Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler

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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler 

Post#281 » by Young gun 6 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:25 am

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Grits n Gravy wrote:I think it's destined to come down to Philly and Boston in the ECF(what a treat the 2nd round will be in east)

Boston is gonna play Harris and Reddick tight and sag way off Simmons, Butler and Emblid and dare them to beat them from outside(much the way they defended Simmons last year in playoffs).

I still like Boston to prevail in the east.


Butler is a 38% 3pt shooter

When you have 3 guys > 37% shooting from 3 it’s quite hard to just guard them tight and dare 2 other guys to beat you especially considering the matchup for Embiid is an old Horford who has been battling now (not like his 2018 season) and is averaging nearly 28 points per game.

So 3 very good 3 pt shooters, arguably the best distributor/passer in the league in Simmons and an absolute monster anywhere within 16 feet who will get nearly everyone of your defenders in foul trouble if you allow him to beat you down in the paint, who averages 27 points per game.

It’s good in theory to think they’ll be able to do that but there’s so many weapons there on both sides of the court and 2-3 guys who are above average in every area of the court (outside, inside, defense) and the benches mean even less in playoffs, it’s going to be a huge ask for Boston.

The only hope I think they have is chemistry issues for Philly or an injury.

True - but the numbers on Butler are a little misleading, he's incredibly inconsistent.
December - 31% from 3 (3.5 attempts per game)
January - 29.6% from 3 (2.7 attempts per game)

He's just not a consistent shooter so you don't know what you are going to get come playoffs or what you might get over the course of a series(good or bad)



Fair point about him being streaky. However, it is still quite a gamble to have to bet on a 37% 3pt shooter having a bad night because if you’re wrong he likely goes 40%+ if it’s one of the good nights.

Agreed he and Simmons are the 2 to leave alone though. I don’t think they can possibly defend Redick and Harris hard though and gamble on Embiid shooting from deep. If they are playing hard on the perimeter on those two guys daring others to shoot, Embiid will just destroy them inside with the perimeter defenders focused on playing Redick and Harris right.

Harris also has strong attributes inside if they are playing him tight on the perimeter where he can get to the rim strongly as can Simmons (even when they are daring him to shoot from deep) because they are just too tall and strong for their counter parts on defense.

Smart would destroy Redick but he would likely have to focus all of his attention on the biggest threat that he could actually guard which would be Butler.

Harris, Embiid and Simmons are all too big and strong for him.

Horford goes to Embiid who he has a good record against but is getting on in age now and looks a completely different player this season. Playoffs might rejuvenate him to lock down Embiid though.

That leaves Tatum for Harris which is a good matchup and would be hard fought.

Kyrie then goes to Redick who he can guard quite well with his footwork.

Simmons is left to face Morris who he would be too good for inside but Morris can sag and put all his defensive attitude into stopping drives and post play from Simmons.


It really will be a great matchup. I think Philly have too many assets and have the better offense and defense but chemistry, form and coaching all play important roles too which evens up the matchup.
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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler 

Post#282 » by basketballRob » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:26 am

TheNewEra wrote:76ers are winning the East they smashed the depth with this deal. Get Fultz to play and it’s go time
The Fultz for Terrence Ross could still happen.

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Post#283 » by BillessuR6 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:26 am

A bad GM would pay max money to Harris in the summer and Clippers would be in mediocricy for the next 5 years...

Great work by West and this is how you build a contender, IMO. Of course, nothing is given, no idea if they will get big names in the off-season but at least they will not be stuck in the middle of nowhere.

Also a good trade for the Sixers but it is really short-sighted. They went all in. The problem I see is if they do not win it all this year (which is unlikely) they will probably lose Butler in the summer and they are left without any assets. They blew everything Hinkie gathered in no time...
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Post#284 » by Kabookalu » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:29 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Winsome Gerbil wrote:While I appreciate the Sixers aggressiveness, it's kind of a sad statement on the league when a team with a winning record in position to make the playoffs just chucks it all away and intentionally blows it up to prevent that undesirable outcome.


How is it sad? They are clearly doing this to amass talent and hurt the Celtics chances at getting a player they also want.


The Celtics offer will now just be the Kings pick which could be 15-18th. Jerry West is just brilliant and his moves should be trusted.


It's been mentioned plenty of times already how this hurts the Celtics, but I forgot that they don't get the Clippers pick if they don't make the playoffs. Not only that, it gives the Kings a good shot of making the playoffs now that the Clippers are basically punting the season, and Boston has Sacramento's pick.

