Knicks are "hoping against hope" to pull off trade for Rondo

[Context]

then explain your post sir...

Where in that post do I say "rondo will become Derrick rose" and if I believed that why would I want to trade for him? You're not making any sense thug...sometimes I think u just like to argue...I'm disappointed in u right now bro....

You compared his situation to Derrick Rose..it's in your post, and you even are looking for a GUARANTEE he wont become Rose.

Why even compare Rondo to a player thats had multiple knee injuries?

U still haven't shown me where I said rondo WILL BECOME ROSE...but go ahead continue... Smh

[Buggin Out]

I think THJR's floor for comparison sake could be Wesley Matthews. That is if he doesn't improve on anything

But, if he improves on his ball handling skills, develops a couple of go to moves, and bulks up to get stronger on defense than he can be a top SG in the league. Maybe similar to Afflalo.

The question do you take a risk on trading Hardaway for Rondo, when right now you know he will be a 15+ PPG guy and possibly develop into something more in the future?

[QueenzAllDay]

why are folks against cashing out on thjr when his value is at his highest?

considering how others have crashed and burned in value (shump, frye, etc) in the past, I would think its OK to sell high if it gets you a star in return in the package

You make a great point and I hear you but I think THJ might be the one that outshines our previous drafts. My gut is telling me simply by him being the son of a great player is the real difference. I can see him improving every off season.

I was sold on Shump too but those injuries really put him away. I don't see it happening with THJ. It might just be the eyes and guy talking.

[Context]

why are folks against cashing out on thjr when his value is at his highest?

considering how others have crashed and burned in value (shump, frye, etc) in the past, I would think its OK to sell high if it gets you a star in return in the package

You make a great point and I hear you but I think THJ might be the one that outshines our previous drafts. My gut is telling me simply by him being the son of a great player is the real difference. I can see him improving every off season.

I was sold on Shump too but those injuries really put him away. I don't see it happening with THJ. It might just be the eyes and guy talking.

THJ reminds me of Glen Rice...

[Thugger HBC]

Where in that post do I say "rondo will become Derrick rose" and if I believed that why would I want to trade for him? You're not making any sense thug...sometimes I think u just like to argue...I'm disappointed in u right now bro....

You compared his situation to Derrick Rose..it's in your post, and you even are looking for a GUARANTEE he wont become Rose.

Why even compare Rondo to a player thats had multiple knee injuries?

U still haven't shown me where I said rondo WILL BECOME ROSE...but go ahead continue... Smh

Why make the comparison then?

[Knicksfan20]

Why not make the comparison? It lowers Rondo's trade value after seeing Rondo and then Kobe come back and injure their knees. I believe Brandon Rush did the same thing.


Also Shumpert had to get another surgery in the offseason.


SO why not compare Rondo to Rose? Rondo very well could re-injure himself again which lowers his value.

[moocow007]

I posted this in the trade thread, but this thread is probably more appropriate...

If the Knicks want Rondo they need to start by stop being silly and thinking that a Stoudemire based package with no picks will do. What they need to do is get a 3rd and possibly 4th team involved where they can move Chandler to to get what Ainge is looking for in a Rondo trade to Boston. I would doubt honestly that a completely inexperienced GM like Mills and a dullard like Dolan has the mental aptitude to accomplish this.

Here's basically what likely is happening in the offices high above Madison Square Garden....

Dolan: "Hey Steve, Melo just called me and told me he wanted a 'Rojohn Rando' on this team...so make it happen."
Mills: "Yes Mr. Dolan....uhh...do you know what team he's on?"
Dolan: "I don't know! I think the Red Sox?"
Mills: "but I thought the Red Sox are a baseball team?"

...awkward silence...

Dolan: "dang it Mills, use the internet and find out! What do I look like?!? An expert in basketball?!?"

...a half hour and several, SEVERAL clicks of the keyboard later...Mills and Dolan huddled over a computer screen...

Dolan: "Celtics!!! I was close!"
Dolan: "that's Danny Ainges team. Get Ainge on the phone and see what you can do. If Melo wants Rando...get him Rando."

...several more agonizing minutes spent finding Ainges number...do... doo...do..do..do...ring...ring...click...

Mills: "Hi...Danny? Steve Mills from the Knicks here."
Ainge: "hi Steve from the Knicks...what can I do for you?"
Mills: "Mr. Dolan told me to call you about a Rajohn Rando. We'd like to trade for him."
Ainge: "I don't know, Steve, I'm familiar with your team quite well and I don't think you have the assets that I'm looking for to make a deal work."
Mills: "I was told to offer Amare Stoudemire...and also take big contracts or whatever from you."
Ainge: "I'm sorry Steve but I really don't want Stat...his contract is huge and uninsured and he's a shell of his former self."
Mills: "Really? I didn't know that."

...several seconds of silence...

Ainge: "I need multiple draft picks along with Hardaway and JTy to begin conversations."
Mills: "can you repeat that Danny, my pencil broke...all I got was Harda something"
Ainge: "multiple draft picks, Tim Hardaway Junior and Jeremy Tyler"
Mills: "...and Jeremy Tyler...got it"
Ainge: "ok, I gotta go Steve, I got Phoenix on the other line..."
Mills: "ok...I gotta see if Mr. Dolan wants to give you our draft picks for this year and next year..."

