Houston readying full-court press for Bosh

[redred9]

I'm still waiting for someone to give examples off free agents being S&T for multiple young prospects and multiple draft picks. You guys seem to be setting your sights on a package that has never happened, or at least not recently. The Raptors just don't have that much leverage if Bosh decides to leave, and certainly not enough to get other teams to add on bloated contracts in this economy. I'm not trying to come off like an ass, but I don't see any examples of free agents getting traded for the packages in this thread, and there are more good options this summer. Miami, OKC and Chi can sign the dude outright and he makes all of them competitors.

Bosh already stated that if he leaves it will be S&T. Basically, he wants his money. I think it would take some kind of ultimatum/clash between the two parties for Bosh to entertain the idea of walking.

[Dr Positivity]

I'm still waiting for someone to give examples off free agents being S&T for multiple young prospects and multiple draft picks. You guys seem to be setting your sights on a package that has never happened, or at least not recently. The Raptors just don't have that much leverage if Bosh decides to leave, and certainly not enough to get other teams to add on bloated contracts in this economy. I'm not trying to come off like an ass, but I don't see any examples of free agents getting traded for the packages in this thread, and there are more good options this summer. Miami, OKC and Chi can sign the dude outright and he makes all of them competitors.

Pretty much. This is more about "Where does Bosh want to play" than "Who can offer a lot for Bosh". I don't know what Houston has to pull in Bosh here. Player talent? They're decent, but compared to Wade and 20 mil of FA room or Rose and Noah? Houston trails. The city itself? It's close to home but I still give Miami and Chicago the edge. Stardom? I think Chicago's the pick over Houston if he wants that.

The one thing Houston has is a top flight GM, but Pat Riley is also a beast. Other than that I don't see why Houston would be any more attractive than Portland and Oklahoma City as a longshot choice behind Miami/Chicago as the frontrunners. The fact that they have lucrative trade assets is irrelevant here

[dagger]

I'm still waiting for someone to give examples off free agents being S&T for multiple young prospects and multiple draft picks. You guys seem to be setting your sights on a package that has never happened, or at least not recently. The Raptors just don't have that much leverage if Bosh decides to leave, and certainly not enough to get other teams to add on bloated contracts in this economy. I'm not trying to come off like an ass, but I don't see any examples of free agents getting traded for the packages in this thread, and there are more good options this summer. Miami, OKC and Chi can sign the dude outright and he makes all of them competitors.

Kenyon Martin to Denver for three draft picks.

Joe Johnson to Phoenix for two draft picks and Boris Diaw

Dude can sign outright and lose $30 million. We know the Dude pretty well. Won't sign for less than the full monty.

[Wo1verine]

BC should tell Bosh if you want 30 million more then it's with us ONLY, Lol..
if BC told that to CB4, I truly believe he would stay.. I just can see anybody turning down 30MM..

[OAKLEY_2]

I'm still waiting for someone to give examples off free agents being S&T for multiple young prospects and multiple draft picks.

Joe Johnson for Boris Diaw and 2 first rounders. Bosh is worth way more now in a sign and trade than Joe Johnson was then. Joe Johnson was a restricted free agent and not a max player. In the west the addition of Bosh to a contending team might mean the balance in the division shifts so there is going to be competition for services. Bosh most certainly will want to see where that all goes. Or he could Tweet that he is staying in Toronto and this board shuts down until July. I could easily see Brooks, Battier, Jeffries, Hill + 1 pick with Battier being bought out to return to Houston. I have this feeling that our 13th pick will end up going somewhere. Sadly.

[michaelc204]

Is it just me, of did he just take 5 steps going into that 3 pointer at the 3:00 mark? Guess they really never call travelling in the NBA

I just re watched it a couple times and he took two steps after his last dribble which started the second the ball touched his hands.

Ya I watched it a few more times and its definitely not a travel. There were two refs both with perfect views and they both didnt call a travel.

Ohh, i didnt know the count of steps started after the player catches the ball. For some reason it still looks like 3 steps to me but whatever lol

[Wo1verine]

yeah, the # 13 pick will be traded for sure, i think no matter what (regardless if Bosh stays or goes).

[Dr Positivity]

Johnson/Diaw/Kmart were all RFAs btw. The teams had to pay up or else they'd have their offer matched. Very similar to the Phil Kessel acquisition for the Leafs.