Jerry West isn't just hurting Boston's chances by making his team's case stronger, he's literally hurting their assets :o
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Post#285 » by sixers4real » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:29 am

A. Clippers knew they were not going to sign HArris this offseason.
B. Sixers knew they won’t have enough money to sign him.

Great move for both sides.
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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler 

Post#286 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:29 am

thebirdman wrote:A bad GM would pay max money to Harris in the summer and Clippers would be in mediocricy for the next 5 years...

Great work by West and this is how you build a contender, IMO. Of course, nothing is given, no idea if they will get big names in the off-season but at least they will not be stuck in the middle of nowhere.

Also a good trade for the Sixers but it is really short-sighted. They went all in. The problem I see is if they do not win it all this year (which is unlikely) they will probably lose Butler in the summer and they are left without any assets. They blew everything Hinkie gathered in no time...



If Butler leaves they'll have $38 million open to go after another player, this trade was done as insurance in case Butler leaves. I'd guess they would go after Kemba Walker hard if they lose Butler.
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Post#287 » by TheNewEra » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:31 am

Wait Woj is saying something about second rounders . Did the clippers not get first round picks?
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Post#288 » by sixers4real » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:34 am

thebirdman wrote:A bad GM would pay max money to Harris in the summer and Clippers would be in mediocricy for the next 5 years...

Great work by West and this is how you build a contender, IMO. Of course, nothing is given, no idea if they will get big names in the off-season but at least they will not be stuck in the middle of nowhere.

Also a good trade for the Sixers but it is really short-sighted. They went all in. The problem I see is if they do not win it all this year (which is unlikely) they will probably lose Butler in the summer and they are left without any assets. They blew everything Hinkie gathered in no time...

Why should we loose Butler this summer? The goal is to keep all of Embiid, Harris, Butler, Redick, SImmons. Our bench stars with Smith, Bolden, Fultz, 4 draft picks in the upcoming draft and some ring chasers.
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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers 

Post#289 » by Anti Chalmers » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:41 am

BigCuz wrote:Isn’t Tobias a free agent soon? :lol: what cap space could they be clearing? What a dumb move IMO

PHILLY with the steal

It’s not dumb to get two first rd picks for a guy you gonna let walk...
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Post#290 » by PlatinumState » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:45 am

Giving either Butler or Harris the max this summer would be a mistake.
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Post#291 » by Tomjas » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:46 am

Grits n Gravy wrote:I think it's destined to come down to Philly and Boston in the ECF(what a treat the 2nd round will be in east)

Boston is gonna play Harris and Reddick tight and sag way off Simmons, Butler and Emblid and dare them to beat them from outside(much the way they defended Simmons last year in playoffs).

I still like Boston to prevail in the east.


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Barring injury & massive Boston move via trade or buyout, they will have underachieved if they don’t beat the Celtics
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Post#292 » by sixers4real » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:48 am

PlatinumState wrote:Giving either Butler or Harris the max this summer would be a mistake.

I Think the goal is to keep them both with whatever it takes. And resign Simmons in 2020.
If the Sixers win at least one title during that 5-year span, I all pays off. You need to risk to win championships.
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Post#293 » by grindtime22 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:50 am

TheNewEra wrote:Wait Woj is saying something about second rounders . Did the clippers not get first round picks?


They got both.... 2020 Sixers 1st rounder. It is lottery protected for 3 years, then would turn into 2 2nds if not converted. Nothing to worry about. The Sixers are not headed to the lottery anytime soon.

So you got

2020 76ers 1st
2021 Heat 1st (unprotected)
2021 Pistons 2nd
2023 Pistons 2nd
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Post#294 » by C3H6N6O6 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:55 am

sixers4real wrote:
PlatinumState wrote:Giving either Butler or Harris the max this summer would be a mistake.

I Think the goal is to keep them both with whatever it takes. And resign Simmons in 2020.
If the Sixers win at least one title during that 5-year span, I all pays off. You need to risk to win championships.

But this forum told me otherwise. They told me to always look for the future, never try to risk anything to win now.
Seriously though, Simmons still needs to learn to shoot a little. Current league defenses love playing against teams with PGs who can't shoot.
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Post#295 » by queridiculo » Wed Feb 6, 2019 10:58 am

PlatinumState wrote:Giving either Butler or Harris the max this summer would be a mistake.


A big four of Embiid, Simmons, Harris and Butler has the potential to be really really good, and who knows what happens with Fultz.

