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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#281 » by Def Swami » Sat May 24, 2014 5:12 pm

Skin wrote:Thanks for the comments guys! If interested, here's a rare video of Exum that I found interesting to get to know him on a personal level. He has a twin sister. heh. They aren't youtube clips so I couldn't embed them. Sorry.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/baske ... It4lm6QJPf

Also, I couldn't help but notice the name Matthew Dellavedova mentioned in that article. The Aussie that the Magic drafted in the 2nd round last year surprising a lot of people. I really wonder if he was the byproduct of our scouting efforts in Australia that attracted us there in the first place to scout Exum.

Exum had a Tupac poster hanging in his dorm room. Sign me up. It's over. I'm done. Sold.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#282 » by SOUL » Sat May 24, 2014 5:59 pm

Oladipo is a twin too. DESTINY
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#283 » by Orlando Prodigy » Sat May 24, 2014 6:34 pm

Threw this together real quick

http://t.co/okPpnPCtQ6
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#284 » by Melvinlocker » Sat May 24, 2014 6:44 pm

Grants Goggles wrote:
B-easy wrote:Anyone else think he looks like Kobe?


In terms of frame, sure. Kobe had elite explosiveness at that age, of course.

I also believe kobe has a 6'11" wingspan and 8'9" reach, versus Exum's 6'9.5" & 8'7", respectively.


Where did you find those Kobe measurements? I've been trying to find some for Kobe, MJ and Drexler for years.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#285 » by Skin » Sat May 24, 2014 7:37 pm

Orlando Prodigy wrote:Threw this together real quick

http://t.co/okPpnPCtQ6

I like it!!!
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#286 » by Grants Goggles » Sat May 24, 2014 8:01 pm

Melvinlocker wrote:
Grants Goggles wrote:
B-easy wrote:Anyone else think he looks like Kobe?


In terms of frame, sure. Kobe had elite explosiveness at that age, of course.

I also believe kobe has a 6'11" wingspan and 8'9" reach, versus Exum's 6'9.5" & 8'7", respectively.


Where did you find those Kobe measurements? I've been trying to find some for Kobe, MJ and Drexler for years.


Eh i just searched for "kobe bryant wingspan", so that data is probably as unreliable as it gets (the other rumoured wingspan for him is 6'8.5"). My apologies.

There's a good chance those measurements were never taken, let alone MJ/Glide's.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#287 » by Orlwillbeback » Sat May 24, 2014 9:35 pm

excellent job skin

I would like to say that I had never seen Giannis play before just watching a few clips of him on youtube and based on that limited experience i knew he was a special player. I think the same applies here with exum.

If a guy is good, you can usually tell and you should trust your eyes and be confident in your judgement and not favor another player who doesnt look as good, but is supposedly more proven or "safer"
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#288 » by Bensational » Sat May 24, 2014 9:39 pm

Zmill, I've got a couple more links for you for the OP - and for anyone wanting to watch full length U19 WCs games.

go to LiveBasketball.tv, sign up (it's free), go to Video On-Demand, then in the navbar on the side select FIBA>World. Then do a search for Australia, and it should bring up two of Exum's games on the first page.

Australia vs Serbia

Australia vs Spain

I've downloaded the games and cut them down to just the plays of Exum, and I'm in the process of uploading at the moment, and will post them once they're done. Unfortunately the quality is atrocious after all the compression and re-compression. it's about First Row quality.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE77XNg9qIw[/youtube]
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#289 » by Bensational » Sat May 24, 2014 10:10 pm

Watching the videos again, I've got to say that Exum's defense is pretty terrible. Australia switch up between a man and a zone, but it's like Exum always plays zone no matter what. He always sagged off his man. When he picked up the point, on every other play he'd get picked off by a screen, but instead of going for a switch or going under the screen, he'd try to go over the screen but he'd give up straight away and let his man go wherever he wanted. He's got a lot to learn on that front, and it's only going to be harder for him in the NBA with faster guards and harder picks set by bigs.

Offensively, he's good. He runs plays like a proper point, content to make the pass for the team play when needed. He moves well off the ball (a few plays where he stood on the weakside and just watched, but for the most part he's often moving well within the offense, creating space and looking to get open).

His handles are amazing. At any given moment, you don't know where he's going to go. Lots of great hesitation moves, stutter steps and crossovers, and he can change direction and turn the corner on a screen at any speed. In transition, teams foul him the moment he gets the ball, because they know if they don't, it's a free bucket. At full speed he can change direction and shift gears at the drop of a hat. Since we can't compare his abilities via his level of talent, I'm going to sit down at some point and measure out how quickly he makes these moves, and try to find a comparison with Smart (I choose him because he's the other top perimeter prospect in the draft) so we've got a reference for the speed at which Exum is playing.