The last UFA in this "needs the original team to give 6 year/extra 20 mil, or else signing 5 year deal" position was Rashard Lewis who got a TPE and a 2nd. I think Bosh will get a little more because it'd be bad business for BC to S&T that 30 mil rights for nothing, whereas with Shard Seattle was glad to let Orlando hang themselves contract wise. And I get the feeling if Miami wants to dump Beasley/Jones/Cook to free up capspace anyways so they'll be down, if that's the deal

[Jaykoolzboy]

I'm still waiting for someone to give examples off free agents being S&T for multiple young prospects and multiple draft picks. You guys seem to be setting your sights on a package that has never happened, or at least not recently. The Raptors just don't have that much leverage if Bosh decides to leave, and certainly not enough to get other teams to add on bloated contracts in this economy. I'm not trying to come off like an ass, but I don't see any examples of free agents getting traded for the packages in this thread, and there are more good options this summer. Miami, OKC and Chi can sign the dude outright and he makes all of them competitors.

Pretty much. This is more about "Where does Bosh want to play" than "Who can offer a lot for Bosh". I don't know what Houston has to pull in Bosh here. Player talent? They're decent, but compared to Wade and 20 mil of FA room or Rose and Noah? Houston trails. The city itself? It's close to home but I still give Miami and Chicago the edge. Stardom? I think Chicago's the pick over Houston if he wants that.

The one thing Houston has is a top flight GM, but Pat Riley is also a beast. Other than that I don't see why Houston would be any more attractive than Portland and Oklahoma City as a longshot choice behind Miami/Chicago as the frontrunners. The fact that they have lucrative trade assets is irrelevant here

U really wanna know? If Chuck Hayes and Shane Battier can get multiple multimillion dollar contract from the Chinese (2nd biggest economy in the world) companies, think about someone like Bosh? Bosh will never be a so called global figure type of player (and he knows it) anywhere else but in Houston with the presence of Yao Ming

[Indeed]

Houston has no choice but to give us Battier and Jeffries to match the salary, then it would be up to Toronto to ask for a reasonable match. Hill + Houston 2011 1st would make sense to match other bidders. Then, it will up to BC to try and get perhaps Brook, #14, NYC 2012 1st. I think NYC 2012 1st and #14 are reasonable to out bid others, but BC will try to get someone with experience.

And a lot of people think (without reading other arguments?) that Battier might be bought out, but I don't think so, BC will probably need his service, as Toronto needs some leadership and toughness, where Battier is a perfect fit for this.

[kingmalaki]

I'm still waiting for someone to give examples off free agents being S&T for multiple young prospects and multiple draft picks. You guys seem to be setting your sights on a package that has never happened, or at least not recently. The Raptors just don't have that much leverage if Bosh decides to leave, and certainly not enough to get other teams to add on bloated contracts in this economy. I'm not trying to come off like an ass, but I don't see any examples of free agents getting traded for the packages in this thread, and there are more good options this summer. Miami, OKC and Chi can sign the dude outright and he makes all of them competitors.

Kenyon Martin to Denver for three draft picks.

Joe Johnson to Phoenix for two draft picks and Boris Diaw

Dude can sign outright and lose $30 million. We know the Dude pretty well. Won't sign for less than the full monty.

Great example on K-Mart. Was he restricted or unrestricted? Did a lot of teams have cap room to sign him that summer? Also did any young players get exchanged for him?

I already mentioned JJ. The Suns didn't get back multiple young players and multiple picks.

Most of the offers mention multiple young players [b]AND[\b] multiple picks. I don't see a history of a free agent netting that much, and I can't think of another summer that had so many teams with $$$ to spend. So I guess my question is why would Bosh net that kind of return? I can see a deal with multiple picks but not a boatload of picks and young players.

[Indeed]

I'm still waiting for someone to give examples off free agents being S&T for multiple young prospects and multiple draft picks. You guys seem to be setting your sights on a package that has never happened, or at least not recently. The Raptors just don't have that much leverage if Bosh decides to leave, and certainly not enough to get other teams to add on bloated contracts in this economy. I'm not trying to come off like an ass, but I don't see any examples of free agents getting traded for the packages in this thread, and there are more good options this summer. Miami, OKC and Chi can sign the dude outright and he makes all of them competitors.

Kenyon Martin to Denver for three draft picks.

Joe Johnson to Phoenix for two draft picks and Boris Diaw

Dude can sign outright and lose $30 million. We know the Dude pretty well. Won't sign for less than the full monty.

Great example on K-Mart. Was he restricted or unrestricted? Did a lot of teams have cap room to sign him that summer? Also did any young players get exchanged for him?

I already mentioned JJ. The Suns didn't get back multiple young players and multiple picks.

