Future Free Agent Thread

[KqWIN]

I honestly hadn’t even considered Gobert and his super max. If he wins DPOY this season, he will automatically qualify and be eligible after next season. Kinda crazy how a player can be super max eligible with no all stars. Great catch Rauxee.

[Luigi]

I don't think Millsap is an upgrade over what we have at the big spots. Very little long term upside with a lots of potential downside as well. I'm not a huge Crowder guy, but I'd take Crowder straight up (regardless of salary) over Millsap next season given their respective ages.

The term is 2 years for Millsap, or 1 year with Crowder. So let's just look at next season.

I think Millsap is a pretty serious upgrade over Crowder, so I'm surprised to hear you say that you'd rather have Crowder, regardless of salary.

Just curious, how much do you think Crowder is going to get on the open market? And how much will Millsap get? And do you think nba executives are generally crazy?

[KqWIN]

I don't think Millsap is an upgrade over what we have at the big spots. Very little long term upside with a lots of potential downside as well. I'm not a huge Crowder guy, but I'd take Crowder straight up (regardless of salary) over Millsap next season given their respective ages.

The term is 2 years for Millsap, or 1 year with Crowder. So let's just look at next season.

I think Millsap is a pretty serious upgrade over Crowder, so I'm surprised to hear you say that you'd rather have Crowder, regardless of salary.

Just curious, how much do you think Crowder is going to get on the open market? And how much will Millsap get? And do you think nba executives are generally crazy?

Fit and age have a lot to do with this. Millsap has a little bit of stretch and shot creation to his game, but not a ton. Crowder isn’t great at what he does, but what he does is what we need. His volume shooting, especially above the break, is very important. Millsap is a great player, but IMO a ton of his value comes on the defensive end which is not as big of a need for us. Especially with the way we play defense. DEN relies on him to make a great rotations and cover for Jokic. No need for that here.

I don’t know what numbers they would get, and it’s tough to compare given the different stages in their careers. At his age, Millsap likely won’t receive long term deals. Crowder is still young enough to get one. The money isn’t the same and isn’t always representative of how “good” a player is.

I will just say this, I’ll take years 29&30 of Crowder over 34&35 of Millsap. Maybe that’s just my own personal bias, I’m quite surprised that Millsap has been as good as he is this season. I thought age related regression was ready to take a huge toll, but to his credit he’s had a great year.

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If we want Millsap then let's just draft Grant Williams. He is Millsap 2.0 but 13yrs younger.

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[Luigi]

I don't think Millsap is an upgrade over what we have at the big spots. Very little long term upside with a lots of potential downside as well. I'm not a huge Crowder guy, but I'd take Crowder straight up (regardless of salary) over Millsap next season given their respective ages.

The term is 2 years for Millsap, or 1 year with Crowder. So let's just look at next season.

I think Millsap is a pretty serious upgrade over Crowder, so I'm surprised to hear you say that you'd rather have Crowder, regardless of salary.

Just curious, how much do you think Crowder is going to get on the open market? And how much will Millsap get? And do you think nba executives are generally crazy?

Fit and age have a lot to do with this. Millsap has a little bit of stretch and shot creation to his game, but not a ton. Crowder isn’t great at what he does, but what he does is what we need. His volume shooting, especially above the break, is very important. Millsap is a great player, but IMO a ton of his value comes on the defensive end which is not as big of a need for us. Especially with the way we play defense. DEN relies on him to make a great rotations and cover for Jokic. No need for that here.

I don’t know what numbers they would get, and it’s tough to compare given the different stages in their careers. At his age, Millsap likely won’t receive long term deals. Crowder is still young enough to get one. The money isn’t the same and isn’t always representative of how “good” a player is.

I will just say this, I’ll take years 29&30 of Crowder over 34&35 of Millsap. Maybe that’s just my own personal bias, I’m quite surprised that Millsap has been as good as he is this season. I thought age related regression was ready to take a huge toll, but to his credit he’s had a great year.

I think Millsap can stretch and create as well as Crowder, who isn't very impressive at either, as you mention. In fact, I think he'd do it better. Plus, Crowder doesn't move his feet like he should. Millsap's defense is important for Jokic, but it can also help for Gobert. Gobert doesn't like getting caught with rotating, either. Keeping Gobert home, and giving him a bigger range to roam, thanks to Millsap's rotations, seems like it should be a top priority for this team.

I bring up the market because I think the two are really far apart as players, and in market. There is a difference between how good a player is and their market value. But the one still tracks the other somewhat. And the difference between $ and players looks small to me in comparison to the difference between Millsap and Crowder as basketball players. I'd take Millsap every time. I could be biased here, but I thought this was an easy one. But I appreciate the other perspective.

