, best player on a team that beat lebron in his prime and made the finals. If you go by career accomplishments he’s arguably the 2nd best guy behind lebron since Duncan all the way back in 97. Like I'm very confident he's making the hall of fame once people get over how much of a weirdo he is.

It’s kind of funny how Davis’ career has sort of mirrored his so far. Difference might end up being that Davis gets along better with the aging super star on the Lakers he demanded a trade to play with.

I think the line would actually be someone like Simmons if he never takes another leap. Multiple time all star that makes an all NBA every once in a while. Maybe Wall if he can have a few more solid healthy-ish seasons.

Howard was still dominant 2011-2012 season till back injury. People forget the back injury. It robbed him a lot of his explosiveness. For him to continue playing and still average 15-17 points and 12 rebounds the next 6 seasons is a testimate to how great he was.

But like Embiid. The game has changed a lot for centers defensively over the last half decade. Rim protection is getting less valuable with more pull up 3s and less driving to the paint when elite centers guard the paint.

Embiid is a paint deterrent. Guys just drive under and pass the rim and out these days. So that’s why u see less blocks. The guys who get more blocks are better at weakside help defense.

sodmoraes · Post #2768 » by **sodmoraes** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:23 am

I will never understand why we couldnt bet on Michael Porter. We were one of the few teams that could make that bet..

Sent from my SM-G920I using RealGM mobile app

Post #2769 » by **Sixerscan** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:33 am

sodmoraes wrote:I will never understand why we couldnt bet on Michael Porter. We were one of the few teams that could make that bet..

Sent from my SM-G920I using RealGM mobile app

I think after Fultz they didn't want anyone that wouldn't work out for them or was a weirdo. Not saying it was the right decision but that was probably the thought process.

76ciology · Post #2770 » by **76ciology** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:08 am

sodmoraes wrote:I will never understand why we couldnt bet on Michael Porter. We were one of the few teams that could make that bet..

Sent from my SM-G920I using RealGM mobile app

From what I remember by that time we were looking for more NBA ready role players to surround Biid, Ben or Fultz with. While Porter poses serious health issue. Would you give him a 5 year with atleast 20M per year contract to extend him?

76ciology · Post #2771 » by **76ciology** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:17 am

If Ben was healthy, could we have made it to the finals?

We owned the Celts during the regular season and it doesnt look like we had a tough time matching up with the Heat during the regular season while I find us to have way more talented than the Heat.

cool93 · Post #2772 » by **cool93** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:10 am

No. This team was never going anywhere. With Ben we win 1-2 games against Boston, thats it.

Sent from my G3416 using RealGM mobile app

M2J · Post #2773 » by **M2J** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:04 am

76ciology wrote:If Ben was healthy, could we have made it to the finals?

We owned the Celts during the regular season and it doesnt look like we had a tough time matching up with the Heat during the regular season while I find us to have way more talented than the Heat.

That would take Ben really setting the table offensively, but his struggles vs good defense in the postseason when transition defense is less reliable is a problem that makes this tough to predict. However, how the extra shooting with Shake and a healthy Joel... Who knows.

Sixers are definitely the most talented team in the East this year though, it just never came together.

phillynative · Post #2774 » by **phillynative** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:33 am

76ciology wrote:If Ben was healthy, could we have made it to the finals?

We owned the Celts during the regular season and it doesnt look like we had a tough time matching up with the Heat during the regular season while I find us to have way more talented than the Heat.

If Ben was healthy we still would have no closer.

Eyeamok · Post #2775 » by **Eyeamok** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:49 pm

76ciology wrote:If Ben was healthy, could we have made it to the finals?

We owned the Celts during the regular season and it doesnt look like we had a tough time matching up with the Heat during the regular season while I find us to have way more talented than the Heat.

We had the talent to beat Boston with Ben but our biggest weakness would have been coaching. Stevens would have and has run rings around Brown in the playoffs.

youngcrev · Post #2776 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:11 pm

It's hard to say what would have happened if Ben was healthy. They just match up so much better defensively if he's out there. I have my doubts about them being able to produce enough offense to pull it off, but it certainly would have been a far more competitive series.

mithrandir17 · Post #2777 » by **mithrandir17** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:22 pm

If Ben wasnt injured and by some chance we win against Boston, Brett would still be here.

Bum Adebayo · Post #2778 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:54 pm

76ciology wrote:If Ben was healthy, could we have made it to the finals?

We owned the Celts during the regular season and it doesnt look like we had a tough time matching up with the Heat during the regular season while I find us to have way more talented than the Heat.

-During the regular season, which is very different than playoffs
-You find us to have way more talent, yes this is correct. Too bad though, it is not all about talent, there is a thing called coaching and playing well as a team.

Mik317 · Post #2779 » by **Mik317** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:17 pm

talent isn't the end all be all.

team has to mesh; dudes have to play their role and the system in place has to be tough to guard.

Us, the Clipper, the Jazz and the Bucks....all had more talented teams in terms of names. BUT each got exposed by teams who wanted it more and had everyone buy in. The Bucks got by on Giannis being able to bullrush the rim and their solid but not spectacular shooters hitting shots. Over the course of a 7 game series, you can wall off Giannis and those shooters thus have to be more than solid...can't do that on one game and then have to be ready for a different team. We also are very similar ironically. We have one way to kill you and Boston lived with that because they could sell out on doubles and not give a **** about our "shooters" and we had no way to respond whereas they could go to Brown when we decided to finally defend Tatum...and then Kemba. The Clippers went out sad because Kawhii finally was human and got tired and Wayoff P was scared of his shadow...whereas Denver had the size advantage and when they doubled, Murray was able to start cooking.

That is the difference IMO. Embiid is probably more talented but he needs to diversify his game a lot beyond slow post ups and foul baiting IMO. Jokic is also a fat boi but he is a deadlier shooter and can make teams pay from there and also post up and also work as an offense hub. AD is also capable of doing the same. Whereas Towns for example, is not a big fan of contact it seems (thus the meme of him posting up Cousins lol), so when his shot is off he is easier to deal with. Embiid seems to realize this with his comments of spacing more for Ben but the whole team needs to buy in similarly. You got to be more versatile. To keep it simple, perhaps too much so, you cannot rely on one way of doing things all the time...no matter how good it is. I keep going back to it but the FO took the wrong message from our past failures. They took "oh running and gunning don't work in the playoffs" and thus went all in, and then instead of taking "oh hey maybe having a dude who can get his own shot is worth it" even as we lost to Toronto they went to "Embiid was tired and maybe Greg Monroe wasn't the answer...GO GET BIG AL". Not going to relitigate Running it Back but that team was the blueprint imo...even if the pieces we had in place weren't the best fit. Both Ben and Jo need a shot creator for when **** gets heavy. Both need that knock down shooter. Both need a tweener that is willing to chuck 3s and also guard. Jimmy is a ****. JJ is old and free. Tobias aint it chief but the idea was sound. And yet we pivoted.

76ciology · Post #2780 » by **76ciology** » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:18 pm

Jokic is clutch. He was dirk-esque down the stretch of the G7 of LAC and G2 of LAL series.

Been impressed with the LAL coaching staff the entire season. They switched the Murray-Jokic PnR this game and that threw them off. Once AD is at the perimeter, they have D12 or McGee at the paint who can provide rim protection.

Vogel also had D12 and McGee trying to get Jokic off his rhythm while also did a good job getting Jokic into foul trouble in G1.