Worth keeping in mind, if Butler opts out and the Sixers decide not to go after him, they still have somewhere around $34 million to fill his vacancy.
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Post#296 » by sixers4real » Wed Feb 6, 2019 11:00 am

C3H6N6O6 wrote:
sixers4real wrote:
PlatinumState wrote:Giving either Butler or Harris the max this summer would be a mistake.

I Think the goal is to keep them both with whatever it takes. And resign Simmons in 2020.
If the Sixers win at least one title during that 5-year span, I all pays off. You need to risk to win championships.

But this forum told me otherwise. They told me to always look for the future, never try to risk anything to win now.
Seriously though, Simmons still needs to learn to shoot a little. Current league defenses love playing against teams with PGs who can't shoot.

At least 5 of the last 7 titles have been won because of fire power. 2 times Heat with LeBron Wade Bosh. 2 times with Durant Curry Klay and Green. LeBron Irving Love the other one.
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Post#297 » by Wilfried » Wed Feb 6, 2019 11:01 am

C3H6N6O6 wrote:
sixers4real wrote:
PlatinumState wrote:Giving either Butler or Harris the max this summer would be a mistake.

I Think the goal is to keep them both with whatever it takes. And resign Simmons in 2020.
If the Sixers win at least one title during that 5-year span, I all pays off. You need to risk to win championships.

But this forum told me otherwise. They told me to always look for the future, never try to risk anything to win now.
Seriously though, Simmons still needs to learn to shoot a little. Current league defenses love playing against teams with PGs who can't shoot.


But now Sixers got another sharpshooter to put next to him.
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Post#298 » by TheDavinciCHODE » Wed Feb 6, 2019 11:02 am

DoubleLintendre wrote:At first don't like it for Clips (Tobias fan). Now it looks less than ideal for Philly who is burning through all of their assets. Depth was as big of a problem as acquiring another top talent-- another guard could've helped.

Clippers get their cap, picks (potentially top 5-10), and also have a ton of role players/depth. Philly's long term potential is an unknown if the new Big 4 doesn't work as planned. It's a no gamble versus definite gamble for the teams involved.

Winner: Clippers


I think this is a prime example of our tendencies to value future over the basketball that's being played on the court right now.

For example, you're saying that the draft picks that the Clippers will get in a few years that may or may not become rotation players and the cap space that they may or may not use to sign free agents is better than a team making a move that will most likely propel them to the NBA finals. The Clippers have made a good move no doubt, and are now set up to build a good team moving forward. But the Sixers are probably going to accomplish this year what the Clippers hope to accomplish in 3 to 4 years using picks and cap space created from this trade.

How does LAC not gamble with this deal? They made their team worse in the short run in the hopes of getting free agents or draft picks that will help them get better in the future....there's nothing guaranteed for either side for sure, but the 76ers improved their team with this move and have probably become the favorites to make the NBA finals.

We are all becoming to obsessed with the future and forgetting the games being played in my opinion.
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Post#299 » by C3H6N6O6 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 11:05 am

Wilfried wrote:
C3H6N6O6 wrote:
sixers4real wrote:I Think the goal is to keep them both with whatever it takes. And resign Simmons in 2020.
If the Sixers win at least one title during that 5-year span, I all pays off. You need to risk to win championships.

But this forum told me otherwise. They told me to always look for the future, never try to risk anything to win now.
Seriously though, Simmons still needs to learn to shoot a little. Current league defenses love playing against teams with PGs who can't shoot.


But now Sixers got another sharpshooter to put next to him.

they'd have to pay that sharpshoot $25+ million per year in the offseason. butler will look for $30+ million per year contract somewhere.
LeBron always could shoot a lot better than Simmons but he still wonked on his shooting even when his team had shooters.
If Simmons gets even as good as rookie LeBron as a shooter(who wasn't a good shooter), Sixers would kill this league just with good role players surrounding Simmons and Embiid. No need for a 3rd star.
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Post#300 » by TheNewEra » Wed Feb 6, 2019 11:07 am

grindtime22 wrote:
TheNewEra wrote:Wait Woj is saying something about second rounders . Did the clippers not get first round picks?


They got both.... 2020 Sixers 1st rounder. It is lottery protected for 3 years, then would turn into 2 2nds if not converted. Nothing to worry about. The Sixers are not headed to the lottery anytime soon.

So you got

2020 76ers 1st
2021 Heat 1st (unprotected)
2021 Pistons 2nd
2023 Pistons 2nd


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