[Luigi]

If we want Millsap then let's just draft Grant Williams. He is Millsap 2.0 but 13yrs younger.

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If he is, let's draft him. But not a lot of players get to be as good as Millsap. He should be on our target list.

[KqWIN]

The term is 2 years for Millsap, or 1 year with Crowder. So let's just look at next season.

I think Millsap is a pretty serious upgrade over Crowder, so I'm surprised to hear you say that you'd rather have Crowder, regardless of salary.

Just curious, how much do you think Crowder is going to get on the open market? And how much will Millsap get? And do you think nba executives are generally crazy?

Fit and age have a lot to do with this. Millsap has a little bit of stretch and shot creation to his game, but not a ton. Crowder isn’t great at what he does, but what he does is what we need. His volume shooting, especially above the break, is very important. Millsap is a great player, but IMO a ton of his value comes on the defensive end which is not as big of a need for us. Especially with the way we play defense. DEN relies on him to make a great rotations and cover for Jokic. No need for that here.

I don’t know what numbers they would get, and it’s tough to compare given the different stages in their careers. At his age, Millsap likely won’t receive long term deals. Crowder is still young enough to get one. The money isn’t the same and isn’t always representative of how “good” a player is.

I will just say this, I’ll take years 29&30 of Crowder over 34&35 of Millsap. Maybe that’s just my own personal bias, I’m quite surprised that Millsap has been as good as he is this season. I thought age related regression was ready to take a huge toll, but to his credit he’s had a great year.

I think Millsap can stretch and create as well as Crowder, who isn't very impressive at either, as you mention. In fact, I think he'd do it better. Plus, Crowder doesn't move his feet like he should. Millsap's defense is important for Jokic, but it can also help for Gobert. Gobert doesn't like getting caught with rotating, either. Keeping Gobert home, and giving him a bigger range to roam, thanks to Millsap's rotations, seems like it should be a top priority for this team.

I bring up the market because I think the two are really far apart as players, and in market. There is a difference between how good a player is and their market value. But the one still tracks the other somewhat. And the difference between % and players looks small to me in comparison to the difference between Millsap and Crowder as basketball players. I'd take Millsap every time. I could be biased here, but I thought this was an easy one. But I appreciate the other perspective.

I’ve said that Crowder is an overrated defender for some time now, and Millsap is fantastic. All Defense level potentially. That’s the huge gap I see between the two, but it wouldn’t matter as much here. Gobert minimizes the impact of the 4 while Jokic maximizes it.

Offensively I think Jae would contribute more. Millsap can shoot 3’s, but it’s not the same volume. Believe it or not, Jae has taken more catch and shoot possessions than anyone in the league this season. I think that quick trigger helps us more than we think.

Then you have the age concerns...which is the probably the biggest reason why I lean Jae. Millsap surprised me this year, maybe he has another year or even two in the bag...but 34 and 35 is tough.

I love Millsap, but he’s just not good enough to be in the, “pray that he signs here, figure out the rest later” category. I don’t think Millsap would be replacing a problem area or fixing the major issues with our team. Jae is fine.

[KqWIN]

If we want Millsap then let's just draft Grant Williams. He is Millsap 2.0 but 13yrs younger.

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If he is, let's draft him. But not a lot of players get to be as good as Millsap. He should be on our target list.

Remember when Noah Vonleh was Chris Bosh at worst? Turns out not everyone becomes really good!

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If we want Millsap then let's just draft Grant Williams. He is Millsap 2.0 but 13yrs younger.

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If he is, let's draft him. But not a lot of players get to be as good as Millsap. He should be on our target list.

Remember when Noah Vonleh was Chris Bosh at worst? Turns out not everyone becomes really good!

Wade "George Hill floor" Baldwin anyone?

[KqWIN]

If he is, let's draft him. But not a lot of players get to be as good as Millsap. He should be on our target list.

Remember when Noah Vonleh was Chris Bosh at worst? Turns out not everyone becomes really good!

Wade "George Hill floor" Baldwin anyone?

Who would dare say that? I would never disrespect the GOAT prospect with those sill comparisons. WB with a jump shot at minimum.

[dr0welf]

Our needs as a team comes down to 1 more scorer that can create their own shots to take some of the load off of Spida. This could be at really any position. But PG, stretch 4 seem to be the top positions we discuss as those positions are probably the quickest impact positions for us.

Rubio
Spida
Ingles
Favors
Gobert

Key Bench:
Crowder
Korver
O'neal


I'd like to keep Favors as it is a luxury to have him backing up Gobert. But a nice stretch big to play with both Favors and/or Gobert would be a nice luxury. Niang is not quite that guy.

Ingles coming off the bench would be nice to as it would put most his minutes with Favors so a starting 3 would be huge.

