Frank Thread 3: FIBA Frank Aftermath

[robillionaire]

What exactly is the upside to NOT picking up Frank’s option?? Please don’t overthink this Pills.

6.1m in extra cap space is about it

[BLACKFEET 2010]

What exactly is the upside to NOT picking up Frank’s option?? Please don’t overthink this Pills.

6.1m in extra cap space is about it

.....soooo...in theory, we’d miss out on a Wayne Ellington type player?

This would be imo the silliest decision of the Pills regime. Rookie scale, 21, improving...6’7” pg/sf....

Now we don’t know if Frank’s camp wants him elsewhere or whatever may be going on behind the scenes but the ‘option’ of having dude under contract on the cheap for another season is such a no brainer.

I wonder without a stretched Noah on the ledger would this even be up for debate (if it really is) among the Knick hierarchy.

I’m not as high on dude as the vast majority here but there’s no way you just let the him walk out the door.

[aq_ua]

What exactly is the upside to NOT picking up Frank’s option?? Please don’t overthink this Pills.

6.1m in extra cap space is about it

.....soooo...in theory, we’d miss out on a Wayne Ellington type player?

This would be imo the silliest decision of the Pills regime. Rookie scale, 21, improving...6’7” pg/sf....

Now we don’t know if Frank’s camp wants him elsewhere or whatever may be going on behind the scenes but the ‘option’ of having dude under contract on the cheap for another season is such a no brainer.

I wonder without a stretched Noah on the ledger would this even be up for debate (if it really is) among the Knick hierarchy.

I’m not as high on dude as the vast majority here but there’s no way you just let the him walk out the door.

There are various ways the cap space can play out - whether it be the difference between having a max slot and not, to being able to sign a free agent outright vs. a sign and trade, to being able to absorb an extra bad contract in order to acquire a good player. It should really come down to whether Frank's production and potential is worth $6.2mm in this NBA. $6.2mm has become low for an average player, and high for a below average player.

- PJ Tucker will make $8.0mm
- Jabari Parker will make $6.5mm
- Nemanja Bjelica will make $7.2mm
- Doug McDermott will make $$7.3mm
- Cristiano Felicio will make $7.5mm
- Ed Davis will make $5.0mm
- Darius Miller will make $7.0mm
- Seth Curry will make $7.8mm
- Avery Bradley will make $5.0mm
- DeMarre Carroll will make $6.7mm

Which is to say, these are all 7th or 8th men types, which is a little more than what Frank is right now, but $6.2mm isn't off market.

[NYKAL]

If frank can shoot, he fits with anyone

If frank could and/or willing to shoot the Knicks front office wouldn't have been trying to trade him on draft day nor would they have been adding other PG's to the team like they were disciples of David Kahn. Sometimes that hardest thing is to teach a sheep how to be a wolf. Frank's career with the Knicks have been defined by him looking more sheep than wolf.

Ideal world you're right. But in an ideal world, Trier would still be potent offensively but not ISO ZO and Smith Jr would be a stronger defender than he is and both, therefore, would also fit with anyone. In an ideal world, I'd look like a young Brad Pitt and be dating a young Angelina Jolie.

Ight lol, but I think there’s a better chance of frank becoming a respectable shooter than all those other things happening

lol, I have to disagree with you Frank becoming a respectable shooter before Trier stops being Iso Zoe. He has been working on his Catch and Shoot game all off season. Considering he was the best %shooter of ALL our guards, HE has a better chance of evolving his game to fit than Smokes does.

[MadGrinch]

If frank could and/or willing to shoot the Knicks front office wouldn't have been trying to trade him on draft day nor would they have been adding other PG's to the team like they were disciples of David Kahn. Sometimes that hardest thing is to teach a sheep how to be a wolf. Frank's career with the Knicks have been defined by him looking more sheep than wolf.

Ideal world you're right. But in an ideal world, Trier would still be potent offensively but not ISO ZO and Smith Jr would be a stronger defender than he is and both, therefore, would also fit with anyone. In an ideal world, I'd look like a young Brad Pitt and be dating a young Angelina Jolie.

Ight lol, but I think there’s a better chance of frank becoming a respectable shooter than all those other things happening

lol, I have to disagree with you Frank becoming a respectable shooter before Trier stops being Iso Zoe. He has been working on his Catch and Shoot game all off season. Considering he was the best %shooter of ALL our guards, HE has a better chance of evolving his game to fit than Smokes does.

Trier's problem wasn't making shots ,it was moving without the ball to be open to catch and shoot , its something he doesn't do

frank takes shots he just doesn't make enough of them, repetition and time should solve this .

trier's issue is changing the way allonzo plays to some degree...his issue is the harder one to fix...because most players with his issue don't fix it.

[stuporman]

If they don't pick up Frank's option you know it's because he's a Phil guy and not because they think he's not worth the time to develop. It's stupid to give up on him so soon, that would be a real mistake.

[HarthorneWingo]

If they don't pick up Frank's option you know it's because he's a Phil guy and not because they think he's not worth the time to develop. It's stupid to give up on him so soon, that would be a real mistake.

I would hope that our FO would not be so myopic. Also, Mills was here for that draft so he has some investment in seeing him succeed here.

[Tornelyus]

If they don't pick up Frank's option you know it's because he's a Phil guy and not because they think he's not worth the time to develop. It's stupid to give up on him so soon, that would be a real mistake.

I would hope that our FO would not be so myopic. Also, Mills was here for that draft so he has some investment in seeing him succeed here.

Even if they gave up on him, still smarter decision is to pick up the option and then look for a trade. Without option we will lose him for nothing. With our cap, 6.2M will not change anything (provided we will not take team options and pay 1Mil each).