His shot selection isn't ok, but not great. Most of his poor shots came in the dwindling seconds of the shot clock, where he'd shake his defender and pull up for a long two at the top of the key. Otherwise, his 3's were all in the flow of the game (either wide open, or getting space off a screen). When driving or getting into the paint, he's very clever - always looking for space, or contact. He's got great awareness of what's around him, and the handles to keep going and get him into better positioning.

His passes are nice, too. He makes beautiful short passes in the paint, using his length to wrap around players to find an open man for an easy, close range basket. He had a lot of great passes that would've been assists, but his team mates didn't complete. I think he'll surprise people with how many assists he will end up racking up each game in the pros.

His basketball IQ is great. He's very aware of how a defense reacts, and he uses that to his advantage when he draws players in and finds an open man. Even when he's initiated a play from the perimeter and isn't directly involved, he'll move off the ball and get open, whilst communicating with his teammates as to who is around them.

The biggest knock on him that I found was his lack of effort/hustle not only on defense, but generally. There were several plays when his team pushed the ball up on a break, but were stopped and forced to reset, but Exum hadn't bothered to run up the court with them. Im not sure what that's about, but I didn't like it.

Most of all, I don't know how anyone can say he's a good defender at this point. I haven't seen one example of it.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#290 » by Nyce_1 » Sun May 25, 2014 12:48 am

Bensational wrote:Watching the videos again, I've got to say that Exum's defense is pretty terrible. Australia switch up between a man and a zone, but it's like Exum always plays zone no matter what. He always sagged off his man. When he picked up the point, on every other play he'd get picked off by a screen, but instead of going for a switch or going under the screen, he'd try to go over the screen but he'd give up straight away and let his man go wherever he wanted. He's got a lot to learn on that front, and it's only going to be harder for him in the NBA with faster guards and harder picks set by bigs.

Offensively, he's good. He runs plays like a proper point, content to make the pass for the team play when needed. He moves well off the ball (a few plays where he stood on the weakside and just watched, but for the most part he's often moving well within the offense, creating space and looking to get open).

His handles are amazing. At any given moment, you don't know where he's going to go. Lots of great hesitation moves, stutter steps and crossovers, and he can change direction and turn the corner on a screen at any speed. In transition, teams foul him the moment he gets the ball, because they know if they don't, it's a free bucket. At full speed he can change direction and shift gears at the drop of a hat. Since we can't compare his abilities via his level of talent, I'm going to sit down at some point and measure out how quickly he makes these moves, and try to find a comparison with Smart (I choose him because he's the other top perimeter prospect in the draft) so we've got a reference for the speed at which Exum is playing.

His shot selection isn't ok, but not great. Most of his poor shots came in the dwindling seconds of the shot clock, where he'd shake his defender and pull up for a long two at the top of the key. Otherwise, his 3's were all in the flow of the game (either wide open, or getting space off a screen). When driving or getting into the paint, he's very clever - always looking for space, or contact. He's got great awareness of what's around him, and the handles to keep going and get him into better positioning.

His passes are nice, too. He makes beautiful short passes in the paint, using his length to wrap around players to find an open man for an easy, close range basket. He had a lot of great passes that would've been assists, but his team mates didn't complete. I think he'll surprise people with how many assists he will end up racking up each game in the pros.

His basketball IQ is great. He's very aware of how a defense reacts, and he uses that to his advantage when he draws players in and finds an open man. Even when he's initiated a play from the perimeter and isn't directly involved, he'll move off the ball and get open, whilst communicating with his teammates as to who is around them.

The biggest knock on him that I found was his lack of effort/hustle not only on defense, but generally. There were several plays when his team pushed the ball up on a break, but were stopped and forced to reset, but Exum hadn't bothered to run up the court with them. Im not sure what that's about, but I didn't like it.

Most of all, I don't know how anyone can say he's a good defender at this point. I haven't seen one example of it.

Really awesome analysis. Thanks for taking the time to do everything and share your thoughts.

Seeing what you've seen, would you say the hype is warranted? Worth #4 pick? Is his lack of defense just from lack of effort?
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#291 » by OrlChamps2030 » Sun May 25, 2014 1:01 am

Bensational wrote:Zmill, I've got a couple more links for you for the OP - and for anyone wanting to watch full length U19 WCs games.

go to LiveBasketball.tv, sign up (it's free), go to Video On-Demand, then in the navbar on the side select FIBA>World. Then do a search for Australia, and it should bring up two of Exum's games on the first page.

Australia vs Serbia

Australia vs Spain

I've downloaded the games and cut them down to just the plays of Exum, and I'm in the process of uploading at the moment, and will post them once they're done. Unfortunately the quality is atrocious after all the compression and re-compression. it's about First Row quality.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE77XNg9qIw[/youtube]



Sweet. This is what this thread is all about. I didn't make it to drive the hype train but just to get more info/insight for myself and others out there that want to see more of Exum.