Most of the offers mention multiple young players [b]AND[\b] multiple picks. I don't see a history of a free agent netting that much, and I can't think of another summer that had so many teams with $$$ to spend. So I guess my question is why would Bosh net that kind of return? I can see a deal with multiple picks but not a boatload of picks and young players.

Again, Bosh is NOT going to sign with out getting the extra money. Unless BC plays hardball, Bosh is almost certain that he wants the money. We have discussed this a lot of time, and here I believe here are the reason:
1) He wants to go to a contender, means it is a cap team.
2) He believes he worth the max contract like LeBron, Wade, Melo, JJ and etc. He is not going to tell the world he is a tier below his draft mates.
3) He is interested in the extra money.

To me, money is just a part of it, but I believe he worths the max money (6 years deal), and he is going to get it. No discount to anyone.

[andreafan]

Bottem line folks bryan is going to do what he does irrespective as to our musings, and then he will sell it and we will soak it up like gullible pansys. btw i have a man crush on andrea .

[GhostRaider2007]

Yet another article on Houston's interest in Bosh...though this one is from January 8th of this year but it does give us some scope/timeline on their interest in Bosh.

Here is the article:
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100108-09/houston-rockets-join-chris-bosh-chase

[kingmalaki]

Again, Bosh is NOT going to sign with out getting the extra money. Unless BC plays hardball, Bosh is almost certain that he wants the money. We have discussed this a lot of time, and here I believe here are the reason:
1) He wants to go to a contender, means it is a cap team.
2) He believes he worth the max contract like LeBron, Wade, Melo, JJ and etc. He is not going to tell the world he is a tier below his draft mates.
3) He is interested in the extra money.

To me, money is just a part of it, but I believe he worths the max money (6 years deal), and he is going to get it. No discount to anyone.

That's fine. The other situations involved guys getting their extra $$ as well. I don't see exactly how this situation is different.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

like someone else mentioned the fact that Morey wants Bosh is evidence that Bosh does have great value and is a great player. BC knows, and Houston knows BC knows, that Houston has the tools to work with us, maybe more so than other teams. And Houston knows that BC is the only one who can talk to CB, and BC is already on record offering the max, so there's no need for negotiation between us to take long. It's a sign to BC that's like, "hey, when you talk to CB, you can have realistic ideas of Houston's plans, so if you stop talking Raps, talk Rockets."

Maybe in the talks BC has with CB, some of these things come up and questions get asked of him. Maybe it's not July 1st, but maybe in pre July conversations, he was presented with things that may end having that decision being worked out before the deadline.

Houston is smart and striking at the right time, they're doing it by playing to their advantage, which is that there able to put themselves in BC shoes, and maybe be the best partner for the Raptors. But, they still got to win over Chris Bosh. Maybe there are talks going on. The big question is I think Houston and Raps want to work together, would Chris Bosh like to play there.

S&T's offered to us threw the press help because it helps us nudge Bosh to have to make a decision, so we know if he really wants to be here or not.

[McFurious1]

Trade AB to Dal for Damp. Trade Damp/Evans/Banks/DD or Weems for Iggy/Dalembert. Trade JC for BD. Draft Whiteside/Orton. Re-sign CB and AJ. 10/11: BD/A.I./Hedo/CB/Daly & Jack/Beli/DD or Weems/Amir/ Whiteside or Orton. Now that's how you build a team.

Reignman you can't be serious with that sig. LOL Oh man that made me laugh.

[Dr Positivity]

Trade AB to Dal for Damp. Trade Damp/Evans/Banks/DD or Weems for Iggy/Dalembert. Trade JC for BD. Draft Whiteside/Orton. Re-sign CB and AJ. 10/11: BD/A.I./Hedo/CB/Daly & Jack/Beli/DD or Weems/Amir/ Whiteside or Orton. Now that's how you build a team.

Reignman you can't be serious with that sig. LOL Oh man that made me laugh.

Trading all our young players for a Baron/Iggy/Hedo trio? Looks like John Ferguson Jr. is into Raptors message boards now...

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

You have to think that if we can hear and read these Houston rumors, that Bosh's agent Henry Thomas can as well. I'm sure he'll make note of these rumors, and tell Bosh about them. Bosh can then start thinking about, or envisioning himself as a Houston Rocket, and then make a calculated decision from there.

[andreafan]

Mcfurious amd me will get along fine it seems. We appreciate greatness, we appreciate bargnani. yup reignman must of been pretty loaded proposing that **** but haters will be haters its genetic it appears.