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Turner's PER has been steadily dropping ever since that long west coast road trip. What I saw that was disturbing in last night's game was that even with scrubby ass Wilkins in the game, Evan was the last option on the floor. He also had midget Lowry on him the entire first half but he didn't post him up a single time. The guy is settling for jump shots when he should be taking it to the basket. He's been in the league 3 years now, and a light shouldve gone off in his dome by now.

The guy is playing like a scrub. Sixers didn't draft him to be a distributor. They used the #2 pick on a guy who they thought could be a scorer and what Evan has shown so far in his career is nothing short of disappointing. This guy should not be missing so many midrange jump shots.

I agree with what Skates said all the way through. Turner needs to come to terms with reality about who and what he is as a basketball player in the NBA. He'll never be a 20ppg scorer that can dominate a game. Skates nailed it in every way with his post.
As of right now here are some of Turners numbers (the basic ones)
13.7 ppg
6.6 rebs
4.3 assists
43% field goal shooting.
The only reason why we complain about him is because of his draft status. Number 2 overall pick in a weak draft that featured several big men that are currently having better careers than Turner, and at the time the argument was that we needed a big man more than we needed another guard.
I know when we watch him it seems as though he's so much worse than those numbers would indicate but in my opinion he just needs to really improve that shooting percentage.
He probably wont ever live up to that #2 overall billing but he can and has been a good player for us and I hope we keep him around. Either get a big shooting guard next to him that can score or a small forward that can score.

They need to break the swing man log jam. ET at the 2 with D Wright at the 3 is probably the best combination for Turner and the team, but unfortunately you don't get consistency from Wright at this point...part of which may be the lack of a consistent role. If they can move either JRich or Young you have a much better rotation/numbers which can work. I'm not against moving ET either, if you can get a nice young big man back in return. Bynum will change the landscape of the team greatly, but they still will not be a perfect roster.

freshie2 wrote:They need to break the swing man log jam. ET at the 2 with D Wright at the 3 is probably the best combination for Turner and the team, but unfortunately you don't get consistency from Wright at this point...part of which may be the lack of a consistent role. If they can move either JRich or Young you have a much better rotation/numbers which can work. I'm not against moving ET either, if you can get a nice young big man back in return. Bynum will change the landscape of the team greatly, but they still will not be a perfect roster.

I think Thad Young could be our longterm answer as a starting smallforward he's don't a excellent job on the fast break with the ball in his hands, excellent deflecting passes in the lane. He has the capability to be a shutdown defender and maximize his abilities at the smallforward position. Adding a mobile athletic stretch 4 would be great.

+1 @ freshie

I also believe turner is kind of between positions so u have fit guys around him better. He has to solidify that back up PG spot .I know he doesnt have much to work with but he has to be a consistent difference maker rather he's scoring, facilitating,crashing the boards or being aggressive on defense. If he.s going to be that 3rd or 4th guy thats something he has to do. He has that ability .

This is the type of players turner and the team needs. Dorrell in the starting lineup makes since. Having a pure shooter like jj reddick and an athletic , shotblocking big like larry sanders off the bench would help this team immensely.

If Turner could top out as a legit '3rd' option ala-Iggy. If we have Jrue/Bynum healthy... I would be okay with that. I would have wanted more, but i could live with him as a 3rd fiddle if we don't over pay him. Like someone did mention already though, if ET doesn't bring the ball up, he isn't looked for as a 1st or second option, he's like 4th or 5th, i don't like that. I think he should be 2nd after Jrue until Bynum's back.

I would really like to keep him at the SG position and get a long 3 to go next to him (not Thad lol).

Turner is already a third option at best on this team, even without Bynum, Thad is light years ahead of Turner and they rarely even run plays for Thad.

The problem isn't that there aren't plays drawn up for Turner, when other guys are playing the 2/3 they get plenty of looks, just look at Nick Young, The biggest problem, and it has been clear since year one, is that the guy has not the slightest clue how to play off the ball. Does he cut, dive to the basket, set a pick? Nope, he stands there in the corner. On a real rare occasion he might post up if he has a major mismatch, otherwise he becomes Evan Turner the Statue.

His first year people presumed that the plays were drawn for him to stand there, by now it has become clear that he has little interest in learning an off the ball game, because it is not the game he played at OU. Watch how active Thad is out there on offense when hardly a play is called for him and then look at Turner, unless he ahs the rock in his hands he looks utterly disniterested. Thank goodness he can at least shoot the corner three now, gives him something to do out there.

I'm reluctant to write this because I've always believed that coaches play who they believe help the team win, and so I fear I must be wrong. Evan plays two less minutes per than Jrue, and more than Thad. He must be a Collins favorite. It's possible, I suppose, that Doug is under orders to force feed us a fan favorite and franchise investment. That would make more sense since administrators are supposed to be more technically stupid than coaches. Or, "Ryst" could be right. I've never said anything, or complained, because Evan is a decent player and because, sans Bynum, we only really have Jrue and Thad in the league's upper echelon this year.

But how the #^@% far have we fallen, and how depressing is it, to want Evan Turner as a number two option? For two and a half seasons he has been under the league average for FG, eFG, and TS, percentages. I don't expect Scottie Pippen, but how low can we go? I grew up watching guys like Cunningham, Collins, Walker, Greer, Toney, etal. I cannot even contemplate wanting a guy as second option who currently is 187th in the league by PER, and with the 251st best(?) TS% (per Hollinger).

Shouldn't we shoot for someone who can shoot?

Yeah, if you look through my post history dating back two years, you'll find that I was a big Evan supporter. Probably defended him more times than I can count. Can't do it anymore. There is no obstacle in his way, and he is still an inefficient mess of a player. Just ship his a** out. It's never gonna click for him.