I like Rubio but getting another PG that can shoot and create would be a huge advantage. Would Rubio sign for less to stay on as a back up? He's similar to how I see Favors in the C position. He could be good on a bad team, but not sure if he leads a team deep into the playoffs.

Options can come through Trades or FA's (and Drafts but do we have the time to develop and what's the chances of landing another Spida?)

Conley trade would be a unique trade but what is the cost? and is it worth it? Maybe if he was 25?? But he would be a great fit

Some FA's that would be good: Durant, Kyrie (does he cause problems in locker room?), Butler, Harris, Thompson, Middleton, Russell, Mirotic, Randle, Bogdanovic, Barnes?
Beverly might be a good backup PG

What trades would be a good option.

Either way I think getting a top quality offensive producer that still plays D at any position is the key with a secondary shot creater off the bench.

All of this has been said, but i am still looking at options

[babyjax13]

After listening to Locke's podcast I've been thinking about players that are really efficient (on offense) for their position - because apparently our offense creates better shots than other teams, but we have worse shooters.

Free agents:
Bojan Bogdanovic 18p 4r 2a on 50/43/81 shooting.
Darren Collison 11p 3r 6a on 47/42/83 shooting.
Patrick Beverley 8p 5r 4a on 41/40/78 shooting.
David Nwaba 7p 3r 1a on 49/34/69 shooting.
Daniel Theis 6p 4r 1a on 55/41/74 shooting.

I think these players are all fairly realistic for us to get. Trade targets that stand out are Mike Conley, Danillo Gallinari, and Kelly Olynyk.

[babyjax13]

Also, FWIW, if Philly doesn't want to keep Jimmy Butler I think he'd be a great fit for us.

[dr0welf]

Also, FWIW, if Philly doesn't want to keep Jimmy Butler I think he'd be a great fit for us.

What's his locker room presence like? I'd hate to play in a great player that destroys the locker room. On the court he would definitely be awesome

[babyjax13]

Also, FWIW, if Philly doesn't want to keep Jimmy Butler I think he'd be a great fit for us.

What's his locker room presence like? I'd hate to play in a great player that destroys the locker room. On the court he would definitely be awesome

IDK I watch his youtube channel sometimes. Obviously, that's a selective view, but I'd be fine hanging out with him, lol. I think his problems have been with teammates who don't try - Philly doesn't seem to have any issues with him in the locker room, it seems to be entirely that they don't want to have four players with max contracts on the team (Simmons/Butler/Harris/Embiid).

[dr0welf]

Also, FWIW, if Philly doesn't want to keep Jimmy Butler I think he'd be a great fit for us.

What's his locker room presence like? I'd hate to play in a great player that destroys the locker room. On the court he would definitely be awesome

IDK I watch his youtube channel sometimes. Obviously, that's a selective view, but I'd be fine hanging out with him, lol. I think his problems have been with teammates who don't try - Philly doesn't seem to have any issues with him in the locker room, it seems to be entirely that they don't want to have four players with max contracts on the team (Simmons/Butler/Harris/Embiid).

Fair enough, and I don't remember their being a big locker room issue in Chicago especially at the start of his career.

[sunevisions]

Mirotic is my 1st target~~

is it enough 80M 4 yrs??

And I have no idea which PG is best partner with DM~~

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Butler has managed to alienate every single lockerroom he's been in. At some point it has to be on him, right? I mean... i get that he's more competitive than most players but come on... this is getting ridiculous.

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If we want Millsap then let's just draft Grant Williams. He is Millsap 2.0 but 13yrs younger.

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If he is, let's draft him. But not a lot of players get to be as good as Millsap. He should be on our target list.

Remember when Noah Vonleh was Chris Bosh at worst? Turns out not everyone becomes really good!

Speaking of Vonleh he would be a nice fit. He made a lot of progress this year with his 3pt shooting.

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[dr0welf]

Obviously Kevin Durant would be the best player we could bring in, but the likelihood of him coming is 1 in a million. Thompson would be good as well but similar odds. Harris might be a solid option for us but I might lean more toward Bojan Bogdanovic. But Harris or Mirotic would be a good big shooter for us to look at.

PG wise, I'm just not sure on FA wise. Many are restricted and will get matched by the team they are currently playing for. Kemba could be a good option, offensively he's more consistent the Rubio. But does he bring that much more to the game. I feel Rubio is a better defender. If we get Kemba a Beverly type backup would be awesome.
Russell is good but with his restricted status not sure we go after him. Same with Malcolm Brogdon.

If we trade we lose some quality piece to get a quality player. So would we be able to get Holiday or Conley and what is the cost?

Obvious solution: Let's just sign Durant and stop worrying about it