I added this vid (let me know when you get the other one, thanks for cutting them down too) to the OP. I also added all 4 parts of Skin's insight to the OP, great job Skin that was some fantastic insight. I thought it was pretty fair too.

Let me know if the OP is okay with you guys.. Tried to make it easy to navigate (especially on phones).. still a while until the draft and we have this much info already :o
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#292 » by KillMonger » Sun May 25, 2014 1:02 am

i've heard of his defensive woes but i would like to think there is potential there. He certainly has the Measurables to bother other point guards.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#293 » by platinuma1 » Sun May 25, 2014 1:34 am

Bensational wrote:Watching the videos again, I've got to say that Exum's defense is pretty terrible. Australia switch up between a man and a zone, but it's like Exum always plays zone no matter what. He always sagged off his man. When he picked up the point, on every other play he'd get picked off by a screen, but instead of going for a switch or going under the screen, he'd try to go over the screen but he'd give up straight away and let his man go wherever he wanted. He's got a lot to learn on that front, and it's only going to be harder for him in the NBA with faster guards and harder picks set by bigs.


The biggest knock on him that I found was his lack of effort/hustle not only on defense, but generally. There were several plays when his team pushed the ball up on a break, but were stopped and forced to reset, but Exum hadn't bothered to run up the court with them. Im not sure what that's about, but I didn't like it.

Most of all, I don't know how anyone can say he's a good defender at this point. I haven't seen one example of it.


platinuma1 wrote:As I'm watching this Spain vs Aus FIBA U19 game

Exum's defense is pretty ugh...yah...

but he is indeed quick on the court


agreed, saw the same thing

the trend is that if a person is terrible at defense, they wont hardly improve as a defender. He's awesome as a offensive player... Brandon Roy and James Harden got by but I pretty sure it won't be as bad as this in the league

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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#294 » by Orlwillbeback » Sun May 25, 2014 1:51 am

no you can definitely improve as a defender especially if you have the tools which he does but you cannot teach some of the things he does on the offensive end, which is what people expect of wiggins.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#295 » by Skin » Sun May 25, 2014 3:20 am

Defense can be taught, but your size, speed and desire will limit you. SVG was good at teaching defense but he could only do so much with Jameer, Redick and Ryno. The reason why you can't be quick to knock Exum for defense is because he has the size and speed to work with. The most attractive part about drafting Exum is knowing he is hasn't even scratched his surface yet. He's big lump of clay that can be molded. That's also the scariest part about drafting Exum. This is where you weight the pros and cons and determine how much comfort you can feel about making the pick.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#296 » by Optimus_Steel » Sun May 25, 2014 4:23 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:no you can definitely improve as a defender especially if you have the tools which he does but you cannot teach some of the things he does on the offensive end, which is what people expect of wiggins.


Thats what I see as well. Exum is a skilled player and I believe those skills transfer, where as Wiggins skills are currently limited.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#297 » by Smooth_E » Sun May 25, 2014 7:06 am

Skin wrote:Defense can be taught, but your size, speed and desire will limit you. SVG was good at teaching defense but he could only do so much with Jameer, Redick and Ryno. The reason why you can't be quick to knock Exum for defense is because he has the size and speed to work with. The most attractive part about drafting Exum is knowing he is hasn't even scratched his surface yet. He's big lump of clay that can be molded. That's also the scariest part about drafting Exum. This is where you weight the pros and cons and determine how much comfort you can feel about making the pick.



Good points and observation. And 1.
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Post#298 » by cedric76 » Sun May 25, 2014 7:10 am

My question is:

Will exum ever be as good in D as Smart?
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Post#299 » by basketballRob » Sun May 25, 2014 8:23 am

I think giving that Parker, Embiid, and Wiggins are the top 3. It will be a tough choice between Gordon and Exum. I expect Gordon to get higher and higher on the mock draft boards similar to the way Oladipo did last year after the NBA combine. Compare Gordon to Blake Griffin. Gordon was a year younger as a freshman than Griffin so if Gordon played 2 more years he may of had the same impact as Griffin in college. Gordon is an inch shorter but still only 18 and possibly still growing and has grown an 1 1/2 in the past year. Gordon has a bigger wingspan than Griffin, the same standing reach, and a better vertical. If we drafted Gordon it would open the door to draft a two or a one with the second pick.
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Re: The Dante Exum Thread 

Post#300 » by Baller2014 » Sun May 25, 2014 9:09 am

Gordon is not even in the running IMO. It's Exum or Smart, with Randle and Vonleh after that.

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