...more silence other end of the phone...followed by a faint chuckle...

Ainge: "ok Steve, you do that...gotta go..bye...bye.."

...mills calls Dolans office...Dolans secretary Marge picks up the phone...

Mills: "hi Marge...is Mr. Dolan in...I got this deal almost done...all it takes is for Mr. Dolan to agree to send Boston this year and next years draft picks"
Marge: "he's out getting a slushy....but we don't have our draft pick this year...and even if we did you can't trade consecutive 1st round picks"

...more silence...

Mills: "uh...really?"
Marge: "Yeah. Really."
Mills: "uh. Ok. Thanks Marge."
Marge: "good bye Steve."

...Mills stares several more agonizing minutes at the computer...

Mills: "Dang it now! This job is so hard!"

That is not how it went

[Context]

Why not make the comparison? It lowers Rondo's trade value after seeing Rondo and then Kobe come back and injure their knees. I believe Brandon Rush did the same thing.


Also Shumpert had to get another surgery in the offseason.


SO why not compare Rondo to Rose? Rondo very well could re-injure himself again which lowers his value.

Thank u!

That's precisely my point. If rondo never had a knee injury and surgery-his value would be higher. This is completely separate from if he will remain healthy or become like rose...

[newyorker4ever]

then explain your post sir...

Where in that post do I say "rondo will become Derrick rose" and if I believed that why would I want to trade for him? You're not making any sense thug...sometimes I think u just like to argue...I'm disappointed in u right now bro....

You compared his situation to Derrick Rose..it's in your post, and you even are looking for a GUARANTEE he wont become Rose.

Why even compare Rondo to a player thats had multiple knee injuries?

Seems to me that he used Rose as an example but who really cares??

[Thugger HBC]

Where in that post do I say "rondo will become Derrick rose" and if I believed that why would I want to trade for him? You're not making any sense thug...sometimes I think u just like to argue...I'm disappointed in u right now bro....

You compared his situation to Derrick Rose..it's in your post, and you even are looking for a GUARANTEE he wont become Rose.

Why even compare Rondo to a player thats had multiple knee injuries?

Seems to me that he used Rose as an example but who really cares??

irony?

[R-DAWG]

The only way this gets done is by flipping Tyson for assets and then using Amare's contract to take back Green and Wallace (maybe even add Felton and Bass). Then throw in either Shump or THJ.

Example: Tyson to PHX for Okafor, IND's 2014 pick, WAS 2014 pick protected. Pheonix takes the package they got for Gortat, adds another asset, and gets an upgrade in Chandler. I'm debating weather or not the Knicks could also get a Plumlee or one of the Morris twins in the deal.

The follow it up by using Okafor's expiring contract that is paid by insurance to eat a few contracts and take back picks. A 4 team deal that sends Okafor to Philly along with a 1st rd pick from okc, Kendrick Perkins and a 1st rd pick to NY (via okc, they also own dallas pick), Spencer Hawes to OKC. Hawes upgrades OKC this year and moving perkins contract gives them room under the tax to use the full MLE in the offseason. The Knicks would have room to take on another $9.7 million, $11.7 million if Metta World Peace is included in the deal. Another opportunity to take back a contract in exchange for a TPE and pick up an asset or 2 in the process.

The you move to the Rondo deal. The one thing NY can offer that no other team can is the willingness to eat both Gerald Wallace and Jeff Green's contract. Since NY will be over the cap with Melo and Rondo anyway it doesn't matter. And Green would actually fit in nicely as a hybrid 3/4 next to Melo. Wallace is a glue guy who does the little things, something this team lacks. Good locker room guy. The Knicks would send over Amare and save Boston $19.3 million in 2015 cap space. They would also get either THJ or Shump (who could be flipped to a 3rd team for someone like Waiters). Hopefully they will be able to pick up multiple assets for Chandler, like in the above mentioned scenario where they acquire 3-4 picks they can throw one of two into the deal and still have a few assets to package with Bargnani's and Perkins expiring deals in the off sesaon.

[NYSPORTSNUCCA]

The only way this gets done is by flipping Tyson for assets and then using Amare's contract to take back Green and Wallace (maybe even add Felton and Bass). Then throw in either Shump or THJ.

Example: Tyson to PHX for Okafor, IND's 2014 pick, WAS 2014 pick protected. Pheonix takes the package they got for Gortat, adds another asset, and gets an upgrade in Chandler. I'm debating weather or not the Knicks could also get a Plumlee or one of the Morris twins in the deal.

The follow it up by using Okafor's expiring contract that is paid by insurance to eat a few contracts and take back picks. A 4 team deal that sends Okafor to Philly along with a 1st rd pick from okc, Kendrick Perkins and a 1st rd pick to NY (via okc, they also own dallas pick), Spencer Hawes to OKC. Hawes upgrades OKC this year and moving perkins contract gives them room under the tax to use the full MLE in the offseason. The Knicks would have room to take on another $9.7 million, $11.7 million if Metta World Peace is included in the deal. Another opportunity to take back a contract in exchange for a TPE and pick up an asset or 2 in the process.