I have been a major supporter of ET. And I still am, but I see his issues more clearly than ever before. He is not a starting PG, but he is good enough to be the point running the 2nd unit. As a starter he should look at how Andre Miller plays the game. Yes Andre is a PG, but he is also a very very smart player who is not very fast, and to my knowledge has never made an all star team, but he has outlasted many a young highly touted young PG's in this league and constantly gets paid. Why? Because he plays within himself and he understand his liabilities and plays to his strengths. ET needs to keep on working on his shot and drive to the basket and not just go up and down but to the other side of the rim where it is harder for opposing defenders to block his shot. He has the handle to drive to the basket he may not have the speed but if he works on his jumper he can hit the step back shot forcing his defender to try and play the drive or the shot. His 3 point shot has improved this season. So with the drive to the other side of the rim, the pull up jumper, running the 2nd unit the 3 point shot and his passing ability. All things he has in his arsenal, this is what he needs to do going
forward.

I know easier said than done...but it can be done.

@ kobblehead
You and a few others had delusional expectations of Turner. I'm a Turner fan too but my expectations were a little more grounded so I'm not as dissapointed. If anything, it's his inconsistency that frustrates me. He has to continue to find his niche, as a all around tool box player and and 2nd ball handler/playmaker.

Personally I am not a huge fan of ET. Every time he has the ball he just seems rushed and in my opinion usually makes decisions that make me cringe. Off the ball he just seems to have no clue what to do and as somewhat stated before just stands in the corner. Without the ball in his hands he seems to disappear from ball games. But I digress.

My question is that if the Sixers were to move him, what would be their options? What type of trade value would he even have AND who would even be interested in ET?

Typeical wrote:@ kobblehead
You and a few others had delusional expectations of Turner. I'm a Turner fan too but my expectations were a little more grounded so I'm not as dissapointed. If anything, it's his inconsistency that frustrates me. He has to continue to find his niche, as a all around tool box player and and 2nd ball handler/playmaker.

This is pretty much where I am with ET. When he's on, he's one of my favorite players in the NBA to watch, but he's been wildly inconsistent, even this year which has been a bit of a breakout season. He has some elite skills (rebounding, ballhandling, passing for a shooting guard), but his lack of elite athleticism/explosion prevents him from being an elite shooting guard/swing player. If he was a knock down shooter, the threat of his shot would open up his dribble drive game a bit more and make him a more valuable contributor to a competing team. But his shot is too inconsistent and may never get "there". He's going to have to keep grinding away on his form and keep his confidence up to become anything more than an average starter in this league. Also, his d has been disappointing this year, to be frank.

Turner needs to keep developing a wider tool box as someone phrased it. He is a crafty player and showed that he can improve his game by adding that corner three and using the other side fo the rim to rpotect his shot at times. Lacking high end run and jump athleticism, he needs to be able to take whatever the defense gives him.

Things that would make him even more versatile offensively:

1. A runner in the lane. Something he can loft over big men before his shot gets blocked. Just the threat of it will pull the shot blocker away from the rim, allowing him to take it all the way at times.

2. Consistent post-up skills. Andre Miller style, whenever he has a mismatch take your man down low. Given his passing skills this would be invaluable.

3. Ball fake. Again, see Miller, Andre. The hesitation dribble is nice, add a ballfake and he will start getting to the line.

On D he will never be the kind of stopper that Iggy was, shorter wingspan, considerably lesser physical gifts and instincts. It all has to be about effort, technique and smarts on this end.

His length and athleticism as a shooting guard with his skill set is fine. Evan Turner is slotted at a smallforward on this team in which is the most lengthy and athletic position to play. Turner needs to be exclusively a 2 guard then we will see his full arsenal at display. He also needs to shoot at a higher volume to warm up. He doesn't take enought shots. He has all the tools to be a elite shooting guard. Doug needs to make the adjustment and get some lengthy defensive smallforwards to pair him and Thad with in the starting lineup.

^ turner can't shoot though. Fine, he reworked his mechanics on his shot and it will take him a ccouple of years for muscle memory to kick in I'll give you that. But there is no reason whatsoever for him to miss so many midrange shots. If he's missing outside of 18 feet, fine, but not 15 ft in. His pullup midrange J should be money.

And he relies on his shtty ass J way too much. HE NEEDS TO TAKE IT TO THE RIM.

Skates wrote:Turner needs to keep developing a wider tool box as someone phrased it. He is a crafty player and showed that he can improve his game by adding that corner three and using the other side fo the rim to rpotect his shot at times. Lacking high end run and jump athleticism, he needs to be able to take whatever the defense gives him.

Things that would make him even more versatile offensively:

1. A runner in the lane. Something he can loft over big men before his shot gets blocked. Just the threat of it will pull the shot blocker away from the rim, allowing him to take it all the way at times.

2. Consistent post-up skills. Andre Miller style, whenever he has a mismatch take your man down low. Given his passing skills this would be invaluable.

3. Ball fake. Again, see Miller, Andre. The hesitation dribble is nice, add a ballfake and he will start getting to the line.

On D he will never be the kind of stopper that Iggy was, shorter wingspan, considerably lesser physical gifts and instincts. It all has to be about effort, technique and smarts on this end.

+1 in total agreement here

I don't have bloated expectations of him. I just want him to be a competent and efficient starter. Right now, he's posting a sub 14 PER. There's no reason to put up with that.

TURNER TIME TO SHOW UR A TRUE NUMBER #3 ON A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM

Turner might watch the way Korver plays sf. He is constantly moving...never stands still...and is difficult to guard. They are both the same height, probably equal in athletic ability but Korver seems to have a great deal more desire to win. Turner might also dribble less and be quicker moving the ball. Korver never stands still.