[Kampuchea]

If he doesn’t show improvement after a whole month I don’t care if we pick up the option or not anyway.

[GONYK]

If they don't pick up Frank's option you know it's because he's a Phil guy and not because they think he's not worth the time to develop. It's stupid to give up on him so soon, that would be a real mistake.

I would hope that our FO would not be so myopic. Also, Mills was here for that draft so he has some investment in seeing him succeed here.

If some reports are to be believed, Mills is the reason that Frank is still here

[stuporman]

If they don't pick up Frank's option you know it's because he's a Phil guy and not because they think he's not worth the time to develop. It's stupid to give up on him so soon, that would be a real mistake.

I would hope that our FO would not be so myopic. Also, Mills was here for that draft so he has some investment in seeing him succeed here.

If some reports are to be believed, Mills is the reason that Frank is still here

Well, they've been doing everything in their power to place obstacles in his way by bringing in guard after guard but I guess time will tell.

[Kampuchea]

I would hope that our FO would not be so myopic. Also, Mills was here for that draft so he has some investment in seeing him succeed here.

If some reports are to be believed, Mills is the reason that Frank is still here

Well, they've been doing everything in their power to place obstacles in his way by bringing in guard after guard but I guess time will tell.

We just keep bringing in these star guards as obstacles. You can't expect Frank to compete with that level of talent.

SMFH, Perry and Mills keep bringing in these backcourt beasts because they hate Phil Jackson and Frank.

[Thugger HBC]

I would hope that our FO would not be so myopic. Also, Mills was here for that draft so he has some investment in seeing him succeed here.

If some reports are to be believed, Mills is the reason that Frank is still here

Well, they've been doing everything in their power to place obstacles in his way by bringing in guard after guard but I guess time will tell.

Frank's obstacle is Frank himself. Pretty much all of the guards brought in since Frank has been drafted should have been his backup at best.

[Zenzibar]

If Frank is ready to beat these guys out, and earn that contract, then let this camp decide it.

Noone is going to give up their desire to start, so Frank has to outplay all of them, plain and simple.
Me for one, believes he's made that jump.

Fk, he was a baby coming out, now he's growing a man's game. Btw, to play with these vets, you'll have to be crafty, smart with a big shot (think younger Chauncey Billups). Not that going nut sht and no big shot.

The word out of camp should be that Frank is shutting guards down (ala Kemba) whilst meshing best with the young veterans.
Punto.

[god shammgod]

If some reports are to be believed, Mills is the reason that Frank is still here

Well, they've been doing everything in their power to place obstacles in his way by bringing in guard after guard but I guess time will tell.

We just keep bringing in these star guards as obstacles. You can't expect Frank to compete with that level of talent.

SMFH, Perry and Mills keep bringing in these backcourt beasts because they hate Phil Jackson and Frank.

i always feel like you're playing to a limited audience but i want you to know, you are appreciated.

[stuporman]

If some reports are to be believed, Mills is the reason that Frank is still here

Well, they've been doing everything in their power to place obstacles in his way by bringing in guard after guard but I guess time will tell.

Frank's obstacle is Frank himself. Pretty much all of the guards brought in since Frank has been drafted should have been his backup at best.

Oh that's right.... an 18 year old kid learning a new league playing against the best and most athletic players in the world while having to grow accustomed to a new country shouldn't need a season or two to develop or anything..... since Doncic did it that's proof everyone can.

My mistake.... nevermind.

[Kampuchea]

Well, they've been doing everything in their power to place obstacles in his way by bringing in guard after guard but I guess time will tell.

Frank's obstacle is Frank himself. Pretty much all of the guards brought in since Frank has been drafted should have been his backup at best.

Oh that's right.... an 18 year old kid learning a new league playing against the best and most athletic players in the world while having to grow accustomed to a new country shouldn't need a season or two to develop or anything..... since Doncic did it that's proof everyone can.

My mistake.... nevermind.

He’s got you there Thugger, out here claiming Doncic is a barometer for Frank. Not sure that’s a reasonable comparison, to a Rookie of the year.

[Thugger HBC]

Well, they've been doing everything in their power to place obstacles in his way by bringing in guard after guard but I guess time will tell.

Frank's obstacle is Frank himself. Pretty much all of the guards brought in since Frank has been drafted should have been his backup at best.

Oh that's right.... an 18 year old kid learning a new league playing against the best and most athletic players in the world while having to grow accustomed to a new country shouldn't need a season or two to develop or anything..... since Doncic did it that's proof everyone can.

My mistake.... nevermind.

I hope you aren't serious at this point. What guards were really an obstacle? Some of the cats playing in front of him are out of the league, and probably shouldn't have been in the league at that time.

[knicksNOTslick]

Frank's obstacle is Frank himself. Pretty much all of the guards brought in since Frank has been drafted should have been his backup at best.

Oh that's right.... an 18 year old kid learning a new league playing against the best and most athletic players in the world while having to grow accustomed to a new country shouldn't need a season or two to develop or anything..... since Doncic did it that's proof everyone can.

My mistake.... nevermind.

I hope you aren't serious at this point. What guards were really an obstacle? Some of the cats playing in front of him are out of the league, and probably shouldn't have been in the league at that time.

But that's the thing, Mudiay had no business starting over Frank. He wasn't helping the team at all. Last year, Fiz didn't play the players that deserved it. Mudiay had no future here and shouldn't have been taking anyone's minutes. The only reason why he played is because Fiz likes his style of play as a PG more and Frank doesn't fit that.

[robillionaire]

If I was forced to bet I'd predict they aren't picking up his 4th year option