The you move to the Rondo deal. The one thing NY can offer that no other team can is the willingness to eat both Gerald Wallace and Jeff Green's contract. Since NY will be over the cap with Melo and Rondo anyway it doesn't matter. And Green would actually fit in nicely as a hybrid 3/4 next to Melo. Wallace is a glue guy who does the little things, something this team lacks. Good locker room guy. The Knicks would send over Amare and save Boston $19.3 million in 2015 cap space. They would also get either THJ or Shump (who could be flipped to a 3rd team for someone like Waiters). Hopefully they will be able to pick up multiple assets for Chandler, like in the above mentioned scenario where they acquire 3-4 picks they can throw one of two into the deal and still have a few assets to package with Bargnani's and Perkins expiring deals in the off sesaon.

You talk so purrrrty...,

[Gant]

melo and rondo seem to be good friends, so, they should consider sending melo to boston for all them picks they got.

It's more likely than Rondo going to NY. The Knicks don't have the assets to trade for Rondo.

Rondo could be traded, but only if equal talent comes back. Ainge isn't trading Rondo anywhere for a player of lesser value or for a salary dump. He can trade off other players for that.

[spikeslovechild]

melo and rondo seem to be good friends, so, they should consider sending melo to boston for all them picks they got.

It's more likely than Rondo going to NY. The Knicks don't have the assets to trade for Rondo.

Rondo could be traded, but only if equal talent comes back. Ainge isn't trading Rondo anywhere for a player of lesser value or for a salary dump. He can trade off other players for that.

I don't think equal talent has to come back. If we had a huge expiring to take on Wallace, Bass, and/or Green deals then we might be able to get away with only giving up THJ and a 2018 first rounder. Unfortunately, we don't even have that.

[Sark]

[Gant]

melo and rondo seem to be good friends, so, they should consider sending melo to boston for all them picks they got.

It's more likely than Rondo going to NY. The Knicks don't have the assets to trade for Rondo.

Rondo could be traded, but only if equal talent comes back. Ainge isn't trading Rondo anywhere for a player of lesser value or for a salary dump. He can trade off other players for that.

I don't think equal talent has to come back. If we had a huge expiring to take on Wallace, Bass, and/or Green deals then we might be able to get away with only giving up THJ and a 2018 first rounder. Unfortunately, we don't even have that.

Ainge doesn't do that. At least he hasn't made trades like that before. When he trades talent, he gets a lot back.

It really is a "hoping against hope" situation, involving some far fetched things happening.

[sol537]

NY Trades: Amare, Bargs, Shump, THJr, Murry, 2018 1st Top 5 Protected, $3 Mil
Bos Trades: Rondo, Green, Wallace, Bogans, Faverani

With THJr's break-out rookie season, we actually do have enough to trade for Rondo, especially if we take on their long-term deals. This blows up 2015 and commits to 'Melo 100%. This would be the deal to do before the deadline and simultaneously with a new coaching hire so that new coach can use this season to get this group to gel so they can contend next season and the season after that. You don't just throw away the rest of this season with Woodson at the helm.

Chandler, Melo, Green, Bogans, and Rondo would be your starters. JR, Prigs, and Tyler would be the main three off the bench with KMart thrown in when healthy. Then you try to add more shooters in the off-season.

[NOOB77]

Here is about the best we could do....


OKC In: Chandler
OKC Out: Perkins, Jackson, Jones

Bos In: Amare, THjr, Jackson, Jones, 2018 1st
Bos Out: Rondo, Wallace, Green

NYK In: Rondo, Wallace, Green
NYK Out: Chandler, Amare, THjr, 2018 1st


Knicks Line-up

Rondo, Prigs, Murray
Shump, JR
Green, Wallace
Melo, Bargs
Perkins, Martin, Tyler

[Marty McFly]

melo and rondo seem to be good friends, so, they should consider sending melo to boston for all them picks they got.

It's more likely than Rondo going to NY. The Knicks don't have the assets to trade for Rondo.

Rondo could be traded, but only if equal talent comes back. Ainge isn't trading Rondo anywhere for a player of lesser value or for a salary dump. He can trade off other players for that.

I'm fully aware of that. ainge isn't an idiot. trading melo to boston would be a plausible if our team wasn't owned by a middle aged child. our team's brain trust is on the "your brain on drugs" side of the "this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs" scenario.

[bs_and_cs]

Why not make the comparison? It lowers Rondo's trade value after seeing Rondo and then Kobe come back and injure their knees. I believe Brandon Rush did the same thing.


Also Shumpert had to get another surgery in the offseason.


SO why not compare Rondo to Rose? Rondo very well could re-injure himself again which lowers his value.

And IF he does re-injure himself we can talk about the lower value...but he hasn't so like any other hypothetical it is a pointless discussion.

It's just another way for Knicks fans to talk themselves into the idea that they could actually acquire Rondo.